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Pyronic posted:Well, they were like actually immortal before werent' they? They used to be ageless at a minimum and have far greater powers (they died all the time, so they certainly weren't immortal). It was retconned for story reasons, of course - they wanted to put Planeswalkers on cards and "unaging gods" was probably a bit much. It also seemed to be a lot easier for non-Planeswalkers to move from plane to plane before the Mending thing, too.
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It's okay, they'll set Emrakul on fire too, then they'll set Nicol Bolas on fire, and then they'll set all of New Phyrexia on fire. Turns out you can solve any problem by setting it on fire.
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Man how would they even do the guild model with a two-set block edit: Jaya Ballard posted:Turns out you can solve any problem by setting it on fire.
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Pyronic posted:Well, they were like actually immortal before werent' they? Yeah, pre-mending planeswalker's were just immortal. Their body was really just an extension of their will and could be any age they wanted.
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Feb 24, 2016 19:08
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Structural Distortion seems like a pretty big hint. Distortion is Kozilek's thing and that card is clearly Nahiri loving poo poo up
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dragon enthusiast posted:Man how would they even do the guild model with a two-set block pretty easily since 10 guilds splits into 5 each set
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I kind of wish I had been around for the Urza's Saga lore. I recall when he, Taysir, and Daria et al were invading Phyrexia with Giant Robots that they had collapsed planes to use as bombs built into the mechsuits. Then Urza had a twenty minute conversation with Yawgmoth and then decided to abandon the obsession of his entire life to kill Yawgmoth and destroy Phyrexia and instead joined him. I think he then tried to detonate the bombs inside the mechsuits but Taysir managed to disarm all of them except his. Yawgmoth is/was a pretty interesting character. Utterly covetous of the planeswalker spark that he could never have, but in the end so much more powerful than any old-walker(Funny story, supposedly Yawgmoth had so much black mana in his being that his mere entry into another plane would irrevocably poison it.) A character defined by irony is pretty basic, but you don't see any of that in the new Power Rangers. By the way, do the New Phyrexians actually know about Yawgmoth, or do they still view Karn as their creator? A big flaming stink fucked around with this message at 19:12 on Feb 24, 2016 |
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Structural Distortion seems like a pretty big hint. My favorite Structural Distortion song is I Was Wrong. Mike Ness Jace is gonna be the best Jace yet
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mandatory lesbian posted:pretty easily since 10 guilds splits into 5 each set Okay, but would you then have two "big" sets then? How would you draft something like that
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A big flaming stink posted:Didn't get theorized that just like the broods could be considered as individual cells from the Titan's projection on the plane, the Eldrazi Titans themselves could be cells of one overarching being? Yeah, that's a possibility that hasn't been technically ruled out yet, but the fact is that so far every time they've had a choice with the [new] Eldrazi storyline, they've taken the fork in the road towards Dumbtown. I guess there are only two real data points so far in this particular sequence (The Titans aren't actually dead -> Yes they are; There's a definite consequence to killing them this way -> No there isn't), but the rest of recent history doesn't offer much more hope. It's funny that you mention Elspeth's death, but the cards' involvement notwithstanding that was actually an anomalistic bright spot (so to speak) in the recent storyline. Just a shame Elspeth had to be the one who died, but I'll take a sympathetic character who has to die to show their tragic flaws over being smugged at repeatedly by the stand-in for a particularly annoying sort of reader. e: I guess there's actually at least three dumb decisions so far, because "hey let's wrap this all up in one small set instead of letting it breathe" was the first one JerryLee fucked around with this message at 19:18 on Feb 24, 2016 |
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Madmarker posted:Yeah, pre-mending planeswalker's were just immortal. Their body was really just an extension of their will and could be any age they wanted. Never mind that Urza was actually two rocks that held Glacian's Spark but somehow Urza the artificer's will/personality. Angry Grimace posted:
From what I can tell special ships / devices / portals were needed in each case. A big flaming stink posted:I kind of wish I had been around for the Urza's Saga lore. I recall when he, Taysir, and Daria et al were invading Phyrexia with Giant Robots that they had collapsed planes to use as bombs built into the mechsuits. Then Urza had a twenty minute conversation with Yawgmoth and then decided to abandon the obsession of his entire life to kill Yawgmoth and destroy Phyrexia and instead joined him. Is this some planar chaos version of invasion block that you're citing because I'm pretty sure the bombs did go off after Tevesh Szat killed two of the other planeswalkers and Urza was like ok you're the bomb now. Zoness fucked around with this message at 19:15 on Feb 24, 2016 |
