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GOTTA STAY FAI posted:It would be a real kick in the teeth to be an aging feminist academic scholar, having lived through, documented, and researched the tragic internal fragmentation of your field of study, only to see that the age of the Internet has allowed external forces to try to finish clipping its wings by making what you've devoted your life to studying into either a punchline or a weapon to be wielded by idiots, or both Yeah, getting old sucks for everyone.
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Captain Monkey posted:Yeah, getting old sucks for everyone. Not for whiskeys.
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Feb 24, 2016 17:14
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Solice Kirsk posted:Not for whiskeys. I doubt the whiskeys themselves care much either way.
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GOTTA STAY FAI posted:It would be a real kick in the teeth to be an aging feminist academic scholar, having lived through, documented, and researched the tragic internal fragmentation of your field of study, only to see that the age of the Internet has allowed external forces to try to finish clipping its wings by making what you've devoted your life to studying into either a punchline or a weapon to be wielded by idiots, or both I think you're severely overestimating the significance of Reddit in modern society.
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Feb 24, 2016 18:17
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Solice Kirsk posted:Not for whiskeys. People are more interested in consuming them, which seems like a negative for the whiskey itself.
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Feb 24, 2016 18:18
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Lamprey Cannon posted:I think you're severely overestimating the significance of Reddit in modern society. Nah, I hear lots of public figures saying, "I'm not a feminist!" in the same tone they would use to deny making GBS threads their pants. Bonus points when they're women running for political office.
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Feb 24, 2016 18:47
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AlbieQuirky posted:Nah, I hear lots of public figures saying, "I'm not a feminist!" in the same tone they would use to deny making GBS threads their pants. This predates Reddit.
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Feb 24, 2016 18:52
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Dogfish posted:This predates Reddit. It doesn't predate the Internet imo. Although maybe we're responding to different posts? I think right-wing talk radio got a good start on the wing-clipping, if I understand GOTTA STAY FAI's metaphor, but the Internet took it further. When I taught college in the early nineties, I didn't hear the average student talk trash about feminism.
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Feb 24, 2016 18:58
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Lamprey Cannon posted:I think you're severely overestimating the significance of Reddit in modern society. It's not just Reddit--"feminist" has been a stand-in word for "woman I don't agree with" for quite a while. The Internet is just helping spread its use by giving idiots a new target to level their guns at. Look basically anywhere on social media: "The Ghostbusters reboot will have a FEMALE cast? Fuckin' feminists" "Stupid feminists want a livable wage; they'd make more money if they did MEN's work instead of being secretaries" "How dare she give this game I like a 7/10 review score? loving feminism" "Ha, goddamn feminists bitching about how women's personal care products cost more than men's" "I'm voting for Trump because I don't want a fuckin' feminist in the White House" etc. edit: VVVVVVV Much more eloquent and succinct than my explanation. I blame feminism. GOTTA STAY FAI has a new favorite as of 19:07 on Feb 24, 2016 |
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Feb 24, 2016 19:02
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Lamprey Cannon posted:I think you're severely overestimating the significance of Reddit in modern society. If it helps, just think of Feminist as interchangeable with SJW.
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AlbieQuirky posted:It doesn't predate the Internet imo. Although maybe we're responding to different posts? Women not wanting to be identified as feminist because of negative social consequences or because of a misperception that being a feminist means hating men or being a lesbian definitely, without a doubt, predates the internet. When I graduated high school, the same year Reddit was founded, I absolutely did not identify as a feminist because that was my perception of feminism and the perception of everyone I knew. I'm not saying that's how everyone in the world felt at the time (definitely not the case), but the idea that feminism is a fringe movement suitable for radicals and based in at least some form of man-hating is a really widespread and long-standing one.
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Feb 24, 2016 20:42
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Last weekend I overheard a dude complain how he had thought that when he started university there would be sensible mature adults there, but all he found were "some loving feminists". Sadly I didn't stick around long enough to get an idea what he's studying.
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Veib posted:Last weekend I overheard a dude complain how he had thought that when he started university there would be sensible mature adults there, but all he found were "some loving feminists". Sadly I didn't stick around long enough to get an idea what he's studying. Probably engineering.
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Feb 24, 2016 20:46
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Dogfish posted:Women not wanting to be identified as feminist because of negative social consequences or because of a misperception that being a feminist means hating men or being a lesbian definitely, without a doubt, predates the internet. Personally I don't identify as feminist because I'm a guy and: me in an A/T thread by someone who works in the sex industry posted:I consider myself a humanist and feminism is part and parcel with that. However you're right in saying men can't really be feminists. I am fully in support of all of feminism's goals, but I'm doing that from a position of privilege that precludes me from ever truly experiencing being the object of the prejudice. My objection is on moral and ethical grounds because it can't be on personal grounds. And I would never presume to claim personal grounds on behalf of any woman capable of claiming them for herself. If I was MtF trans I might claim it but as long as I gender myself male I can't truly be a feminist.
