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It's not really that Jay is Zoom. What people were predicting is that the Jay currently lying on the floor was the same person as Zoom.
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There are three Jays. Zoom is J Jonah Jameson.
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Feb 24, 2016 03:26
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Aphrodite posted:It's not really that Jay is Zoom. What people were predicting is that the Jay currently lying on the floor was the same person as Zoom. I was kind of suspecting he was a doppleganger or clone or copy or otherwise faking it. Or Zoom was a weird-rear end offshoot of that Jay, like a Speedforce entity that split off of him due to a side-effect of the Velocity 6 doping. Would fulfill the idea of Jay losing his speed to Zoom while not being entirely honest about the how and result. But then the guy in the mask seems like Jay also. And was in one of the speedster-proof jail cells. So poo poo is all sorts of weird now.
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Feb 24, 2016 03:32
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So is someone going to do a comic about the episode using screenshots like was posted last week? If they're going to, I think I might just hold off on seeing the episode until that's posted because it sounds like it might honestly be better and even if it isn't then it'll just be a fun experiment in how much it can spoil my expectations (in tandem with having read the thread because I'm not even bothered by episode spoilers for the show at this point).
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Feb 24, 2016 03:34
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tsob posted:So is someone going to do a comic about the episode using screenshots like was posted last week? If they're going to, I think I might just hold off on seeing the episode until that's posted because it sounds like it might honestly be better and even if it isn't then it'll just be a fun experiment in how much it can spoil my expectations (in tandem with having read the thread because I'm not even bothered by episode spoilers for the show at this point). quote:- Wells tells Cisco and Barry not to talk about Earth 2 That's about it.
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Feb 24, 2016 03:38
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Feb 24, 2016 03:39
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Zoom is Jericho, who jumped into a shapeshifted guy who was shapeshifted into Jay, and then jumped into Jay, becoming Zoom. Leaving Jay in the shapeshifted guy but he doesn't know how to use that power, Jericho in Jays body as Zoom, and the masked guy is the person Jericho was previously possessing, Hunter Zolomon of course.
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Feb 24, 2016 03:41
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King Shark looked great. Also did nothing wrong but Barry is a heartless man who will crush all his opponents. Caitlyn loving with Cisco was hilarious. Cisco has the best reactions. The crisis of infinite Zooms! 
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Feb 24, 2016 03:42
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:King Shark looked great. Also did nothing wrong but Barry is a heartless man who will crush all his opponents. He did eat those Argus agents and destroyed the West living room.
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Feb 24, 2016 03:43
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howe_sam posted:He did eat those Argus agents and destroyed the West living room. Those agents were already about to get fired anyway  Also how much loving longer is Barry gonna go without telling Wally "hey man I'm the Flash."
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Feb 24, 2016 03:45
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So there are three Jays. The Jay in the helmet (allegedly), the Jay we know about and now Zoom!Jay. Guessing we're going to be heading straight into "Jay and Hunter are twins" territory.
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Feb 24, 2016 03:47
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I'm figuring that Flash!Jay, Iron Mask, and Zoom are all aspects of some sort of Velocity 6 and/or Particle Accelerator-related "split".
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Feb 24, 2016 04:05
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DoctorWhat posted:I'm figuring that Flash!Jay, Iron Mask, and Zoom are all aspects of some sort of Velocity 6 and/or Particle Accelerator-related "split". I'm thinking that he might be the real Hunter Zolomon. I keep thinking that the guy that Jay showed Caitlin in the park was a speed mirage but that would mean that Jay was in on it. I just don't know. I'm already enjoying this season but I just can't figure out how they're going to pull this off just yet. I'm excited to see.
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Feb 24, 2016 04:10
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I have really no idea how they will resolve this It's really confusing, like Clone Saga level confusing. Also, the guards calling King Shark Bruce is the best Jaws reference.
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Feb 24, 2016 04:11
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That Zoom reveal was obvious it hurt to watch
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Feb 24, 2016 04:25
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Just wanted to pop in and say Good Guess, every single poster in the thread : ]
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Feb 24, 2016 04:36
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Oh, one more thing: Caitlin loving with Cisco was amazing and should happen more often.
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Feb 24, 2016 04:46
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According to EP Andrew Kreisberg Zoom is most definitely "our" Jay Garrick and that yes, he's been playing them this entire time by lying about everything.
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Feb 24, 2016 04:47
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Jesus Xhrist, aside from the cool looking King Shark and Caitlyn being amusing and like one or two other things, this was poo poo. This Drama is TERRIBLE. At least Barry knows he's an idiot, but fat lot of good that'll do. I guess at least Barry mentioned he was concerned about Earth-2 being back in the clutches of Zoom. Everything else here is goddamned dumb. DUMB.
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Feb 24, 2016 05:09
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Oh my gods they did it. They actually did it. They had Jay in a mask watching Jay as Zoom drop off Jay's dead body. You glorious bastards. 
