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Tots
Sep 3, 2007

:frogout:

dino. posted:

My friend runs a wine stand at a farmer's market near where she lives. The winery she works for has locations all over the state, and people will buy depending on all sorts of things: the weather, holidays coming up, and all kinds of other factors. For her, she just pays for a bottle of each of the wines she lets people taste, and the cost of the stall space itself (around $30 a week, or so). The rest is pretty straight forward, since she's selling stuff in sealed containers, and just has to be sure to check for ID. NJ has weird liquor laws, and this particular town allows wineries who produce wine entirely in NJ to sell at farmer's markets. But because the winery she works at covers most of the expenses, she's not got a lot of stuff to think about.

In the wealthier areas, people are willing to spend more money at the farmer's market to grab a few things that are pre cooked, but you'll also get WAY more demands for allergy friendly, vegan, gluten free, etc as opposed to ones in the middle of nowhere. In NJ, they require that any food sold at the farmer's market that's pre cooked needs to be done in a department of health certified facility, and NOT at your home. Then you need a permit to sell the food, and that costs various amounts, depending on the locale. I think I recall one of the ladies who was selling pork buns at the farmer's market my friend works at paid a couple hundred dollars a year for the permit. She knows someone (family) who owns a restaurant, so he lets her use his kitchen to make the food. Then she seals it up right there, and brings it out to sell at the market. If you don't know someone with a certified kitchen, it can get a lot trickier to get into one. This is the biggest barrier (depending on your state's laws) to selling food you've /cooked/. Selling vegetables you've grown, or flowers you grow, or handicrafts that you make is a lot easier.

This farmer's market I mentioned charges like $30 a week to have your stand. Or, you can buy a seasonal pass, or a 1 year pass, depending, and get like 30% - 50% discounted on the weekly costs. Your mileage will vary. From speaking to the people there, they make their operating costs back and then some when it's busy, but they don't ever want to give up their day job. Even the pork bun lady, who clears like $1,500 on a normal day keeps up with her regular job during the week, because there were weekends where she made like $100 a day, and that had to cover all her expenses. Those are the worst days, because she has all this leftover food, which is not going to last (since it's highly perishable), and ends up giving the people in the other stands the rest.

You will (depending on the state) need a business registered with the state, so that your earnings are reported, and your personal property is not liable in court in case someone gets sick and sues. Even if it's a sole proprietorship, or LLC (which costs like $50 or so a year to register in NJ), you'll want that business to operate under.

The worst was when I was there, and the skies opened up and torrential rains started beating down. It had been a crap day, and nobody was doing very well. The lady who sold home made soaps basically lost all her products, because they all got wet from the sudden rain. She basically handed out like 10 or so bars for the other stalls, because she couldn't sell it once it had gotten that wet.

From what I hear from the people there, it's a rewarding thing to do, to have instant feedback about your food. It sometimes can provide a little extra mad money to save up for a trip or something. But for it to be a full time business is a bit more difficult to manage, unless you're working the Farmer's Market in Union Square in Manhattan, where there's all that foot traffic 7 days a week.

Hey man, this was a great write up. Thanks a ton for all this info. It looks like my biggest obstacle (for the time being) is going to be figuring out how the hell to prepare food in a commercially licensed kitchen. Going to start hitting up my work network to see if I know anyone with that kind of access.

If I actually get this off the ground at all I'll make a thread so everyone can follow along.

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Trebuchet King
Jul 5, 2005

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edit: I forgot to quote Midniter, this is places to eat in DC:


Alright, then I'm going to drop a shameless plug for my place of employment, Mr. Henry's. Apologies for the crudeness/mobile-unfriendliness of the website (I think I killed all the .pdf-only menus, at least) but on the entertainment page we've got all the acts out to about mid-April. You can book a table for the Fri/Sat acts but it's through a yelp thing which is different enough from opentable to be unintuitive (or I can receive PMs).

