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DaWolfey
Oct 25, 2003

College Slice

shrike82 posted:

I'm kinda scratching my head at Continuum. Without multitasking or x86 support, what's the use case?

The magical futuristic utopia where all business applications - accounts, lob, crm, cms, reporting, document signing, all the weird bespoke poo poo that was written in access, excel macros, vba embedded in word 2003 or vb6 that nobody dare touch but is critically important - is a neatly written web service.

A world where you would have that, and not be using ipads with a bespoke app already. A world where you would say "Let us invest in developing apps for this sure-to-be around-forever platform"

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Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

shrike82 posted:

I'm kinda scratching my head at Continuum. Without multitasking or x86 support, what's the use case?

It can't replace a laptop or workstation for me, but instead of a netbook/chromebook for light work on the go I think it is a pretty solid proposition.

I think the enterprise play for HP is pretty clear also: Workstation at work, and give the employees a phone, a continuum "laptop" and dock, and expect them to be able to email, access the intraweb over vpn, etc, pretty seamlessly without allowing any uncontrolled devices onto the corporate network.

Really, the enterprise play seems a lot more solid than the Samsung/HTC lets-make-another-android-smartphone-except-with-a-less-popular-OS thing. Hopefully Microsoft will improve continuum (windowed apps!), but they are clearly ahead in an area that might just work out.

shrike82
Jun 11, 2005

Enterprise?

Even for the lightest use-case i.e., Excel/Word usage, Continuum doesn't really work given there's no macro/VBA support.

And as a thin client for RDP, is there really a market segment that's not better catered to by a laptop + phone combo?

EdEddnEddy
Apr 5, 2012



You have to admit one thing, that HP x3 looks like it is packing every single checkbox there is for a high end phone outside of forward facing stereo speakers and a removable battery (though at 4150mah it shouldn't be a problem). It's nice to see someone take what Microsoft slowly eked out for the 950/XL and curbstomped it as far as features go. It would be nice to see HTC and hell Microsoft do something similar with the Surface Phone everyone that is a WP/Mobile fan is begging for, but Microsoft seems to be completely ignoring or just dragging rear end on actually producing.


I do agree and have been wondering when they will make a x86 version of Windows 10 Mobile and just Shoehorn it into something like the ASUS ZenPhone line with the Intel Atom CPU's. Doing that should allow it to easily run all the x86 apps you could want and make continuum useful being able to run full x86 versions of say Adobe Photoshop, Games, etc since that Atom chip isn't a slouch on Windows 10 Tabs that use it.

That's the logical thing to do, but this is Microsoft of course, so they may just let Continuum flounder and die like they have with so many other great features and Ideas :(

Uthor
Jul 9, 2006

Gummy Bear Heaven ... It's where I go when the world is too mean.
Microsoft’s Lumia 650 looks and feels way better than the Lumia 950

http://www.theverge.com/2016/2/22/11092324/microsoft-lumia-650-hands-on-mwc-2016

Partycat
Oct 25, 2004

I use remote desktop on my 640, it would work as a wifi based home thin client pretty easily.

AnyConnect is on the platform now for SSL VPN.

Reading and replying to email, pdf, simple documents, I could see being good. You're forgetting office online as well with the browser.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

I didn't want to get too deep into that debate, but the basics are good: all your files offline (and competent enough app ecosystem to at least mostly view and do some light editing), a single vpn setup, email, a good web browser. A good ssh client is all I need on top to get a good part of my work done. As long as the basic proposition looks decent the apps very well could still come flowing in, and the HP take does lend continuum a further air of viability.

Not a sure thing, but as long as the HP continuum "laptop" is reasonably cheap and light I might grab one as my carry-around laptop.

xylo
Feb 21, 2007
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shrike82 posted:

Enterprise?

Even for the lightest use-case i.e., Excel/Word usage, Continuum doesn't really work given there's no macro/VBA support.
It doesn't? What's preventing it?

