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The first general debate will be Hillary and Trump greeting each other warmly followed by them, hand in hand, taking turns going over how they'll bring 1,000 years of socialism to America.
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DemeaninDemon posted:The first general debate will be Hillary and Trump greeting each other warmly followed by them, hand in hand, taking turns going over how they'll bring 1,000 years of socialism to America. Trump's argument will no doubt talk about how we need to think about socialism within the US before we can expand it outward though. A national socialism, if you will.
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Feb 24, 2016 09:00
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Trump's argument will no doubt talk about how we need to think about socialism within the US before we can expand it outward though. A national socialism, if you will. We'll win this time, though. We have nukes.
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Feb 24, 2016 09:08
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What are the chances of a major economic downturn or a terrorist attack on American soil before November? I could see an extraordinary event like one of those flipping people to Trump.
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Feb 24, 2016 09:52
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The current race for the GOP crown is fascinating for me. Trump is essentially upsetting all conventional wisdom (and especially in a way that Bernie is not), and all the pundits are searching for a way to explain why this New York elitist is taking a big old crap on the legacy of the Republican party, but none of them realize what the real reason is. Trump is where he's at because for years the Republican party has been courting the white working class by telling them the real problems with their lives is "welfare queens" and "illegals" and a lack of patriotism, and business is better than actual governance. None of these issues really reflect the reality of our post-industrial decline, but it speaks to the Republican base in a way that the only way forward is acute ideological purity. It's a vicious irony that the best exemplar of this racist, sexist, xenophobic analysis is best embodied by a notorious grifter who exploits our increasing fear of the future for his own personal gain. Since 2008 I've been hearing about how the Republicans would have won if only they had nominated a more conservative candidate. McCain wasn't conservative enough (even though he dragged Palin into the national spotlight). Romney wasn't conservative enough (even though he was pretty much Barry Goldwater reborn). And now they're falling for the epitome of everything they hate because he "says what's on his mind" and he's sticking it to the establishment. And they eat it all up because what Trump is saying confirms their darkest fears. It's like watching tankies defend Pravda. Your Dunkle Sans posted:What are the chances of a major economic downturn or a terrorist attack on American soil before November? I could see an extraordinary event like one of those flipping people to Trump. Actually shockingly high. China is due for a crash, the EU is in dissaray, and Wahhabists are super good at pushing westerner buttons. I really hope that Homeland Security is on their game right now...
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Feb 24, 2016 09:57
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:What are the chances of a major economic downturn or a terrorist attack on American soil before November? I could see an extraordinary event like one of those flipping people to Trump. I would at least think that Obama, and the people he's put in place, are more on the ball as far as addressing incoming terrorist threats on the scale of a 9/11, assuming that there was anything at all that could have been done to nip it in the bud.
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Feb 24, 2016 10:03
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:What are the chances of a major economic downturn or a terrorist attack on American soil before November? I could see an extraordinary event like one of those flipping people to Trump. The fun part is what will cause said economic crash: oil and China!
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AShamefulDisplay posted:The current race for the GOP crown is fascinating for me. Trump is essentially upsetting all conventional wisdom (and especially in a way that Bernie is not), and all the pundits are searching for a way to explain why this New York elitist is taking a big old crap on the legacy of the Republican party, but none of them realize what the real reason is. Trump is where he's at because for years the Republican party has been courting the white working class by telling them the real problems with their lives is "welfare queens" and "illegals" and a lack of patriotism, and business is better than actual governance. None of these issues really reflect the reality of our post-industrial decline, but it speaks to the Republican base in a way that the only way forward is acute ideological purity. It's a vicious irony that the best exemplar of this racist, sexist, xenophobic analysis is best embodied by a notorious grifter who exploits our increasing fear of the future for his own personal gain. Since 2008 I've been hearing about how the Republicans would have won if only they had nominated a more conservative candidate. McCain wasn't conservative enough (even though he dragged Palin into the national spotlight). Romney wasn't conservative enough (even though he was pretty much Barry Goldwater reborn). And now they're falling for the epitome of everything they hate because he "says what's on his mind" and he's sticking it to the establishment. And they eat it all up because what Trump is saying confirms their darkest fears. Trump succeeds because idiots want a fascist to solve their perceived problems and these same idiots are too unmotivated to make change in their own locale themselves. Everyone wants someone to tell them they are right and everyone else is wrong, when in fact if your neighborhood is poo poo you should start with unfucking yourself first, even if a lot of externalities could be blamed.