Other places that own in DC:
- You'll be told to go to Founding Farmers almost certainly. Heed this advice, but for breakfast on a weekday. They serve it from 7-11. Any other time and the place is too chaotic to really enjoy it. AVOID BRUNCH.
- Cafe Mozart. Yes, they named a German restaurant after an Austrian. The front half is a neat little import grocery and the back half is an excellent restaurant that can have a couple dressed to the nines at a table next a casually dressed family and have neither one look out of place. There's a lady who provides live accordion some nights (I'm not sure which) but she's a hoot.
- Teaism. They have multiple locations now but the only one I'm familiar with is the one near the Spy Museum. It's pretty solid, I usually go for one of their bento box plates (not pinku, sadly) and a small hot sake. They have a koi pond in the basement dining room.

That's what I can think of for now, if I have more thoughts I'll share them.

Trebuchet King fucked around with this message at 17:02 on Feb 23, 2016

Squashy Nipples
Aug 18, 2007

Does DC still have the fish market? I remember getting some amazing fresh boiled shrimp there.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013
Probation
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Trebuchet King posted:

Alright, then I'm going to drop a shameless plug for my place of employment, Mr. Henry's. Apologies for the crudeness/mobile-unfriendliness of the website (I think I killed all the .pdf-only menus, at least) but on the entertainment page we've got all the acts out to about mid-April. You can book a table for the Fri/Sat acts but it's through a yelp thing which is different enough from opentable to be unintuitive (or I can receive PMs).

The Goon Bump (TM) appears to have crashed your site.

Disregard, working now.

Trebuchet King
Jul 5, 2005

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Squashy Nipples posted:

Does DC still have the fish market? I remember getting some amazing fresh boiled shrimp there.

It does--it is adjacent, however, to a tremendous redevelopment project that will, in its next phase, provide new docks and such for the fish market docks. There's more parking now but it's a bit of a mess in the area traffic-wise thanks to the giant loving crevasse now next to it.

Squashy Nipples
Aug 18, 2007

Trebuchet King posted:

It does--it is adjacent, however, to a tremendous redevelopment project that will, in its next phase, provide new docks and such for the fish market docks. There's more parking now but it's a bit of a mess in the area traffic-wise thanks to the giant loving crevasse now next to it.

I went to college with a guy from Smith Island, and his family ran a shrimp stall at the market. When we showed up, they got super excited, "Billy-bob-boy! Come get you some shrimp!" (I knew him as "Bill")

They gave us a huge portion of boiled shrimp with a spice mix on it, if it wasn't Old Bay seasoning, then it was something close.

Captain Bravo
Feb 16, 2011

An Emergency Shitpost
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...but experts warn it is
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The last time I was in DC I ate at a subway (I don't remember which one) and it was terrible. Don't eat at that subway, whichever one it was.

I'm glad to have helped you! :thumbsup:

Trebuchet King
Jul 5, 2005

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I usually use a pouch of Zatatin's crab boil for shrimp.

Also, one of barges at the fish market has absolutely fantastic cakes and pies--Jimmy's with the green awning, right in the middle. If you order a slice it's like $6 and you get an absurdly large portion.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013
Probation
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Someone in the DC/MD area tell me if Il Pizzico is still as good as I remember it.

Croatoan
Jun 24, 2005

I am inevitable.
ROBBLE GROBBLE

Flash Gordon Ramsay posted:

Go to Michel Richard's place and if you're lucky he'll rub your wife's shoulders while he tells you about his blond ex wives.

I'm assuming this happened. Awkward.

Steve Yun
Aug 7, 2003
I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.
Soiled Meat

Discendo Vox posted:

Someone in the DC/MD area tell me if Il Pizzico is still as good as I remember it.

freeliving froglet can't browse SA at work but she says it's still great

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013
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Steve Yun posted:

freeliving froglet can't browse SA at work but she says it's still great

All is well with the world.

Founding Farmers can go vote for Jeb!- when I ate there the service was spotty, the food was mediocre and the menu was a giant wall of naturalistic fallacies.

