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CharlesM posted:I'd rather wait until 10.1 comes out or whatever. I don't trust it so far by everything in this thread haha. Sounds like good advice, and for once I'll follow it 
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Despite Microsoft releasing two Windows 10 phones, the mobile OS is not ready. Obviously, Microsoft realizes this, as general distribution has been delayed. If you're having problems getting it on your phone, I'd wait until Microsoft releases it for your device. There are probably some issues they have yet to work out with HTC. I'm using it on my 640 because... I really have no good answer. Stockholm syndrome?
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Feb 17, 2016 15:31
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Windows Phone - Come for no apps, stay for the Stockholm syndrome
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Feb 17, 2016 15:33
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Besides my issue with the start menu overlay disappearing ( ) and the battery life on my 950XL being meh (which seems to be much better in the newest insider build, YMMV) I have not had as many issues as others here have. I don't use it on a day to day basis, so I'm sure that might be why  .
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Kidney Stone posted:So I managed to get hold of a Lumia 1020 (mostly for the camera). But I have seem to have hit a problem installing Windows 10 Mobile (have installed the Windows Insider app, and enrolled myself on the Slow Ring). I had the same code (iirc) on my 640. I had to re-install the current OS with the recovery tool which needs to download from MS. Hard (factory) reset won't do it: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/mobile/support/faq/?action=singleTopic&topic=FA142987 Once you've done that, log into your account but don't restore anything. Let the first updates run, when stable in 8.1 install the Insider Preview and choose your ring.
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I backed this: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/nexdock-turn-your-smartphone-into-a-laptop--2#/ I'm sure I'll find a use for it (assuming it gets funded), but it's a neat idea for continuum.
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Feb 17, 2016 18:19
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Maneki Neko posted:I backed this:
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Maneki Neko posted:I backed this: Funnily enough, I recently bought a Motorola Lapdock on eBay for about $60, a $50 USB-C port replicator, and various adapters to exactly do this with my Lumia 950 XL. I need to do a few modifications to the lapdock for it to work so that it'll turn on and will send USB data and power to the phone which are on separate ports on the USB-C adapter. I just got in all the parts I need so I'll see how it'll turn out tonight.
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Maneki Neko posted:I backed this: A neat idea, I love it! Won't buy one though. Isn't the point of continuum to only carry around the phone and dock into a (static) large screen/proper keyboard as and when? I already carry carry a super lightweight laptop with full fat windows which I dock.
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Kidney Stone posted:So, the things I've trie duntil now, is several soft resets, and two or three hard resets - still no luck.
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Well, the results of my modifications on my Motorola Lapdock 100 tonight is a bit mixed. I was able to get the HDMI workaround as described here to work so the Lapdock did turn on albeit briefly. The problem was that soldering an extension cable from from the HDMI ribbon cable to a switch is easier said than done. I had the extension cable separate from the ribbon cable so many times that the ribbon cable is now just a stub on the jumper plug that I can't solder to anymore. While I did buy an extra ribbon cable just in case, it was the last one on eBay so I'm apprehensive of taking a knife to this one without another spare. Maybe I'll tackle from the other end and connect the extension cable to the jumper socket but that's probably just as big of a pain in the rear end. And it's late so I had to end my work there. Well, at least modification held together long enough for me to test that the screen does in fact work. So in short, these modifications are not for the faint of heart and I can see the allure of purposely-built universal lapdock. Unless I really gently caress it up, though, I'm going to persevere with making my lapdock work.
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xylo posted:I would recommend a different device. While I love my 1020, you're better off with 8.1 on it simply because the hardware is much older and the 1020 itself had several custom Nokia hacks related the large camera support that didn't get cleanly ported to 10. In that case, I'll have to go and buy a new device - 550 or 640 (just something cheap where I can play around with 10)?
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Kidney Stone posted:In that case, I'll have to go and buy a new device - 550 or 640 (just something cheap where I can play around with 10)? If you just want a cheap that should work, 640 it is. It won't have a long long shelf life, but it's like 30-50$ and works just fine. Get an SD card for certain though. Next steps up would be finding a native W10 device -- the 650 for $299 new or find someone offloading a 950 for cheap. I currently use an engineering device (950 equivalent) and while it's okay, it's nothing to write home about and I certainly don't think it's worth the full off contract price.
