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Jmcrofts
Jan 7, 2008

just chillin' in the club
Lipstick Apathy

Microwaves Mom posted:

can you talk about what vtrigger countering is or wahtever? The half a vtrig thing? I have no idea how to do that. ALso wakeups IS there a long wakeup? I think theres a quick wakeup but I cant figure out what button makes me hop up fast.

Good suggestion, I'll talk about v reversal in an upcoming video.

If you still need help understanding the different types of wakeups, I cover it a little in this video

https://youtu.be/0YZ13vFgbwc

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dangerdoom volvo
Nov 5, 2009
vryus been murdering people online with laura, he makes her look really good

Carew
Jun 22, 2006
I got matched up with the same disconnecting Nash 4 times in a row. Guess he got tired of it and just let me have the win the 4th time.

Nodoze
Aug 17, 2006

If it's only for a night I can live without you

Evil Canadian posted:

well inbetween everyone constantly disconnecting on me, I done did up a birdie matchup chart. poo poo subject to change etc etc but I feel its accurate enough for the moment.



Birdie is a hard matchup for Cammy

man nurse
Feb 18, 2014


i can't beat survival mode on normal

GET IN THE ROBOT
Nov 28, 2007

JUST GET IN THE FUCKING ROBOT SHINJI

man nurse posted:

i can't beat survival mode on normal

same, I'm bad at games.

What makes it suck the worst is for the first 25 matches, the opponents are practically training dummies, then from 26 on they become input reading assholes. Then you lose at the last one and have to do all of that boring poo poo over again, complete with long load times.

I think I'm just gonna wait for march and buy the drat colors

man nurse
Feb 18, 2014


I just want more fight money :negative: I could breach 300,000 if I could get some normal survivals completed, but like you said, once you get to the final few rounds the game's just like nope.

RanKizama
Apr 22, 2015

Shinobi Heart

man nurse posted:

i can't beat survival mode on normal
I've managed to clear normal with Cammy, Karin, and Ryu. Hard beat the piss out of me in the mid-30s though.

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009

man nurse posted:

I just want more fight money :negative: I could breach 300,000 if I could get some normal survivals completed, but like you said, once you get to the final few rounds the game's just like nope.

There's an obvious jump in difficulty between 26 and 27 which keeps getting me, too. :v:

Help Im Alive
Nov 8, 2009

I watched Momochi beat survival on hard and he was only able to do it because he had the fight request thing on so he could bail out if he was about to lose (and even then he almost lost a ton of times in the 40s) It wouldn't be so bad if they didn't like giving you low health ups at the worst possible times

GET IN THE ROBOT
Nov 28, 2007

JUST GET IN THE FUCKING ROBOT SHINJI
Last night I played a few sets against a good Nash as Cammy and had a lot of trouble getting in. Mind you, the guy I played last night is a good player, Nash is a good character, and my skills are pretty subpar.

Spin Knuckle really doesn't seem to be a very good way of going through fireballs - especially when Nash's recovery is very fast and he can hit me with his vskill.

Throws also seem to be shorter range in this one, so my tick throw \ frame trap shenanigans from SF4 don't seem to be so effective here.

It doesn't seem like you can TK her divekicks anymore so I don't really have a reliable overhead.

Any thoughts on that matchup? So much of his stuff seems safe, too. Like that scythe thing looks like it should be way more unsafe than it is.

Help Im Alive posted:

I watched Momochi beat survival on hard and he was only able to do it because he had the fight request thing on so he could bail out if he was about to lose (and even then he almost lost a ton of times in the 40s) It wouldn't be so bad if they didn't like giving you low health ups at the worst possible times



So you can get through survival if you have fight request on? I haven't tried that.

AnonSpore
Jan 19, 2012

"I didn't see the part where he develops as a character so I guess he never developed as a character"
When a professional gamer feels the need to tweet about beating the cpu you know you poo poo's hosed up

bhsman posted:

So Patrick Miller (who is a great follow on Twitter and wrote a free e-book on learning fighting games that you should check out) tweeted about a Necalli player who made a public spreadsheet of most-efficient punishes for every character in the game for those of you interested.