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Feb 24, 2016 05:10
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God I hate Barry at this point. He's just an rear end in a top hat. I think I'm pretty much done with this show until it has crossovers. The fact that they actually loving did it and made Jay be Zoom is just the straw that broke the camel's back. X-O fucked around with this message at 05:20 on Feb 24, 2016 |
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Feb 24, 2016 05:17
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Barry: "Felicity you used to call me on my cell phone  "
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Feb 24, 2016 05:19
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Drifter posted:Jesus Xhrist, aside from the cool looking King Shark and Caitlyn being amusing and like one or two other things, this was poo poo. Eh, everything with Wally was realistic and was resolved fairly quickly. Wells telling them not to tell the others about Earth-2 was kind of dumb but he was literally echoing what people ITT were saying and that lasted less than an episode anyway. You also got to see Barry act heroically, not really struggle with the bad guy, and give a big optimistic speech at the end.
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Feb 24, 2016 05:21
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What happened with Felicity in Arrow that they referenced? DId she get pregnant and her baby died? Oh goddamn that Zooom reveal is just goddamn stupid. Goddamn. Goddamnit.
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Feb 24, 2016 05:21
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Have we talked about great Cisco's shirts are lately? Because I need that goddamn Bowserzilla shirt.
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Feb 24, 2016 05:21
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Drifter posted:What happened with Felicity in Arrow that they referenced? DId she get pregnant and her baby died? She got shot in the spine and was/is paralyzed.
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Feb 24, 2016 05:22
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Drifter posted:What happened with Felicity in Arrow that they referenced? DId she get pregnant and her baby died? She got attacked by HIVE and is in a wheelchair.
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Feb 24, 2016 05:23
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Hahahahaha That's something she'll just have to roll with, I suppose.
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Feb 24, 2016 05:24
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Aphrodite posted:It's not really that Jay is Zoom. What people were predicting is that the Jay currently lying on the floor was the same person as Zoom. Wrong. The Jay we've known all along is Zoom. The EP confirmed it. It's stupid and lazy as gently caress.
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Feb 24, 2016 05:25
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X-O posted:Wrong. The Jay we've known all along is Zoom. The EP confirmed it. It's stupid and lazy as gently caress. EP?
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Feb 24, 2016 05:27
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Feb 24, 2016 05:27
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Executive Producer. quote:“Zoom’s identity has been revealed: He is Hunter Zolomon, a.k.a Jay Garrick,” executive producer Andrew Kreisberg tells EW.
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Feb 24, 2016 05:28
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Drifter posted:Hahahahaha Don't worry, she's about to be unparalyzed because the flarrow writers are hacks
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Feb 24, 2016 05:29
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WarLocke posted:New theory on Zoom and Mask Guy: From a few pages ago but this is the theory I like the most out of all of them and it just gained a little more ground. Please be this. e: oh it's not this... oh well.
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Feb 24, 2016 05:32
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Zutaten posted:From a few pages ago but this is the theory I like the most out of all of them and it just gained a little more ground. Please be this. Either that or Earth-2 Jay split himself into good & evil and the dead one is Earth-1 Jay/Hunter Zoloman.
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Koalas March posted:Don't worry, she's about to be unparalyzed because the flarrow writers are hacks Yes, comic books don't have a long history of super science being used to heal injurries.
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That EP saying that Jay is an integral part of the group sure doesn't know what the gently caress he's talking about. "Zoom infiltrated the group and became Barry's mentor," like what the poo poo, he has done nothing but bitch and moan and complain at Barry and maybe help with the portals - gently caress no he's not a teacher/role model for Barry (who is also a little bitch). Zoom: "Ah yes, my master plan is I am going to sneak into their group and then do nothing but throw hissy fits for months."
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Feb 24, 2016 05:37
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X-O posted:Executive Producer. Ah. It sort've explains certain things, like why he was so pissed about Wells showing up. And the explanation itself makes some sense, up to the point where Jay/Zoom apparently decides his best course of action is to be a totally whiney ineffectual stick in the mud. I feel like they were afraid it would be too obvious if "Jay" was more engaged with the ongoing plot, struggling with Wells for control of Barry's trust. So they put the mystery ahead of actual storytelling, and as a result the biggest thing Zoom accomplished infiltrating team Flash was to get Caitlin to make googoo eyes at him. ^^^ Yeah seriously, that sounds like a totally engaging season: two guys from another dimension struggling to gain influence over Barry and we don't know which to trust. Too bad we didn't actually get that season. Guy A. Person fucked around with this message at 05:42 on Feb 24, 2016 |
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twistedmentat posted:I have really no idea how they will resolve this It's really confusing, like Clone Saga level confusing. Oh man, loving  . Too true though. Assuming the EP is explaining this right, this makes even less sense than laser icicles.Scyantific posted:Also how much loving longer is Barry gonna go without telling Wally "hey man I'm the Flash." I'm honestly not sure that'd even improve their relationship at this point. Bad Moon posted:Barry: "Felicity you used to call me on my cell phone 
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I think I'm going to abandon Cisco/Laurel and jump on board the Cisco/Jessie Quick bus just to see Wells being Crisco's Father In Law.
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