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Feb 24, 2016 11:18
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Remember when USPol goons thought he wouldn't even enter the race? Ok, so he entered the race, but USPol goons knew he'd never release his financials. Ok, so he released his financials, but he's a joke and would never poll better than other candidates. Ok, so he's polling better but he's not going to pick up states. Ok, so he's picking up states but he's not going to pick up other candidates demographics. Ok, so he's getting those demographics... Trump has preformed awful at almost all the debates and has only come off as doing well because the GOP lives in a post facts world. The difference between the dem debates and GOP debates is night and day. There is also the fact Trump has alienated everyone who isn't a white man so he also has that issue. Trump doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell in the general because his demographic doesn't decide elections.
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Feb 24, 2016 12:08
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Venom Snake posted:Trump has preformed awful at almost all the debates and has only come off as doing well because the GOP lives in a post facts world. The difference between the dem debates and GOP debates is night and day. There is also the fact Trump has alienated everyone who isn't a white man so he also has that issue. Trump doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell in the general because his demographic doesn't decide elections. The blacks love him, and frankly, we don't win anymore, so a lot of other people love him too. I heard this from someone just the other day, it's very interesting.
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Feb 24, 2016 12:31
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He has thousands of friends who are the blacks they will come out and make america great again. Those beautiful blacks.
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Feb 24, 2016 12:57
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Sylink posted:He has thousands of friends who are the blacks they will come out and make america great again. Those beautiful blacks. I hear there were hundreds of them cheering his name in the NJ streets the day the Freedom Tower was completed.
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Feb 24, 2016 13:32
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DemeaninDemon posted:The fun part is what will cause said economic crash: oil and China! China's economy imploding is going to make Trump's "China is killing us" platform seem kinda hollow though
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Feb 24, 2016 13:55
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A fascist candidate who focuses on running the minorities into camps is actually a shift to the left from the heartless international free trade Randroid stuff that's been walking around winning the base with the super fake evangelical act for a few decades. The conservative base is obviously nationalist and xenophobic and their party should be too. The guy is literally talking about protectionist trade policies. Better a fascist grifter than a free-market fundamentalist probably. edit: The "government hands off my Medicare!!!!" crowd doesn't demand austerity and doctrinaire economics, and it's good to see them abandoning those who do. shovelbum fucked around with this message at 14:02 on Feb 24, 2016 |
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Feb 24, 2016 14:00
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The doom and gloom on this thread is like icing on top or the Trump-brand cake. If you guys can't be happy about the fact that the GOP base has finally gone mad and placed an obvious donkey at the head of their ticket, then you all seriously need an attitude adjustment. Donald Trump will never be president.
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Feb 24, 2016 14:04
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:China's economy imploding is going to make Trump's "China is killing us" platform seem kinda hollow though He'll find a way to turn into a personal victory
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Feb 24, 2016 14:06
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Zeroisanumber posted:The doom and gloom on this thread is like icing on top or the Trump-brand cake. If you guys can't be happy about the fact that the GOP base has finally gone mad and placed an obvious donkey at the head of their ticket, then you all seriously need an attitude adjustment. I think he will lose to Hillary but I also think that bringing angry populist nationalism back to the gloomy lockstep Randroid free-trade RNC world will be really good for the conservative movement.
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Feb 24, 2016 14:08
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This thread is gonna be awesome when Trump starts gaining momentum in the general.
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Feb 24, 2016 14:08
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The Kingfish posted:This thread is gonna be awesome when Trump starts gaining momentum in the general. Yeah I wonder if bitter Bernie fans will refuse to vote for Clinton. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Feb 24, 2016 14:11
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Slow Graffiti posted:I hear there were hundreds of them cheering his name in the NJ streets the day the Freedom Tower was completed. This needs to turn into a Chuck Norris/Bill Brasky-like thing. I heard when Trump takes a poo poo, he flushes it straight into terrorist caves through a pipe network he had specially built for winning.
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Feb 24, 2016 14:15
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shovelbum posted:Yeah I wonder if bitter Bernie fans will refuse to vote for Clinton. We had similar hard feelings back in 2008, but most Hillary people came around to Obama by the time the election rolled around, if only to keep Sarah Palin out of the White House.
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Feb 24, 2016 14:16
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:China's economy imploding is going to make Trump's "China is killing us" platform seem kinda hollow though China's own reaction to its economy imploding would probably not be quiet and restrained, so he'd still have plenty to talk about.
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Feb 24, 2016 14:17
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shovelbum posted:Yeah I wonder if bitter Bernie fans will refuse to vote for Clinton. I'm not voting for her, but then again I don't live in one of the six or so states that actually matter.
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Feb 24, 2016 14:21
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I'm sure there will be some Bernie fans that will not follow Clinton but there's no way that if he loses the primary he won't encourage his supporters to shift to voting for her.