EVG
Dec 17, 2005

If I Saw It, Here's How It Happened.
Three days in San Francisco. What do I eat? (might make it to Berkeley, but no real plan - most likely to stay in the main city area)

Flash Gordon Ramsay
Sep 28, 2004

Grimey Drawer

Croatoan posted:

I'm assuming this happened. Awkward.

Not as awkward as you'd think. I mean, I was just happy the jolly old chef was talking to us.

rgocs
Nov 9, 2011

Flash Gordon Ramsay posted:

Not as awkward as you'd think. I mean, I was just happy the jolly old chef was talking to us.

And your wife got a free massage, so, win-win I guess? =)

Trebuchet King
Jul 5, 2005

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Discendo Vox posted:

All is well with the world.

Founding Farmers can go vote for Jeb!- when I ate there the service was spotty, the food was mediocre and the menu was a giant wall of naturalistic fallacies.

I used to work there so I feel obliged to apologize

If you get me drunk enough I can talk at length about the craziness of hiring and training or some of the management characters

i recommend breakfast because it's the only time things aren't loving crazy and everyone's stressed out and leaning on each other to be faster, faster! and you can sit at the bar and have a beer and some eggs benedict or pancakes and chill.

Drink and Fight
Feb 2, 2003

EVG posted:

Three days in San Francisco. What do I eat? (might make it to Berkeley, but no real plan - most likely to stay in the main city area)

Tommy's Mexican for homestyle Yucatan food and amazing margaritas. Z&Y for amazing Szechuan. Hog Island for seafood. Kiss for sushi. Ask for more recommendations.

CARL MARK FORCE IV
Sep 2, 2007

I took a walk. And threw up in an English garden.
Anyone have a favorite guide to homemade pasta? Just scored an Imperia crank pasta machine for $30 at a thrift store after years of rolling out egg noodles with a wine bottle, ready to move on up to the next level.

AnonSpore
Jan 19, 2012

"I didn't see the part where he develops as a character so I guess he never developed as a character"

CARL MARK FORCE IV posted:

Anyone have a favorite guide to homemade pasta? Just scored an Imperia crank pasta machine for $30 at a thrift store after years of rolling out egg noodles with a wine bottle, ready to move on up to the next level.

http://www.seriouseats.com/recipes/2015/01/fresh-egg-pasta.html

I like this, with the caveat that I do the eggs first and then measure out the flour to match the ratio. Eggs weight * 0.65 gets me good dough that doesn't stick and is really consistent.

theres a will theres moe
Jan 10, 2007


Hair Elf

The Midniter posted:

My wife and I will be visiting her friend in DC late next month. What are some food recommendations? Any cuisine, and price point, any locale, we'll take them all.

Sardi's chicken near greenbelt. Probably $10ish a head. Peruvian charcoal roasted chicken and South American sides. Very casual but the food is great.

Squashy Nipples
Aug 18, 2007

AnonSpore posted:

http://www.seriouseats.com/recipes/2015/01/fresh-egg-pasta.html

I like this, with the caveat that I do the eggs first and then measure out the flour to match the ratio. Eggs weight * 0.65 gets me good dough that doesn't stick and is really consistent.

I'm sure this is a great recipe, but you can totally just wing it if you want... I do. Just make a mound of flour, dump an egg or two, sprinkle on some salt, and start kneading. Knead in some water to adjust the consistency. It's not fool proof, but pasta is a lot more forgiving then most people think.

drgitlin
Jul 25, 2003
luv 2 get custom titles from a forum that goes into revolt when its told to stop using a bad word.

The Midniter posted:

My wife and I will be visiting her friend in DC late next month. What are some food recommendations? Any cuisine, and price point, any locale, we'll take them all.

Good news! There is an entire DC dining thread for you to peruse.

AnonSpore
Jan 19, 2012

"I didn't see the part where he develops as a character so I guess he never developed as a character"

Squashy Nipples posted:

I'm sure this is a great recipe, but you can totally just wing it if you want... I do. Just make a mound of flour, dump an egg or two, sprinkle on some salt, and start kneading. Knead in some water to adjust the consistency. It's not fool proof, but pasta is a lot more forgiving then most people think.