Wizard of the Deep
Sep 25, 2005

Another productive workday
With Outlook, Excel, Edge, and RDP I could do probably 75% of my work off my 950xl/Continuum right now. If I could get a VMware client, PowerShell, Flash, and Java, I could be 100% Continuum-based. Honestly, I could do all that if we had a decent VDI environment, and my coworkers would quit insisting on 50+ MB XLS files :argh:

OldPueblo
May 2, 2007

Likes to argue. Wins arguments with ignorant people. Not usually against educated people, just ignorant posters. Bing it.
Windows 10 Mobile for Phones 2016 just got a lot better. The People app now has the history tab again.

:bravo:

xylo
Feb 21, 2007
<img src="https://forumimages.somethingawful.com/images/newbie.gif" border=0>

FYI

http://www.windowscentral.com/att-lumia-950-updated-windows-10-mobile-build-10586107

I believe this is kind of a big deal in that it seems to be the first WaaS build. (ie, MS just pushed a build to phones without carrier acceptance and to those not enrolled in an insider program.)

xylo fucked around with this message at 07:10 on Feb 24, 2016

Mecca-Benghazi
Mar 31, 2012


xylo posted:

FYI

http://www.windowscentral.com/att-lumia-950-updated-windows-10-mobile-build-10586107

I believe this is kind of a bid deal in that it seems to be the first WaaS build. (ie, MS just pushed a build to phones without carrier acceptance and to those not enrolled in an insider program.)
Yeah, I just got this. Haven't really had time to play around with it obviously, but my Treasure Tag hasn't disconnected so far, so that's nice :v:

I'm not seeing the update to the People app or to the Messaging app though. :smith:

OldPueblo
May 2, 2007

Likes to argue. Wins arguments with ignorant people. Not usually against educated people, just ignorant posters. Bing it.

Mecca-Benghazi posted:

Yeah, I just got this. Haven't really had time to play around with it obviously, but my Treasure Tag hasn't disconnected so far, so that's nice :v:

I'm not seeing the update to the People app or to the Messaging app though. :smith:

Hmm maybe it only came to the latest fast ring build (14267.1002). Works great so far, I missed this so badly.

Nope, my wife's 10586.107 has the history tab update.

OldPueblo fucked around with this message at 06:26 on Feb 24, 2016

Factor Mystic
Mar 20, 2006

Baby's First Post-Apocalyptic Fiction

xylo posted:

FYI

http://www.windowscentral.com/att-lumia-950-updated-windows-10-mobile-build-10586107

I believe this is kind of a bid deal in that it seems to be the first WaaS build. (ie, MS just pushed a build to phones without carrier acceptance and to those not enrolled in an insider program.)

You did it, good, I guess. Only had to wait six years for delivery on that promise. That's less than one dog year!

xylo
Feb 21, 2007
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Factor Mystic posted:

You did it, good, I guess. Only had to wait six years for delivery on that promise. That's less than one dog year!
Come now, starting the test release was the start. This just closes the loop on the OS fragmentation. But yeah agree with the sentiment that it too far too long.

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013
My wife replaced her aging Lumia620 with an Iphone6 and I've had the pleasure of setting it up. I haven't had much hands on experience with Iphones, but I have to say, setting up a windows phone is a whole lot easier and faster, especially the whole people app and the way it integrates the social networks. I've spent the better part of the evening only to discover that the Iphone can only show Facebook images on the contact list if someone has shared their emailadres with you. :psyduck: So now we have to bother our friends to share their email addresses.
I also can´t believe how convoluted it is to set your own ringtone. It's like WP7.
I do like the phone though, it's hella fast and very nice looking.


This experience at least did convince me that the mobile OS market really is poo poo. Either go with an Iphone with it's many built in limitations, go with an Android without security and support (also Google taking notes one everything you do) or go with Windows without apps and support. How did things get so bad.

wookieepelt
Jul 23, 2009
I think that if you're an iPhone user, you have been at it long enough that you get used to the limitations. And also, there's probably an app for everything that the OS lacks. No sense in wasting Apple's tine and money developing OS features if someone else will do it for you. But the iPhone is a nice phone, from a hardware perspective.

n0tqu1tesane
May 7, 2003

She was rubbing her ass all over my hands. They don't just do that for everyone.
Grimey Drawer
Over the weekend I updated my Lumia 950 to the latest fast ring build and my phone started consistently freezing.