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Feb 24, 2016 14:22
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shovelbum posted:Yeah I wonder if bitter Bernie fans will refuse to vote for Clinton. So long as it is a clean win I don't see that being an issue. That said, I don't think this "Berniebros assaulted me and carved a B into my face!" poo poo is doing them any favors. There isn't any indication it is budging the needle at all and when it comes out as false it is just pissing people off. But I strongly suspect that's because of fuckwads like David Brock running around playing their own punching game. Caveat to this: this morning the pundits are tittering about a possible Clinton-Bloomberg ticket. This is probably just empty headed assholes pumping out some bullshit to meet their horse race deadline or quotient of faux serious bullshit and not someone from the Clinton campaign placing it as a trial balloon. But it is also a scenario in which I can see the Bernie supporters staying home, and I'd find it hard to blame them Fried Chicken fucked around with this message at 16:00 on Feb 24, 2016 |
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Feb 24, 2016 14:38
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The Kingfish posted:This thread is gonna be awesome when Trump starts gaining momentum in the general. It really really is. Trump still isn't winning the general but that first time there's a bump and it looks like he might is going to be beautiful.
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Feb 24, 2016 14:41
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Good Citizen posted:It really really is. Trump still isn't winning the general but that first time there's a bump and it looks like he might is going to be beautiful. Personally I'm waiting for the convention.
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Feb 24, 2016 15:08
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Radish posted:I'm sure there will be some Bernie fans that will not follow Clinton but there's no way that if he loses the primary he won't encourage his supporters to shift to voting for her. As people have pointed out, the demographic voting for Bernie are new voters and least-likely voters, so in that regard the ones who gently caress off are no big loss.
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Feb 24, 2016 15:14
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Is it at all possible, assuming Cruz cans his run, that Rubio could rally Cruz's supporters and his Establishment people to get a majority over Trump? Are Cruz's people likely to go to Rubio over Trump? What if it was the other way around and Rubio dropped? Would the establishment support Cruz despite hating his guts? Neither of these scenarios are likely, I'm just curious to know if they're even possible really.
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Feb 24, 2016 15:15
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Anchor Wanker posted:Is it at all possible, assuming Cruz cans his run, that Rubio could rally Cruz's supporters and his Establishment people to get a majority over Trump? Are Cruz's people likely to go to Rubio over Trump? What if it was the other way around and Rubio dropped? Would the establishment support Cruz despite hating his guts? It depends on if the assumption that Trump's ceiling is 30-40% holds. If that's true, then a 1-on-1 race means Trump loses.
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Anchor Wanker posted:Is it at all possible, assuming Cruz cans his run, that Rubio could rally Cruz's supporters and his Establishment people to get a majority over Trump? Are Cruz's people likely to go to Rubio over Trump? What if it was the other way around and Rubio dropped? Would the establishment support Cruz despite hating his guts? The crossover from Cruz people to Rubio people probably isn't high enough to challenge Trump. At this point they're holding out hope that Trump stumbles badly before Super Tuesday, but holding out hope for Trump to self-destruct hasn't proved to be a winning strategy so far.
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Feb 24, 2016 15:21
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Similar to the Bernie supporters not supporting Hillary I wonder if Trump supporters will line up behind Rubio. As people have stated many Trump supporters are believers in the White dominance of power and after 8 years of Obama are they going to support a minority even if he comes with a R next to his name?
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Feb 24, 2016 15:25
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FowlTheOwl posted:Similar to the Bernie supporters not supporting Hillary I wonder if Trump supporters will line up behind Rubio. As people have stated many Trump supporters are believers in the White dominance of power and after 8 years of Obama are they going to support a minority even if he comes with a R next to his name? Why would trump supporters line up behind anyone else? He's got the nomination virtually locked up. The trend of him having more votes than the rest of the field combined is going to continue. The question is will Cruz/Rubio supporters line up behind trump? And the answer is yes that more will line up behind him than the other guy.
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Dukakis lost whites 40/60, and Mondale lost 'em 34/66.
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Feb 24, 2016 15:31
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“You don’t win the nomination by how many states you win.” — Sen. Marco Rubio on Fox and Friends this morning. Someone wanna tell him?
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Feb 24, 2016 15:58
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shovelbum posted:A fascist candidate who focuses on running the minorities into camps is actually a shift to the left from the heartless international free trade Randroid stuff that's been walking around winning the base with the super fake evangelical act for a few decades. It says alot about randroids and free marketeers when hitler is the better choice.
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Feb 24, 2016 15:58
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zoux posted:“You don’t win the nomination by how many states you win.” He's the worst robot ever if he can't do math.
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https://twitter.com/PatrickSvitek/status/702497921787244545 Cruz was up by THIRTY a month ago.
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DemeaninDemon posted:He's the worst robot ever if he can't do math. It's just math that he does as a Republican to make himself feel better.
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shovelbum posted:Yeah I wonder if bitter Bernie fans will refuse to vote for Clinton. Unless they live in one of like 3 or 4 states, it makes not one whit of difference.
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