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dragon enthusiast posted:Okay, but would you then have two "big" sets then? How would you draft something like that it would probably be two large sets and you draft them separate, thats what they've done in the past
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mandatory lesbian posted:it would probably be two large sets and you draft them separate, thats what they've done in the past They only did that because the assumption was that you'd draft all three in DGM. Kinda have a hard time believing they'd make what is essentially two single-set blocks that have no cross-pollination between the two asides from flavor
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JerryLee posted:It's funny that you mention Elspeth's death, but the cards' involvement notwithstanding that was actually an anomalistic bright spot (so to speak) in the recent storyline. Just a shame Elspeth had to be the one who died, but I'll take a sympathetic character who has to die to show their tragic flaws over being smugged at repeatedly by the stand-in for a particularly annoying sort of reader. Oh yeah, the entire manner of Elspeth's death and the details surrounding it fit the Greek downfall of the hero to a T. It also tied into her experiences in NPH where she was forcibly ejected from the plane by Koth IIRC. I'm not actually sure if it was ever mentioned in the plotline, but that sort of thing could lead to a serious survivor guilt complex.
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dragon enthusiast posted:They only did that because the assumption was that you'd draft all three in DGM. Kinda have a hard time believing they'd make what is essentially two single-set blocks that have no cross-pollination between the two asides from flavor So GGR then, I don't see why that wouldn't work
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dragon enthusiast posted:They only did that because the assumption was that you'd draft all three in DGM. Kinda have a hard time believing they'd make what is essentially two single-set blocks that have no cross-pollination between the two asides from flavor Why would that be necessarily no cross-pollination? RGD had a 4/3/3 guild structure and 3 color support for drafting 3 guilds. Bloodthirst worked very well with Graft in RUG while the UWx color combos worked well on being spread out on three different sets with powerful white and blue cards Zoness fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Feb 24, 2016 |
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A big flaming stink posted:Oh yeah, the entire manner of Elspeth's death and the details surrounding it fit the Greek downfall of the hero to a T. It also tied into her experiences in NPH where she was forcibly ejected from the plane by Koth IIRC. I'm not actually sure if it was ever mentioned in the plotline, but that sort of thing could lead to a serious survivor guilt complex. Yeah, that's the other thing I was just thinking, it fits in perfectly with the theme of Greek tragedy and the capriciousness/jealousy of the gods. Theros block was really a bright spot in a lot of ways, especially compared to what's come more recently.
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Zoness posted:Never mind that Urza was actually two rocks that held Glacian's Spark but somehow Urza the artificer's will/personality. working off extreme recollection, and I'll be damned if I can figure out where to actually look up this stuff. e: more classic lore question, who's spark is it the Karn has, well started with since he has Venser's (rip in peace) now. Was it Urza's or the Glacian's?
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A big flaming stink posted:working off extreme recollection, and I'll be damned if I can figure out where to actually look up this stuff. Glacians Spark went into the Thran stones that were recovered by Urza and Mishra which then acted as Urza's Spark when he blew up a magical nuke and somehow it jammed the stones into his head and then when Karn got the stones to complete the legacy they became his spark. It's fuckin stupid. Zoness fucked around with this message at 19:29 on Feb 24, 2016 |
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dragon enthusiast posted:Okay, but would you then have two "big" sets then? How would you draft something like that This is how they did Return to Ravnica and Gatecrash - I assume they'd just make it 111 and 222. But really, just doing it 221 for the second wouldn't be a big deal, I think. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 19:33 on Feb 24, 2016 |
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Zoness posted:Glacians Spark went into the Thran stones that were recovered by Urza and Mishra which then acted as Urza's Spark when he blew up a magical nuke and somehow it jammed the stones into his head and then when Karn got the stones to complete the legacy they became his spark. I'm ok with Karn being inebriated, but Karn being stoned all the time? Ducking unacceptable.