I isolated it to the fact that I was saving my pictures on the SD card, and it seemed to stop freezing once I told it to save new pictures to the phone.

Is there anything I can do to fix the SD card? Format it and try again? Any utilities to check it for problems?

DarkMalfunction
Sep 5, 2014

n0tqu1tesane posted:

Over the weekend I updated my Lumia 950 to the latest fast ring build and my phone started consistently freezing.

I isolated it to the fact that I was saving my pictures on the SD card, and it seemed to stop freezing once I told it to save new pictures to the phone.

Is there anything I can do to fix the SD card? Format it and try again? Any utilities to check it for problems?

Run checkdisk on the SD card when plugged into your PC? That should hopefully highlight bad... sectors? Mechanical disks have sectors, I have no idea how SD cards work. Either way, hopefully that'll check for problems.

Also try another SD card in your phone to see if it's the card or the phone, if its the phone perhaps try to reset or reflash it with the recovery tool.

EdEddnEddy
Apr 5, 2012



Kidney Stone posted:

:siren: Public service announcement! :siren:

If you have a Lumia 550, and you are on the Windows Insider Fast Ring - do not install that latest "Redstone" update. You'll loose the ability to charge your phone.

Of course if you do it like me, you'll end up having to use the recovery tool to get it up and running again - hopefully you'll be able to do that before running out of battery.

Fixed

Drastic Actions
Apr 7, 2009

FUCK YOU!
GET PUMPED!
Nap Ghost
I'm gonna leave this here...

https://twitter.com/scottgu/status/702568545763225600

Mecca-Benghazi
Mar 31, 2012


Is your job more or less secure now? :v:

Chasiubao
Apr 2, 2010



Does this mean the big M signs your paycheques now?

Drastic Actions
Apr 7, 2009

FUCK YOU!
GET PUMPED!
Nap Ghost

Chasiubao posted:

Does this mean the big M signs your paycheques now?

When the deal closes.

Mecca-Benghazi posted:

Is your job more or less secure now? :v:

Let's just say we're all :woop: right now. It's good.

But there are reasons I put that tweet in this thread. This is good news.

Drastic Actions fucked around with this message at 22:08 on Feb 24, 2016

xylo
Feb 21, 2007
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Drastic Actions posted:

When the deal closes.


Let's just say we're all :woop: right now. It's good.

But there are reasons I put that tweet in this thread. This is good news.

Oh dear do I need to hide my alias or leave skype on perma away status now?

Drastic Actions
Apr 7, 2009

FUCK YOU!
GET PUMPED!
Nap Ghost

xylo posted:

Oh dear do I need to hide my alias or leave skype on perma away status now?

Not for another few weeks. Now when we have our integration day... ;)

Drastic Actions fucked around with this message at 05:05 on Feb 25, 2016

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013

From the comments I assume you work at Xamarin? :confuoot:



wookieepelt posted:

I think that if you're an iPhone user, you have been at it long enough that you get used to the limitations. And also, there's probably an app for everything that the OS lacks. No sense in wasting Apple's tine and money developing OS features if someone else will do it for you. But the iPhone is a nice phone, from a hardware perspective.

There does appear to be an app for everything. But it´s pretty sad that it even needs so many apps to get some very basic stuff done. IOS is pretty nice, but it could do with being a little less restrictive.

Last night I took a picture in extremely low light conditions with and without flash with both the iphone and my lumia930 to see the difference in pic. It was really amusing. With flash I couldn´t see any differences at a glace, but without the Iphone took a very dark picture with some barely discernable shapes but the picture sure was sharp. Meanwhile the lumia blew up the lighting giving a very very grainy picture, but at least you could see something on it. It´s fun to see the difference.

Chasiubao
Apr 2, 2010


Drastic Actions posted:

Not for another few weeks. Now when we have our integration day... ;)

Day?

