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dispatch_async posted:Dear Mum, I'm going to be a Muslim: Anger over pupils' RE project that asked them to write a letter to their parents explaining why they were converting to Islam Something tells me these people would've hated the exercise even if it was 'Name 1 positive thing about Islam' e: Feb 23rd, 2005: The controversial French law on colonialism is passed, requiring teachers to teach the "positive values of colonialism" such as reducing the number of the global human population. Miftan fucked around with this message at 15:15 on Feb 23, 2016 |
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dispatch_async posted:Dear Mum, I'm going to be a Muslim: Anger over pupils' RE project that asked them to write a letter to their parents explaining why they were converting to Islam Oh no, what if people found a homework assignment about a major world religion. Unless their kid wrote "because I want to COMMIT SALAFIST JIHAD WoOOO" then I doubt it's going to be damning?
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winegums posted:If I were a betting man I'd put some money on us voting to leave.
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Feb 23, 2016 15:09
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Happy Defender of the Fatherland Day Comrades! 
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Feb 23, 2016 15:12
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dispatch_async posted:Dear Mum, I'm going to be a Muslim: Anger over pupils' RE project that asked them to write a letter to their parents explaining why they were converting to Islam Ehhh I like the idea of getting kids to pretend what it would be like to in another faith especially in a particularly religious area but doing the exercise as writing to parents pretending to convert seems ill advised and liable to piss people off. Not there isn't a probably large element of Islamaphobia here but this would cause a similar reaction if a school in a heavily Islamic area had the kids pretending they were converting to Christianity.
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Feb 23, 2016 15:14
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StoneOfShame posted:Ehhh I like the idea of getting kids to pretend what it would be like to in another faith especially in a particularly religious area but doing the exercise as writing to parents pretending to convert seems ill advised and liable to piss people off. Not there isn't a probably large element of Islamaphobia here but this would cause a similar reaction if a school in a heavily Islamic area had the kids pretending they were converting to Christianity. Which makes them just as bad. Trying to imagine being of a different faith (under the correct guidance) is probably a good thing, and if you're scared of your child converting then you're probably a bigot!
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Feb 23, 2016 15:17
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dispatch_async posted:Writing on Facebook, she said: ‘Sorry, but both Will and I feel very strongly – as do many, many other parents – that this is not acceptable. Kids are too impressionable, and imagine if these letters got in the wrong hands in years to come.’ 'I have some of your old homework, now you have to do what I say' 
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Feb 23, 2016 15:25
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Yvette Cooper is Calling App Britain.
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Feb 23, 2016 15:28
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It's pretty weird to get kids to write to their parents saying they've converted. The big story here is who the gently caress though this was a good idea for a class to do? How did they not see this ending this way?
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Feb 23, 2016 15:28
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MrL_JaKiri posted:To head this off at the pass, the only thing it's a parody of is Three Lions. It says 'parody song' in the description given by the uploader.
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Feb 23, 2016 15:30
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Pissflaps posted:It says 'parody video' in the description given by the uploaded. Yes, it's claiming to be a parody of Three Lions (although arguably it isn't)
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Feb 23, 2016 15:31
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Yes, it's claiming to be a parody of Three Lions (although arguably it isn't) Where is this claim?
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Feb 23, 2016 15:32
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Pissflaps posted:Where is this claim? In the description of the video, you quoted it
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Feb 23, 2016 15:34
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This is also a self-described parody video.
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Feb 23, 2016 15:34
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Aha, it begins.