Wolfkrone is a person I've heard some not-great things about (Something like giving SuperYan poo poo after her dog died for not being Christian and yelling at Yohosie for being a lesbian) so this isn't a good look for him.

You don't need to hear the not great things, you can just look at his twitter/facebook and see them for yourself

Dude is loving bonkers

AnonSpore fucked around with this message at 18:36 on Feb 24, 2016

hiddenriverninja
May 10, 2013

life is locomotion
keep moving
trust that you'll find your way

Lemon Curdistan posted:

Man, I really hope Makoto is a season 2 character.

Third Strike Makoto pls

Nodoze
Aug 17, 2006

If it's only for a night I can live without you

Gammatron 64 posted:

Last night I played a few sets against a good Nash as Cammy and had a lot of trouble getting in. Mind you, the guy I played last night is a good player, Nash is a good character, and my skills are pretty subpar.

Spin Knuckle really doesn't seem to be a very good way of going through fireballs - especially when Nash's recovery is very fast and he can hit me with his vskill.

Throws also seem to be shorter range in this one, so my tick throw \ frame trap shenanigans from SF4 don't seem to be so effective here.

It doesn't seem like you can TK her divekicks anymore so I don't really have a reliable overhead.

Any thoughts on that matchup? So much of his stuff seems safe, too. Like that scythe thing looks like it should be way more unsafe than it is.

You can TK them but only going forward, not neutral jump (which sucks rear end), and there is still a minimum height restriction (which also sucks rear end). They also aren't an overhead so he can just crouch block them, Cammy doesn't have an overhead

Jmcrofts
Jan 7, 2008

just chillin' in the club
Lipstick Apathy

AnonSpore posted:

When a professional gamer feels the need to tweet about beating the cpu you know you poo poo's hosed up


You don't need to hear the not great things, you can just look at his twitter/facebook and see them for yourself

Dude is loving bonkers

FightingStreet
Oct 21, 2012

Take it to the bank, boys.
Wolfkrone being a lovely person is kind of a bummer because I used to really enjoy watching his Viper

I feel like he tapered off a bit with Ultra though? Could be wrong, but I remember seeing him way more on streams in the AE 2012 days.

Help Im Alive posted:

I watched Momochi beat survival on hard and he was only able to do it because he had the fight request thing on so he could bail out if he was about to lose (and even then he almost lost a ton of times in the 40s) It wouldn't be so bad if they didn't like giving you low health ups at the worst possible times



Oh man I need to try that. I need those Vega colors.

Smirking_Serpent
Aug 27, 2009

man nurse posted:

i can't beat survival mode on normal

I've tried several times and it's made me so furious. Even when I got good luck with health recoveries and made it all the way to Bison, he just rushed me down and obliterated me before I could get anything going.

I just wish that they made a normal arcade mode with difficulty select and tied colors/titles to that, and then did a separate survival mode with infinite enemies and let you get BP from that. Right now it just seems like the worst of both worlds. It's like playing in the arcade but you're not allowed to put another credit in.

Yas
Apr 7, 2009

Anyone have good Birdie resources/videos? My hit confirms have been lk > lp > lp bull head. Block stings are just things like LK > c.LP > mk. In general I just abuse his great normals (mk, hk, f+hp and hp) and I've been using his vskill as a combo extender after ex bull head. Meter goes towards super and ex bull revenger for fireballs. Does all that sound about right or am I playing this dude all wrong?

fozzy fosbourne
Apr 21, 2010

Viscant said he did the hard survival with Chun Li by abusing her v-skill crossup. It seems like the key is finding something the AI is not good at dealing with and just pressing that button over and over. Some people say that mashing a good sweep from max range and some luck is all you need. :shrug:

Okita
Aug 31, 2004
King of toilets.