Not for me. If I add in even half an ounce more flour than the recipe specified it turns into crumbs that never clump, and if I have even half an ounce less then the dough becomes a sticky mess and I have to basically flour the poo poo out of it to keep it from clumping as I cut it. I dunno why it happens when by all accounts pasta should be, as you said, able to be done by eye. :shrug:

Squashy Nipples
Aug 18, 2007

AnonSpore posted:

Not for me. If I add in even half an ounce more flour than the recipe specified it turns into crumbs that never clump, and if I have even half an ounce less then the dough becomes a sticky mess and I have to basically flour the poo poo out of it to keep it from clumping as I cut it. I dunno why it happens when by all accounts pasta should be, as you said, able to be done by eye. :shrug:

Meh, we all have our weak spots. I still measure for a lot of things.

pile of brown
Dec 31, 2004
That's pretty weird though... how many yolks do you usually use?

DARPA Dad
Dec 9, 2008

The Midniter posted:

My wife and I will be visiting her friend in DC late next month. What are some food recommendations? Any cuisine, and price point, any locale, we'll take them all.

Kinship. Convivial. Those two are so good the rest almost don't matter. Get yourself to Eden Center for some good Vietnamese food. Not dining, but make sure to hit the open air fish market down by the wharf and get some crabs to steam.

Phummus
Aug 4, 2006

If I get ten spare bucks, it's going for a 30-pack of Schlitz.
I will be in Las Vegas next Mon-Wed. Any recommendations? I'll be on foot and probably staying at the Venetian. Any locals want to grab a bite?

Squashy Nipples
Aug 18, 2007

Phummus posted:

I will be in Las Vegas next Mon-Wed.

The Pizza Convention?

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Squashy Nipples posted:

The Pizza Convention?

That's a thing???

drgitlin
Jul 25, 2003
luv 2 get custom titles from a forum that goes into revolt when its told to stop using a bad word.

DARPA Dad posted:

Kinship. Convivial. Those two are so good the rest almost don't matter. Get yourself to Eden Center for some good Vietnamese food. Not dining, but make sure to hit the open air fish market down by the wharf and get some crabs to steam.

TBH I was a bit underwhelmed by Convivial. The fried chicken coq au vin is a nice idea, but the breading was very thick, rather soggy, and detached from the chicken the moment it felt my knife.

Looking forward to trying out the Dabney in a couple of weeks though.

DARPA Dad
Dec 9, 2008

drgitlin posted:

TBH I was a bit underwhelmed by Convivial. The fried chicken coq au vin is a nice idea, but the breading was very thick, rather soggy, and detached from the chicken the moment it felt my knife.

Looking forward to trying out the Dabney in a couple of weeks though.

That's too bad. The coq au vin I had was the exact opposite of what you described. Could have been an off night.

Squashy Nipples
Aug 18, 2007

Xoidanor posted:

That's a thing???

Yes, and it's enormous: fills up half of the Vegas convention center.
My buddy with the pizza shop is going this year so he can shop for a new pizza oven.

http://www.pizzaexpo.com/

Phummus
Aug 4, 2006

If I get ten spare bucks, it's going for a 30-pack of Schlitz.

Squashy Nipples posted:

The Pizza Convention?

Sadly, no. HIMSS

bartolimu
Nov 25, 2002


Phummus posted:

I will be in Las Vegas next Mon-Wed. Any recommendations? I'll be on foot and probably staying at the Venetian. Any locals want to grab a bite?

Bouchon in the Venetian for breakfast, or any meal really. Between shifts they have a reduced menu and you can sit at the bar, which is worth doing because they have a decent beer list and make great cocktails. Order the $6 olive plate, it's the best $6 thing on the Strip.

Do your expense account dinner at Carnevino (Palazzo). Walk over to the Cosmopolitan for Jaleo, China Poblano, Milos, Secret Pizza, or Holstein's.