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xylo posted:I should note, that by the time the roll out of WM10 hits, they should have an updated Lumia camera app that should support the 41mp mode. But my experience with that in test is that it's unbelievably slow as gently caress. Beyond that the 1020 *runs* WM10 but I wouldn't say it runs it to what I personally find as acceptable. Then again, I personally don't find most low end devices to be "acceptable" for me, so take this with a grain of salt as it may be okay for you. Well, off contract or used the 950 is out of the question, here in Denmark, they costs around $550. A used 640 is around $90, and a used 550 is $70... So what ever way phone I'm looking to get, I'll be hosed over. :-/
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Kidney Stone posted:Well, off contract or used the 950 is out of the question, here in Denmark, they costs around $550. Unless you're using Continuum there's not much to "try out" in WP10. Standalone it's pretty much the same as 8.1 except with features missing (where is History in the contacts?).
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Mr Funkface posted:Unless you're using Continuum there's not much to "try out" in WP10. Standalone it's pretty much the same as 8.1 except with features missing (where is History in the contacts?). Oh well, did manage to find a "new" (only used for a week by a 70 year old dude) 550 - I got it for $50, so that was ok - if nothing else, I'll use as a backup phone.
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Mr Funkface posted:Unless you're using Continuum there's not much to "try out" in WP10. Standalone it's pretty much the same as 8.1 except with features missing (where is History in the contacts?). Not true. UWP apps alone make it worth it for me (pending specific issues with hardware, like the 1020s camera. Also don't run it on the 520 ).
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Drastic Actions posted:Also don't run it on the 520 I have my old 520 lying around, why should I not try it?
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Drastic Actions posted:Not true. UWP apps alone make it worth it for me (pending specific issues with hardware, like the 1020s camera. Also don't run it on the 520 Let me know when Bank of America brings its app back.
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DarkMalfunction posted:I have my old 520 lying around, why should I not try it? I mean, you can. I'm saying if you were, for whatever reason, running that as your main phone, it's not very good. It already had issues on 8.1 being slow. 10 just drags it down that much more. Mr Funkface posted:Let me know when Bank of America brings its app back.  Not really sure what this has to do with anything.
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Drastic Actions posted:
UWP is all well and good as a concept but I still can't use my smartphone to do internet banking in 2016 like I could in 2015. Unless I'm missing the point isn't UWP a method to address the app gap? If not I guess I don't get it.
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Mr Funkface posted:UWP is all well and good as a concept but I still can't use my smartphone to do internet banking in 2016 like I could in 2015. Unless I'm missing the point isn't UWP a method to address the app gap? If not I guess I don't get it. I only mentioned it because, as a development platform, I really like it and think it's much better than 8.1. I could not go back to 8.1 after being on 10 because of it. So when I mean "Worth it" I don't mean "You should buy a Windows 10 phone because UWP apps are really good and there are lots of them!", I mean "It's a good platform to make apps on." And, in my opinion as a developer who deals with mobile devices, seeing the same app span multiple devices with little, if any, code change is seriously cool. Try taking an iOS app and turn it into a tvOS one. It's not trivial. UWP is very straightforward. So from the perspective of the "app gap", it removes a potential reason for companies and developers from making apps for the platform; there is less time to get an app running across many devices, with less maintenance for each, considering you're working with one code base. It does not address the core reason for companies and developers don't bother making apps for it though: Not enough users to justify it, or not enough users getting into the store to download the apps that are there. Desktop downloads for UWP apps on Windows 10 are up (People do enter the store, if only to update the apps that are already installed. Like the Mac App Store). But it's still a low amount for companies to go "Yeah, let's go all in on another development platform!".
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Yep, we have two different perspectives: user and developer. For a pissing around and trying it out WP10 isn't interesting for me as a user, at least not worth the effort to get a phone specially and jump through hoops to get a pre-release installed, though one day the user may see the benefit once the UWS does it's thing.
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Store apps/etc is a big issue that is still being worked on. However I think there is a good chance that when you can get clean Win32 apps from the store that will be something that helps kickstart the store use flywheel. The app model still has some issues IMO, but those are being addressed as things progress. Eventually being able to replace Win32 with it will be a nice thing in the long run.