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Miftan posted:Which makes them just as bad. Trying to imagine being of a different faith (under the correct guidance) is probably a good thing, and if you're scared of your child converting then you're probably a bigot! Absolutely, I agree entirely my point was that the objective of the exercise could have been achieved in a way that wouldn't send bigoted parents screaming for the papers. Part of what teachers should be doing is trying to help kids escape from their parents' bigotry and you gotta do this without letting the parents know your doing it. I mean I've been on numerous school trips to religious buildings and there's always the same group of Christian and Islamic kids who's parents wont let them go to any buildings but their own its a drat shame, oddly you never get it from any other faith than those two in my experience. Edit: The London Stock Exchange has revealed its in talks with Deutsche Börse about merging the two exchanges, this could add another dynamic to the referendum, wait no it wont because people wont looks at things like that because immigrants are coming. StoneOfShame fucked around with this message at 15:39 on Feb 23, 2016 |
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Feb 23, 2016 15:35
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StoneOfShame posted:Absolutely, I agree entirely my point was that the objective of the exercise could have been achieved in a way that wouldn't send bigoted parents screaming for the papers. Part of what teachers should be doing is trying to help kids escape from their parents' bigotry and you gotta do this without letting the parents know your doing it. I mean I've been on numerous school trips to religious buildings and there's always the same group of Christian and Islamic kids who's parents wont let them go to any buildings but their own its a drat shame, oddly you never get it from any other faith than those two in my experience. I imagine that's because you're not very 'in' with the jewish crowd. They can get just as bad, especially with conflating Israel into the whole mess. I don't know if they could have done it in a way to not make the parents mad, but maybe not make them run to the media? Mostly I just feel sorry for the poor teacher who is going to get told off for trying to promote understanding of other religions.
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Feb 23, 2016 15:38
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If you think that video is anything but sincere then you're giving far too much credit to far-right nutjobs. Many of them lack the imagination to wilfully create something that funny.
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Tesseraction posted:Oh no, what if people found a homework assignment about a major world religion. We live in a world where a serious candidate for the American presidency has all but declared he will make being Muslim illegal. Context is irrelevant.
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jabby posted:Men can discuss feminism, they just need to be careful not to drown out the women involved or try to explain feminism to them. Realistically it's an example of male privilege that some men find any discussion where they are not automatically considered the authority to be 'infuriating'. And it's another example that you can simply decide not to be bothered by gender issues because you are tired of them. Women don't really have that option. I've had plenty of very productive conversations with self-identified feminists, but at the same time plenty of very unproductive ones! I understand the need to avoid drowning out women and assuming authority etc, and I don't do that, but the good conversations are the ones where my points are responded to and where I make a mistake I'm politely educated as to the problem with what I said. That way the discussion can continue and everything's good. Hell, sometimes I even contribute something positive that the other person hasn't considered. What causes me frustration (and makes me want to avoid the topic - which of course is something enabled by my male privilege, no argument there) is when honest discussion in good faith descends into 'you're critical of my position on some element of minutiae and are therefore a misogynist/rapist/whatever'. While it's necessary for men to acknowledge their privilege in discussion, they're just as capable of making positive contributions to the theory as women so long as they do so - just as white people can with race issues so long as they do the same. I just think that certain groups dedicated to equality movements (and not just feminism by any stretch) have a really difficult combination of quite complex theory presented with fairly academic language and a significant portion of the membership that will not tolerate any form of dissent (accidental or intentional) and will hound the perpetrator until they leave - and in these fields it's almost impossible for a newcomer to not trip over something because the theory is not simple! So in the end you have a quite insular, homogenous group which is seen as elitist and hyper-aggressive to outsiders. So it's the latter type that I find difficult. The frustrating thing is I can understand it partially - women are sick of having to legitimise themselves to men and any attempt to explain themselves can be read as doing that - but I'm not sure it's a good way to further the discussion. I think any lefty associated with any equality movement has an obligation to promote positive understanding and education amongst the population as a whole. That involves discussion in good faith and a good deal of toleration and patience. MrL_JaKiri posted:Exactly the same thing as "Black Lives Matter" vs "All Lives Matter"; "Black Lives Matter" has an implicit "Also" in there, because everyone knows that people in power think White Lives Matter. jabby posted:The difference between feminism and egalitarianism is the difference between 'black lives matter' and 'all lives matter'. Yes, this makes sense, thanks. I just get the same feeling I do with most single issue movements - they can't truly flourish and appreciate the issues without a broader understanding of the way class and privilege works. That's understood by many (as the drive for intersectionality shows). So I just think that the term socialist for example is a nice catch all term that could unite people from disparate areas. So calling yourself a socialist isn't to say you aren't a feminist, or a LGBT or black rights activisit. I'm not suggesting anyone ditches the label related to their particular interest, but that they should take on the more generalist label too. Because all of this is a part of socialism when it comes down to it. ThomasPaine fucked around with this message at 15:49 on Feb 23, 2016 |
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Crashbee posted:'I have some of your old homework, now you have to do what I say' Either they are concerned their child will say something racist (something like "I'm turning Muslim because I want to suicide bomb!" strikes me as within possibility) or that by being sympathetic to Islam at some point in future will be blackmail material. I'm not sure which reflects more poorly on them.