Public House (hallway between Venetian and Palazzo) is the Strip beer bar with the best selection, but expect to pay Strip prices. Their food is decent too but two can't eat/drink for less than $100.

Walk to Tacos el Gordo, Strip Edition for legitimately Tijuana style tacos. Expect lines. They're that good.

Take a taxi to Downtown Vegas. They'll no doubt drop you off at the Fremont Street canopy. Walk along Fremont away from the siren's song of terrible touristy poo poo. Wander the Container Park (turn right at the giant iron preying mantis) and have a cocktail at Oak and Ivy. Under no circumstances eat at any place in the Container Park, they are are all mediocre to execrable. Walk a couple of blocks farther down Fremont (past the old Western Casino, now a Zappo's warehouse) to Atomic Liquors and find the best bar in Vegas. Places to eat downtown: Chow (newest, vouched for by people I trust), Carson Kitchen (they have a turducken pot pie with schmaltz biscuits), Glutton (not as good as Carson but one block east of them and easier to get into)

Take a taxi to Chada Street in Chinatown. The money spent on the ride will be made up for by the amount you didn't spend on food.

And yeah, PM me and maybe we can work something out.

bongwizzard
May 19, 2005

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He came to me and said,
"Hard work good and hard work fine,
but first take care of head"
Grimey Drawer

Squashy Nipples posted:

Yes, and it's enormous: fills up half of the Vegas convention center.
My buddy with the pizza shop is going this year so he can shop for a new pizza oven.

http://www.pizzaexpo.com/

I did an exhibit at the liquor/bar show in the other half of the center last year or the year before. The pizza guys kept coming over to try and trade with us but the union bartenders were having none of it. I did get a con pass from one of my hands so I got to wander around and stuff my face for a while.

Steve Yun
Aug 7, 2003
I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.
Soiled Meat
Speaking of Las Vegas it looks like Momofuku and Milk Bar are going to expand there

http://laist.com/2016/02/25/momofuku_las_vegas.php

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mindphlux
Jan 8, 2004

by R. Guyovich
does anyone know about making ho fun (those flat chewy rice noodles in char kway teow / tons of poo poo)?

my gal and I tried tonight and couldn't get it right. we steamed a rice batter, but it just tasted... like uncooked flour mostly. one batch we made was almost cakey. if we did it thin enough, it was close - but not a success. tried a few different recipies / ratios.

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

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Does anyone plan on doing a St Patrick's Day meal?

My family usually does corned beef and colcannon and/or neeps and tatties.

I'm going to be doing the dinner this year, for the second time ever. Last year I stayed safe and did the above, but I'm looking to add some interest if anyone has ideas.

Squashy Nipples
Aug 18, 2007

Mrs. Squashy got a book to review, and it's pretty awesome.

Churrasco: Grilling the Brazilian Way
http://www.amazon.com/Churrasco-Grilling-Brazilian-Evandro-Caregnato/dp/1423640683/

More of a coffee table book then a cook book, lots of gorgeous pictures and interesting stuff to read. The Mrs really doesn't like looking at meat, but even she likes the pics.

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Phummus
Aug 4, 2006

If I get ten spare bucks, it's going for a 30-pack of Schlitz.
Vegas Dining Roundup:

Dinner night one: Wynn Buffet (paid by vendor who is courting me)

Breakfast day two: Bouchon. The convention was in the venetian, so I sat at the bar. Ticket times were understandably long, but the food was great.

Lunch day two: Ra Sushi at Fashion Show.

Dinner Day Two: Spago. Another vendor who was courting me took me here. Long waits and they kept getting things wrong. Brought out a beet salad with no beets. Brought out a tartare that nobody ordered then took it off our table directly to the table that ordered it. Weird. I got duck breast, which was pretty tasty.

Breakfast Day 3: Mon Ami Gabi at Paris. I got the corned beef hash and ate on the patio. It was nice, but oddly was pricier than Bouchon.

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