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Zoness posted:Glacians Spark went into the Thran stones that were recovered by Urza and Mishra which then acted as Urza's Spark when he blew up a magical nuke and somehow it jammed the stones into his head and then when Karn got the stones to complete the legacy they became his spark. okay but how do the Mechas fit into this
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mandatory lesbian posted:okay but how do the Mechas fit into this Urza built nine giant robots to invade Phyrexia with. He also brought along Tevesh Szat, a known villain that everyone knew would backstab them, including Urza. He did this because he needed an excuse to kill a planeswalker to power his superweapon. e: pics of the Mecha in question    
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mandatory lesbian posted:okay but how do the Mechas fit into this Look the planeswalkers clearly had the attitude and there were at least 5 of them
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Zoness posted:Why would that be necessarily no cross-pollination? Angry Grimace posted:This is how they did Return to Ravnica and Gatecrash - I assume they'd just make it 111 and 222. But really, just doing it 221 for the second wouldn't be a big deal, I think. Half of the guilds ergo half of the color pairs would be represented twice as much as the other three in draft. Maybe they'd fill the set that gets two packs with a bunch of non-aligned stuff and play up the Guildless subplot from RTR?
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Maro has said they wouldn't feel beholden to make the next Ravnica set about a mechanic for each guild.
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A big flaming stink posted:Urza built nine giant robots to invade Phyrexia with. He also brought along Tevesh Szat, a known villain that everyone knew would backstab them, including Urza. He did this because he needed an excuse to kill a planeswalker to power his superweapon. wow Urza's kind of a dick
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dragon enthusiast posted:Half of the guilds ergo half of the color pairs would be represented twice as much as the other three in draft. Maybe they'd fill the set that gets two packs with a bunch of non-aligned stuff and play up the Guildless subplot from RTR? Or they could not do strict color-pair identities again.
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mandatory lesbian posted:wow Urza's kind of a dick That is kind of Urza's thing. Imagine a vengeance obsessed autist with superpowers and a love of gadgets. Basically, he's Wizard Batman with less morals.
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Angry Grimace posted:Uncharted Realms: Magic Story I hope the eldrazi were some fundamental force of the multiverse that needs to exist and killing them fucks up everything.
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Please format all lore-chat using italics so that I can ignore it along with flavor text
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mandatory lesbian posted:Ugin is the only character in the story who i have any kind of sympathy for I, too, associate most closely with a genius surrounded by morons. Also I'm a Dragonkin.
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suicidesteve posted:I, too, associate most closely with a genius surrounded by morons. Counterpoint: A reasonable adult surrounded by screaming teenagers. Much like my LGS on EDH night
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Ciprian Maricon posted:Why do they write this stuff? I've never met a single person who likes Jace or cares about any of this poo poo. Don't pay attention to Magic-related Tumblr, for the most part. It's disgustingly twee at times. "NEW UNCHARTED REALMS OMG MY FAVOURITE CHARACTER IS THERE AND MY OTP".
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A big flaming stink posted:e2: Hah! I just got the callback of Ajani Steadfast to Ajani Vengeant. Now that's a cool way to show character growth. I don't get it
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well first of all Ulamog is indestructible and so you can't kill him with fire, only -X/-X effects and exile. secondly
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mandatory lesbian posted:wow Urza's kind of a dick there's no kind of about urza's dickery
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In a few years there's going to be a noticeable portion of Magic: The Gathering fans who pretty much have never played the game before and simply care about the writing/movies/comics/etc., and make fun of people who let game rules/card sets shape their understanding of the franchise's lore.
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Zoness posted:Never mind that Urza was actually two rocks that held Glacian's Spark but somehow Urza the artificer's will/personality. Yeah, they had the Weatherlight and there was also a portal to Phyrexia in the Caves of Koilos as well as whatever the gently caress they did to overlay Rath. I think I read on Maro's blog (it might have been Doug Beyer's) they mostly closed off the concept of moving from plane to plane without a Planeswalker spark around the time they decided to start featuring new Planes every block and move away from the Dominaria thing.
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