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Miftan posted:I imagine that's because you're not very 'in' with the jewish crowd. They can get just as bad, especially with conflating Israel into the whole mess. Yeah I dont think there are any Jewish kids at our school, I'm trying to think but dont think so. I think you're perhaps right maybe you could have made them not run to the press nut maybe they dont want you studying anything to do with Islam except that its bad. It is a channel island I assume they are all white and posh.
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Feb 23, 2016 15:44
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MrL_JaKiri posted:In the description of the video, you quoted it There's nothing in my quote or the description that mentions Three Lions. Where have you seen it?
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Feb 23, 2016 15:45
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Pissflaps posted:There's nothing in my quote or the description that mentions Three Lions. Where have you seen it? I first saw Three Lions back on Fantasy Football League in 1996
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Pissflaps posted:There's nothing in my quote or the description that mentions Three Lions. Where have you seen it? On a shirt.
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Feb 23, 2016 15:50
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Three Lions was the second best England football song.
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Feb 23, 2016 15:51
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StoneOfShame posted:Three Lions was the second best England football song. You prefer Three Lions '98? Controversial
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Feb 23, 2016 15:52
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MrL_JaKiri posted:I first saw Three Lions back on Fantasy Football League in 1996 Have you seen it more recently, perhaps within my quote or the description of the video provided by its uploader ?
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Pissflaps posted:Have you seen it more recently, perhaps within my quote or the description of the video provided by its uploader ? Yes https://twitter.com/DressBagShoes/status/701877550407143424
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Feb 23, 2016 15:54
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It would have been helpful for you to provide this link earlier.
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Feb 23, 2016 15:57
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StoneOfShame posted:Three Lions was the second best England football song. Correct, Vindaloo is the best.
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1. Vindaloo 2. Three Lions 3. World In Motion
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Btw lefty music stuff- I'm listening to The Joy Of Living, a tribute to Ewan Maccoll, and it's absolutely fantastic. Amazing lineup as well, Dick Gaughan, Christy Moore, Damien Dempsey, Karine Polwart, Jarvis Cocker, Steve Earle, Bill Bragg, etc. Lovely stuff.
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StoneOfShame posted:Yeah I dont think there are any Jewish kids at our school, I'm trying to think but dont think so. I think you're perhaps right maybe you could have made them not run to the press Maybe by writing the letters but not actually sending them to the parents? Really I have no idea what they were thinking with that, enough parents get flighty about unfamiliar maths/science assignments they think are "wrong", let alone RE.
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Feb 23, 2016 16:03
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I thought the parents found out because it was homework, not because they actually sent them.
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Coohoolin posted:Btw lefty music stuff- I'm listening to The Joy Of Living, a tribute to Ewan Maccoll, and it's absolutely fantastic. Amazing lineup as well, Dick Gaughan, Christy Moore, Damien Dempsey, Karine Polwart, Jarvis Cocker, Steve Earle, Bill Bragg, etc. Lovely stuff. I'm gonna help you out here, you wanna stop listening to this lefty folk, its not just not angry enough you need to pick up Mediocre Generica and gently caress World Trade by Leftover Crack that's good lefty music.
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Pork Pie Hat posted:Correct, Vindaloo is the best. The best for classist fuckwits like Damien Hirst, yes
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Overminty posted:I thought the parents found out because it was homework, not because they actually sent them. That would make more sense! 
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