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I'm OK with some of those answers, but not others. I'm glad they're considering adding races, cause there's a lot in the game that aren't playable, like ffffffffuckin dwarves. However, the idea that there's plenty of ways to get dyes already is out right false. It's cash shop only, random, and one time use. The dye system will not be engaged with by players if that continues to be the case.
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It isn't only from the cash shop. Just mostly.
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This is how the system works now. Most dyes come from the cash shop. All the good ones come from that or mixing dyes. Any dye that these people do not want will probably end up on the auction house. There are a few quests that I found, probably a few more but still not many, that do give you dyes. I do not know if those are repeatable or not. I didn't test it since dyes are not really my thing. I don't know what price the auction house will put dyes at, but I got a feeling it is pretty high. This is a system designed to go after whales who will have no problem doing dumb things like buying a 100 dollar preorder then dumping 30 more bucks into dyes and having them sell the extras for in game silver. I've seen this system before and it is literally finding people too dumb with their money who may or may not have a gambling problem. It is a predatory system that I do not like. I have not been able to confirm that the auction house part of the system, this is only what I have heard from some other other players. That said, they did say they would take another look at the system. There is a chance that they add the Premium dye system that KR has. More info about that can befound here http://steparu.com/previews/mmorpg/1963-black-desert-online-premium-dye-system-explanation but it is basically a subscription system to the dyes.
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Feb 23, 2016 17:42
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Valencia Part III sounds great. Glad this is buy2play because it'll be nice revisiting this in a year. Shame they didn't bring up the weeb classes though . I want to know when I can expect to play as Lu Bu and Rikimaru
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I kinda knew all that, and put together the idea that it was a way to get a bunch of revenue since it's a f2p game in other areas, but I don't think it's fair to have that sort of dye system in a buy to play game. I don't want to pay a sub for the dye system to be accessible to me in a non-insane way, when all they'd need to do is make dyes permanent like GW2 and add random dye boxes as a fairly common drop and they'd be beating that game at one of its strengths. I bring up GW2 because that's the same payment model that this game has, so people will not be expecting to have to be a whale to even dye their armour the same shade of brown.
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Third World Reggin posted:Any dye that these people do not want will probably end up on the auction house. Grondoth posted:I kinda knew all that, and put together the idea that it was a way to get a bunch of revenue since it's a f2p game in other areas, but I don't think it's fair to have that sort of dye system in a buy to play game. I don't want to pay a sub for the dye system to be accessible to me in a non-insane way, when all they'd need to do is make dyes permanent like GW2 and add random dye boxes as a fairly common drop and they'd be beating that game at one of its strengths. I bring up GW2 because that's the same payment model that this game has, so people will not be expecting to have to be a whale to even dye their armour the same shade of brown.
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Rift and GW2 are good games for these guys to look at to fix their model. Rift went f2p and put their costumes at too high of a price point and ended up losing money and players because of it GW2 has a great dye system that they should try to mirror as much as possible since being able to play dress up with dolls is a huge reason people keep playing it But normally this is not within a regional teams control. They have to ask the main developer to do any changes and they may refuse to do it.
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hobocrunch posted:These Kungen permagame rants are just great On the other hand I watch sodapoppin so what do I know.  Edit: Third World Reggin posted:Rift and GW2 are good games for these guys to look at to fix their model. 
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The outrage on the forums is going to be great. I can't believe they're treating a b2p game like this. I don't really see the benefit we have over the f2p versions in other countries. Seems like it's just a barrier for entry for the sake of loving over botters. Is there any tangible benefit?
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No shame in saying you preordered RIFT. At launch it was a pretty drat good game all things considered. Then they sort of stoped giving a gently caress and the game stagnated after the first year.Alexander DeLarge posted:The outrage on the forums is going to be great. I can't believe they're treating a b2p game like this. Its not even that, the chinamen are going to buy accounts with stolen credit cards so they can bot and spam. Even if there isn't any trading worth a drat, they'll find a way to make money. Somehow. Cao Ni Ma fucked around with this message at 18:08 on Feb 23, 2016 |
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Alexander DeLarge posted:The outrage on the forums is going to be great. I can't believe they're treating a b2p game like this.
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Also lets stop calling level 50 a soft cap. This isn't the case anymore like it was during the korean launch and we didn't know about awakened weapons and skills post 50. You'll be unlocking your awakened weapon at 56, and you are still unlocking abilities after that.
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Cao Ni Ma posted:No shame in saying you preordered RIFT. At launch it was a pretty drat good game all things considered. Then they sort of stoped giving a gently caress and the game stagnated after the first year.
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Cao Ni Ma posted:Also lets stop calling level 50 a soft cap. This isn't the case anymore like it was during the korean launch and we didn't know about awakened weapons and skills post 50. You'll be unlocking your awakened weapon at 56, and you are still unlocking abilities after that.
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kalstrams posted:And these are not coming until 2017 if we follow Korean timeline. Not even saying that Media has to be out to reasonably progress past level 53, and Valencia has to be out to reasonably progress past level 58. Why would we follow the korean timeline? Aren't all those assets done?