That's adorable ;)

Mr Funkface
Dec 21, 2009
https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2016/02/24/announcing-windows-10-insider-preview-build-14271-mobile-build-14267-1004/

quote:

Windows 10 Mobile Insider Preview Build 14267.1004

Build 14267.1004 is the same build we released on Friday but with two very important fixes and one new feature:

- We fixed the issue reported by Insiders in Build 14267 where the Lumia 550 no longer charges or connects via USB. If you hit this issue on your Lumia 550 – we have laid out guidance on various methods to get back into a good state here.
- We fixed the issue preventing Visual Voicemail notifications from happening.
- We’re introducing Visual Voicemail for dual-SIM devices such as dual-SIM Lumia 950 XL! Work for this feature was in Friday’s release but due to the above mentioned bug impacting notifications it was not working correctly. But now the experience should be working as expected.
- We’ve released an update to the People app that brings back the history feature. For a given contact you communicate with, you can view the interaction, whether by today, yesterday, last week etc. Right now, your Skype messages won’t show up in history yet but we’re working on enabling this in a future update. Also – we’re tracking a bug in which opening an email item in history might not take you to that specific email.


Alright! It goes on to say available for the recent phones (950, 650, etc.) so I guess nothing on 640 - anyone having results on anything that isn't the recent phone models?

Drastic Actions
Apr 7, 2009

FUCK YOU!
GET PUMPED!
Nap Ghost

Darth TNT posted:

From the comments I assume you work at Xamarin? :confuoot:

Devops, mostly making tools for other engineers, and I maintain one customer facing site. And I still will.

Chasiubao posted:

Day?

That's adorable ;)

We were already told to expect "interesting" things that day... or two... or eventually it will be over. And our email may work at some point too. :toot:

And in not at all surprising news: Project Astoria is officially dead. Islandwood (the iOS bridge) makes a little sense to keep around for games (considering that's I think the whole reason it exists. For Candy Crush.). But the Android APK stuff was just meh. Luckily there are better solutions that hopefully more and more people pick up on.

Drastic Actions fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Feb 25, 2016

Factor Mystic
Mar 20, 2006

Baby's First Post-Apocalyptic Fiction

The wording of this in the announcement post is so funny/patronizing/false/corporate:

Kevin Gallo posted:

We also announced the Windows Bridge for Android (project “Astoria”) at Build last year, and some of you have asked about its status. We received a lot of feedback that having two Bridge technologies to bring code from mobile operating systems to Windows was unnecessary, and the choice between them could be confusing. We have carefully considered this feedback and decided that we would focus our efforts on the Windows Bridge for iOS and make it the single Bridge option for bringing mobile code to all Windows 10 devices, including Xbox and PCs. For those developers who spent time investigating the Android Bridge, we strongly encourage you to take a look at the iOS Bridge and Xamarin as great solutions.

Yeah, all you Android devs, just ~become~ iOS devs! Now you poor souls don't have to be confused that there's other mobile platforms in the universe!

CubanMissile
Apr 22, 2003

Of Hulks and Spider-Men

Darth TNT posted:

My wife replaced her aging Lumia620 with an Iphone6 and I've had the pleasure of setting it up. I haven't had much hands on experience with Iphones, but I have to say, setting up a windows phone is a whole lot easier and faster, especially the whole people app and the way it integrates the social networks. I've spent the better part of the evening only to discover that the Iphone can only show Facebook images on the contact list if someone has shared their emailadres with you. :psyduck: So now we have to bother our friends to share their email addresses.
I also can´t believe how convoluted it is to set your own ringtone. It's like WP7.
I do like the phone though, it's hella fast and very nice looking.

Just use the sync.me app to pull the pictures from your contact's Facebook profiles without needing their email. You don't even have to be Facebook friends with them, though you do have to link your fb account to the app. Just sync and keep hitting next. Turn off all the other app features though as they are useless.

CubanMissile fucked around with this message at 02:59 on Feb 26, 2016

xylo
Feb 21, 2007
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Factor Mystic posted:

The wording of this in the announcement post is so funny/patronizing/false/corporate:
Nope. It was garbage and I'm very happy it's dead.