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So I got myself a cheap, hardly used, Lumia 550 - and I must say, after I've installed the apps I needed, that I've more than pleased with Windows 10 Mobile. I will, when I'm going to get a new phone (got a Samsung Note 4 at the moment), get myself a Lumia 950.
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 Public service announcement! If you have a Lumia 550, and you are on the Windows Insider Fast Ring - do not install that latest "Redstone" update. You'll loose the ability to charge your phone. Of course if you do it like me, you'll end up having to use the recovery tool to get it up and running again - hopefully you'll be able to do that before running out of battery.
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Kidney Stone posted:So I got myself a cheap, hardly used, Lumia 550 - and I must say, after I've installed the apps I needed, that I've more than pleased with Windows 10 Mobile. Kidney Stone posted:If you have a Lumia 550, and you are on the Windows Insider Fast Ring - do not install that latest "Redstone" update. You'll loose the ability to charge your phone. Lmao
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Yep, not that most brilliant idea from my side installing the Redstone update before waiting to see which problems everybody else had - used the recovery tool, and I'm now back at the normal and stabel .107 update. Oh well, you have to learn somehow?
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This is a good opportunity to be rather angry with Microsoft and W10M man, I like it a lot by now, but you have not had a pleasant run through no fault of your own
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:This is a good opportunity to be rather angry with Microsoft and W10M man, I like it a lot by now, but you have not had a pleasant run through no fault of your own No need to be angry, I could have stayed away from beta software.
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The biggest issue here is that Microsoft released brand new hardware, with a brand new operating system, which was ostensibly finished - I don't see any ads for a lumia 950 with windows 10 beta; but in reality the phone version of windows 10 is a half baked clusterfuck, which doesn't come close to being a finished, polished product two months after the hardware it was supposed to launch with hit shelves. Frankly it's barely fit to even be called beta - it's as if Microsoft took a look at the current gaming trend of early access and decided, hey, let's start doing that with Windows. Even windows 10 on PC still needs the odd lick of polish, and it's been out for a good 8 months now - desktop windows needs someone to grow a pair, commit fully to the new aesthetic, and mercilessly cut all the legacy poo poo - it's intolerable that there is a new look settings app, yet there is still the old control panel that mostly duplicates each other's functions, but not quite; not to mention the hodge podge of different design styles from half a dozen eras of windows. Setting aside the desktop side of things, it's a stark contrast to phone 7, or to the lumia 920 and 930 launches. There is no way in a million years Apple would tolerate something like this, and even android is more polished. Microsoft as a whole needs to start putting some effort into quality control, and just overall polish across the board.
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Is Windows 10 for phones guaranteed to receive 10 years of support like Windows 10 for desktops? Or could it die tomorrow?
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Nah, guaranteed until January 2018 only. I wouldn't be too surprised if they do some best-effort past that, but that is EOL.
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I actually factually think we are past that part of the platforms life, I think it either progresses along these lines, or it is dropped entirely. I wont give odds on which will be the outcome though. Must say, all UWP apps I have tried have been pretty convincing from a technical perspective, I am certainly groaning more over launching old 8 apps than new stuff by now, so I don't think there is much of a need for a reboot either now that they have the compatibility on top of that.
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HP appears to have arrived to make the future look a bit brighter: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/02/hp-elite-x3-a-flagship-windows-phone-thats-unambiguously-enterprisey/ It really does make things seem more doable, the situation where Microsoft was the only hardware vendor (more or less) made things look really iffy. HP jumping in, and doing Continuum to a greater extent than Microsoft themselves, is very promising to me. e: Anyone know if Continuum devices are expected to be compatible with each other? I rather like the look of HPs mobile extender, and would be a bit inclined to buy it to go with my 950 if that is a supported (well "supported") scenario. Cybernetic Vermin fucked around with this message at 13:21 on Feb 22, 2016 |
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I'm kinda scratching my head at Continuum. Without multitasking or x86 support, what's the use case?
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:HP appears to have arrived to make the future look a bit brighter: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/02/hp-elite-x3-a-flagship-windows-phone-thats-unambiguously-enterprisey/ Ehhhh. Samsung and HTC couldn't do anything as 3rd party OEMs, why do you think HP of all companies is going to do anything worthwhile?
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