AnonSpore posted:

When a professional gamer feels the need to tweet about beating the cpu you know you poo poo's hosed up

Hard survival rank 44 Mika is a bitch. Three times she's cockblocked my ken. The one time I got her she took me to 5 hp and then a low health recovery showed up and 45 gief finished me off with a few random hits.

If I can get to loving 44 three times without fight request I can loving do it, it just sucks having to go through all that to practice against 44 Mika and her AI bullshit. Mika before 44 is a training dummy by comparison.

Colorspray
Aug 30, 2007

signalnoise posted:

Who's the character with the most uhhh I wanna say the word is deliberate gameplay? Carefully timed, low-combo attacks that have decent damage without having to pressure the poo poo out of the opponent with mixups, just dealing with the attacks that come with a large toolkit where you just use the right one for the attack?

I'm biased because I'm maining him (all characters can be deliberate) but I'd say Dhalsim fits the bill. Every one of his buttons is a specific tool for a specific purpose, with multiple anti airs (5lp, 4mp, 4hp, j.HP, lk.slide under, yoga flame) all for varying distances and situations. He has great mixup potential with tk teleports if you force the opponent to block a fireball, and excels at locking the opponents options at a distance. He's pretty drat good in this game, and the biggest hurdle in learning him is learning not to over commit to any one button. That seems to be the very definition of a deliberate character. Can also combo into super off TK teleport mixups for beefy damage.

Not a combo heavy character either, the bnbs I'd recommend learning are:
2hp, 4mk, yoga flame - nice combo if it lands, if blocked 4mk can frametrap if opponent is mashing jab

5lp, 5lp ex-yoga flame - hit confirm with 3frame startup, great for resetting distance

tk teleport, j.hp, 4mk, yoga flame - bnb mixup best after forcing an opponent to block a fireball, can use hitconfirms to opt-end into a teleport away if first hit is blocked - if it lands you can cancel into super on reaction. I believe you can use 2hp instead of 4mk for a frame trap setup, but the timing is a lot tighter

crush counter hK, hk - best ranged crush counter combo I can find without meter. you can also hk slide after the crush counter for a knockdown, but I prefer to maintain spacing

crush counter hk, mkslide, vtrigger - great punish that ends in the opponent recovering in flames, your opponent does not want stand there blocking so its easier to predict any other action you're trying to bait out

and 4mk is pretty great for fishing counter hits if you spot your opponent likes to press buttons. both blocked 5lp and 2HP into 4mk yoga flame are frametrap setups

blocked 5lp, 5lk yoga flame is another frametrap setup up close


welp, there's my effort post on dhalsim. Feel free to tear me apart with more optimal setups

Evil Canadian
Sep 10, 2000

No one man should have all that Psycho-Power.

Nodoze posted:

Birdie is a hard matchup for Cammy

Yeahhhh no. Cammy is effectively the only character that can circumvent his amazing anti air with all the awkward angles and delayed timing she can hit from, and once she's in(which is easy to do for her) its incredibly uphill for Birdie.

I mean if you wanna play footsies against him sure, Cammy would lose, but why do that when she can bypass it easily enough.

Peewi
Nov 8, 2012

Is there anywhere you can see all the colors, to help decide how much effort I want to put into survival?

Ryuga Death
May 14, 2008

There's gotta be one more bell to crack
Fun Shoe

Peewi posted:

Is there anywhere you can see all the colors, to help decide how much effort I want to put into survival?

http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2016/feb/16/how-unlock-new-character-colors-street-fighter-5/

Should be everyone in that link.

Evil Canadian
Sep 10, 2000

No one man should have all that Psycho-Power.

Yas posted:

Anyone have good Birdie resources/videos? My hit confirms have been lk > lp > lp bull head. Block stings are just things like LK > c.LP > mk. In general I just abuse his great normals (mk, hk, f+hp and hp) and I've been using his vskill as a combo extender after ex bull head. Meter goes towards super and ex bull revenger for fireballs. Does all that sound about right or am I playing this dude all wrong?