Factor Mystic
Mar 20, 2006

Baby's First Post-Apocalyptic Fiction

xylo posted:

Nope. It was garbage and I'm very happy it's dead.

I'm not making a comment on the tech, I'm making a comment on your employer's perennial inability to communicate well. The concept that devs were ~confused~ that there was more than one bridge, or that all Android devs should switch careers is just amazing. Well, it's what I said it was in my previous post.

E: If the tech was garbage, then say so. Don't say "we're cancelling this because Android devs suck" (even if they do, doesn't matter).

Factor Mystic fucked around with this message at 03:30 on Feb 26, 2016

xylo
Feb 21, 2007
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Factor Mystic posted:

I'm not making a comment on the tech, I'm making a comment on your employer's perennial inability to communicate well. The concept that devs were ~confused~ that there was more than one bridge, or that all Android devs should switch careers is just amazing. Well, it's what I said it was in my previous post.

I think you're putting to much into the idea they are saying Android devs should just convert to iOS devs, though I can see how it can be interpreted that way. The reality of mobile apps today is that there are almost always iOS and Android variants of apps. In many cases the iOS variant is of a higher quality. This basically says (to me) if you're going to port your app, please use your iOS version and not the Android version. If you have a Android version and not an iOS version please look at the other port tools.

As far as messaging I'm not sure why you didn't expect it be anything other then dumb. MS still hasn't mastered this. :P I don't think any company would ever say they are euthanizing a product cause it was trash though. MS didn't even say then they pushed IE deprecation. It would be pretty funny though "Hey guys we've seen the light -- Lotus Notes really sucks and we'll just going to off it.. Seriously we're sorry for pushing this trash for so long", etc

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013

CubanMissile posted:

Just use the sync.me app to pull the pictures from your contact's Facebook profiles without needing their email. You don't even have to be Facebook friends with them, though you do have to link your fb account to the app. Just sync and keep hitting next. Turn off all the other app features though as they are useless.

That was what I ended up doing. The downside is that it doesn't pull the extra information into the contact. :(

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


I 'purchased' a couple of free videos off the store to try out Microsoft's streaming service, and while they appear in my Video app on desktop Windows 10, they aren't showing up on the Video app on my phone. I had to get them off the US store as they aren't in the UK store, but since they appear on my desktop app that apparently doesn't make a difference. Any ideas why they aren't showing up on phone?

ManSedan
May 7, 2006
Seats 4
I got myself a 640XL with the latest 10 preview version on it. Everything is working fine except for Cortanas voice recognition. It simply doesn't activate, either by hitting the microphone button while the app is open or by holding the search key. Voice dictation works fine through the keyboard so I don't think it's the microphone, and I can't find any voice-related setting in Cortana that's off or anything. Any suggestions or should I just chalk it up to Windows 10 weirdness?

Also man I really wish the W10 Twitter app that's on desktop would come to mobile.

wookieepelt
Jul 23, 2009

Doctor_Fruitbat posted:

I 'purchased' a couple of free videos off the store to try out Microsoft's streaming service, and while they appear in my Video app on desktop Windows 10, they aren't showing up on the Video app on my phone. I had to get them off the US store as they aren't in the UK store, but since they appear on my desktop app that apparently doesn't make a difference. Any ideas why they aren't showing up on phone?

I didn't know they had free videos. I purchased the Mad Max collection and all of the movies are showing up on my phone. What did you purchase? I'll try to duplicate that.

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beuges
Jul 4, 2005
fluffy bunny butterfly broomstick

LifeSizePotato posted:

Daniel Rubino has caused a bit of a stir with his insinuation that something interesting is coming to WP:



He and some other Windows bloggers are all together somewhere in NYC for what is assumed to be a surprise MS press conference.

All aboard the hype train! Next stop: Disappointmentville.

So did this big revelation ever materialize? Or was it one of the minor announcements over the past week or so that didn't cause any excitement whatsoever?

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