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Grondoth posted:Why would we follow the korean timeline? Aren't all those assets done? I doubt we will follow the Korean timeline, but some people seem to have delusion that we are getting everything at once, now. Edit: Even if any and all assets are already done, I would still expect a gradual rollout, since pushing everything in at once would certainly not be beneficial. cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 18:54 on Feb 23, 2016 |
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I bought the 100 dollar pack and have Monday and Tuesday off though I might have to slip away for a budget meeting at work sometime. I'm ready to chop trees and poo poo. Does what your worker gather count toward the guild gathering?
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I think we'll get most existing content on an accelerated schedule, but they'll want to release the updates at a steady rate to keep players interested rather than dump everything at once and have players get bored waiting for new content.
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Probad posted:I think we'll get most existing content on an accelerated schedule, but they'll want to release the updates at a steady rate to keep players interested rather than dump everything at once and have players get bored waiting for new content. Beo posted:I bought the 100 dollar pack and have Monday and Tuesday off though I might have to slip away for a budget meeting at work sometime. I'm ready to chop trees and poo poo. Does what your worker gather count toward the guild gathering?
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B2P does mitigate the standard botting model somewhat but only if it is coupled with good enforcement and an appeals process for false positives. B2P can also come with some other great benefits as we have seen with games like GW2, but BDO does not seem to be taking advantage of these. Instead, the rest of the business model feels like the usual F2P stuff. That pretty much makes the fact that we are paying money to buy the box feel closer to a cash grab to me.
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Kimsemus posted:They're adding larger ships for piracy. It's going to be tough getting to mmo ships and piracy while naval action exists. Hopefully won't feel too tacked on.
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kalstrams posted:Not only that, but also the overall uselessness of introducing expansion content early on. It is somewhat heavily gated, so besides classes and a few other things, there's not much you will really be able to make out of the Media and Valencia content any time soon. Just look at the content reviews from Steparu during the Media and Valencia 1.0 releases. There just isn't much there. Following the korean content schedule would be pretty much suicide by lethargy and they basically need to rush down to valencia 2.0 as quick as possible in the states if they want to retain people in the long run.
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Sounds like we have an a-team sperg crew assembled for the early launch. Talos guide us.
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Kimsemus posted:Sounds like we have an a-team sperg crew assembled for the early launch. I hadn't considered taking off work. I must be b-team. edit: Perhaps I could take a day off, considering it starts at 5:30pm on a Sunday for me. Upgrade to a-team sperg achieved. Dr. Kayak Paddle fucked around with this message at 19:41 on Feb 23, 2016 |
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Cao Ni Ma posted:Just look at the content reviews from Steparu during the Media and Valencia 1.0 releases. There just isn't much there. Following the korean content schedule would be pretty much suicide by lethargy and they basically need to rush down to valencia 2.0 as quick as possible in the states if they want to retain people in the long run.
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I'll be in the $50 Scrub tier. We should get some people to farm mats for milk tea so we can all level faster.
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Godmode Enabled posted:I'll be in the $50 Scrub tier. We should get some people to farm mats for milk tea so we can all level faster.
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Kimsemus posted:Sounds like we have an a-team sperg crew assembled for the early launch. Kimsemus convince me to go NA, probably gently caress my sleep schedule and deal with lag.
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If someone wants to party up for turbopoopsocking on the day one, let me know. If you are any kind of responsible or adult then you might automatically be disqualified from this.
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I bought the $30 version and my wife the $50 version because she wanted that one. I never thought I would see the day where I buy my wife the "better" version of a video game. She isn't even much of a gamer but when she saw that there was horse breeding, farming, player housing, and a great character creator she was all in and ended up playing CBT2 more than I did. This is her first action combat video game...ever. Good thing weasels go down easy.
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It really does feel like the main focus on the game right now is life skills where pvp and pve is secondary. It really isn't a bad thing though.
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So with virtually no player trading being allowed, what is the best way for someone to contribute to the guild? Does it all boil down to guild gathering quests?
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LegalPad posted:So with virtually no player trading being allowed, what is the best way for someone to contribute to the guild? Does it all boil down to guild gathering quests?
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Here is the great part. The guild pays you and you get a bonus if you are active. If you are active, even if you don't do guild quest stuff, you generate small bits of money and exp for the guild. All you have to do is play. If you want your pay to not be late, higher, or for us to have some nice things then do guild quests. Each time the guild gets skill points, the guild can spend it on increasing the size of the guild or passives for the entire guild. Like they can give you 3/5 enhancement levels for any life skill. This is a pretty good buff.
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Third World Reggin posted:If you are active, even if you don't do guild quest stuff, you generate small bits of money and exp for the guild. They need to take the guy who made this decision and put him in charge of more things in this game.
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Is anybody else here going to play on the EU server? And do you have a good guild lined up?
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lewtt posted:
$100 sperglord here.
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kalstrams posted:If someone wants to party up for turbopoopsocking on the day one, let me know. If you are any kind of responsible or adult then you might automatically be disqualified from this. I am seriously considering waking up at 1 AM for the 96 hour launch. This is what happens when my wife is on the other side of the world helping her family. I need a parent.
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