As for Combos the vid I made here is basically all you will need to know unless something amazing gets discovered:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tt7L2JfuSzA

But yeah you are doing good, just maybe watch it on the hp and f+hp, both can be punished if you are too close.

*ed*

Oh and use more slide, always use more slide its his best move.

InnercityGriot
Dec 31, 2008
[quote="Gammatron 64" post=""456658187"]

So you can get through survival if you have fight request on? I haven't tried that.
[/quote]

Yeah, it's one of the keys to Hard. I can consistently get into the forty range in hard survival, but it relies on doing some real cheap, stupid poo poo, and I still haven't figured out how the gently caress to beat forty two Laura or forty six vega without stupid rear end luck.


Here are the strats: always be crossing the CPU up, and have a good damage cross up combo. The Cpu will always anti air with a normal until the late rounds and are free to cross ups on their wakeup. Set fight request to ask so you can take a fight when things are going bad, unfortunately this isn't bulletproof because the matchmaking sometimes takes too long to save you in the late stages. Spam invincible reversals on your wakeup. After like stage twenty, start always taking either life power ups or defense, that's it.

hiddenriverninja
May 10, 2013

life is locomotion
keep moving
trust that you'll find your way


The battle costumes have different color options for each number too

ZenVulgarity
Oct 9, 2012

I made the hat by transforming my zen

http://tampaneversleeps.com/tns-6.html

Anyone going to be there this weekend?

Hydrocodone
Sep 26, 2007

Cat Machine posted:

i had a really fun round 2 in this match, mindgames own

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Srf35ndAQ20&t=110s

Why the hell didn't this end with a grab? Still love it.

flatluigi
Apr 23, 2008

here come the planes
Anyone wanna toss me a link of a really good player playing chun?

dangerdoom volvo
Nov 5, 2009

flatluigi posted:

Anyone wanna toss me a link of a really good player playing chun?

no link but nuki plays chun because hes a 3s style tier whore

Jmcrofts
Jan 7, 2008

just chillin' in the club
Lipstick Apathy

flatluigi posted:

Anyone wanna toss me a link of a really good player playing chun?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toVBWcNHDHU

Click the timestamps in the description for every Nuki match

fozzy fosbourne
Apr 21, 2010

Tokido seems to be playing her on ranked now

bhsman
Feb 10, 2008

by exmarx

AnonSpore posted:

You don't need to hear the not great things, you can just look at his twitter/facebook and see them for yourself

Dude is loving bonkers

I had him preemptively blocked on Twitter. \:shobon:/

fozzy fosbourne
Apr 21, 2010

flatluigi posted:

Anyone wanna toss me a link of a really good player playing chun?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewBfmIsDxmA

That's Tokido

Agoat
Dec 4, 2012

I AM BAD AT GAMES
Lipstick Apathy

ZenVulgarity posted:

http://tampaneversleeps.com/tns-6.html

Anyone going to be there this weekend?

I wanted to so bad but I couldn't get the day off.

Constellation I
Apr 3, 2005
I'm a sucker, a little fucker.

flatluigi posted:

Anyone wanna toss me a link of a really good player playing chun?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOgfxCwQd1Y

This is more Alioune styling on someone, but it's fun to watch.

keithy george
Jan 8, 2008

Do games keep having that weird vsync bug that Starcraft 2 had where it was frying GPUs in the menu?

On PS4 my fan is silent until the static pose at the end of a match, where the fans rocket up to full speed until you get out of the fight. The same thing would happen in the helicopter in MGS V. It's like there's so little to render, the system starts spitting out hundreds of frames a second? That was the Starcraft problem anyway...

Help Im Alive
Nov 8, 2009

I think there's something wrong with your PS4

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Revelant
Jul 27, 2007

Ask me about my male escort services. 30% Discounts for Goons.
I need help, as a decent laura player I am getting trounced by a good Karin player.

Any Karin players want to clue me in on her weaknesses.

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