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Feb 24, 2016 20:48
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Oh good I hope we can have a long discussion about activist terminology and the role of allies now.
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Feb 24, 2016 20:52
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Groke posted:I doubt the whiskeys themselves care much either way. Excuse me, but I am therian whiskeykin, and I care a lot.
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Feb 24, 2016 20:53
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http://imgur.com/gallery/TCPhLv1 How much of a stupid idiot do you have to be to fall for this stuff. Besides the fact that every human being in STDH stories all talk exactly the same. Other immediate triggers for other people who aren't morons: -Vague comment about "ABC News radio broadcast" -  FEMALE broadcaster-  FEMALE interviewer.-Stereotyping, but no Australian talks like this. -This is only a great comeback if you're 12 year-old sexist.
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razorrozar posted:Personally I don't identify as feminist because I'm a guy and: That's really well put. As a feminist woman I never object to a guy identifying as feminist, because simplifying labels helps clarify messaging, and a man might have more influence in changing other men's minds about "feminist" being a dirty word, but I appreciate nuanced thinking about the issue and I'm enjoying thinking about how angry imgur commenters would be to read this conversation. I'm also trying to find a bad imgur post to get the conversation on track again but imgur seems oddly un-terrible today so here's a green dog: 
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:I'm also trying to find a bad imgur post to get the conversation on track again but imgur seems oddly un-terrible today so here's a green dog: http://imgur.com/gallery/Szl37vs  quote:I'm a middle school teacher. Last year, many of the 8th grade students were Imgur users who enjoyed making little references in my classes to keep things entertaining (or distract the hell out of me). This year I have about zero Imgur users, and it makes me very sad. I keep making little references in all my classes to see if any of my students have discovered this magical place, but none had..... until today! After playing a YouTube clip, one of my favorite kiddies commented "11/10 Ms. Mimzical, would watch again", to which I replied "5/7, best video ever". He nearly fell off his chair laughing while the rest of the class looked at both of us like we were crazy people, which we evidently are. I just wanted to share this little moment with you, Usersub. Have a 5/7 day.
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Dogfish posted:Women not wanting to be identified as feminist because of negative social consequences or because of a misperception that being a feminist means hating men or being a lesbian definitely, without a doubt, predates the internet. I am really confused. I'm saying a particular social attitude (talking trash about feminism) didn't become widespread among 18-25-year-olds in the US, in my observation, until the mid-1990s. Your saying that you had that attitude in 2005 doesn't really respond to what I said. Am I being unclear? I'm saying that in my experience, before the mid 90s, most 18-25-year-olds in the US didn't care about feminism either way, and that it wasn't widely discussed in that demographic. AlbieQuirky has a new favorite as of 21:28 on Feb 24, 2016 |
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Dogfish posted:Oh good I hope we can have a long discussion about activist terminology and the role of allies now. I will never quite understand the mindset that threads need to be solely about what's listed in the header and nothing more. It'd be like if I wandered into a card shop and got pissed that people were talking about things that weren't Magic.
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AlbieQuirky posted:I am really confused. I'm saying a particular social attitude (talking trash about feminism) didn't become widespread among 18-25-year-olds in the US, in my observation, until the mid-1990s. Your saying that you had that attitude in 2005 doesn't really respond to what I said. I'm sorry; I had misread you as saying that you thought this social trend had been precipitated by Reddit and in general by "the internet" (which I assume means by the particular social role that anonymous internet communication currently occupies). In my brain, somehow the mid-90s became the mid-00s, probably because I was thinking about the rise of social media. If you are indeed saying that you think Reddit, social media, etc. caused the widespread perception that feminism is a negative thing that nice women should avoid, I think you're wrong. If you're saying that they changed the conversation, I think you're right.
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razorrozar posted:Personally I don't identify as feminist because I'm a guy and: That is a very good way of going about it. I am of the opinion that a man can identify as feminist without it being problematic. Many feminist women I know are happy when men do it, since it helps erode the stigma that "feminist=bad", but at the same time there's a lot of guys who use the title as a trophy. Or they'll talk over women during conversations of feminism. So I total understand when some women say men can't truly be feminists, and I'd never argue that point with them. I have a very personal investment in feminism, because overall feminism has done more to support me as a bisexual male than the drat LGBT community has. Lady Naga posted:I will never quite understand the mindset that threads need to be solely about what's listed in the header and nothing more. It'd be like if I wandered into a card shop and got pissed that people were talking about things that weren't Magic. Not to mention this is actually an interesting derail where some people have asked questions and learned things.
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Lady Naga posted:I will never quite understand the mindset that threads need to be solely about what's listed in the header and nothing more. It'd be like if I wandered into a card shop and got pissed that people were talking about things that weren't Magic. It's less about that and more that this particular discussion gets very old and very semanticy very fast, and happens at some point in any conversation of feminism that goes on long enough. As for me. I am a man that supports and endorses equal treatment for all genders and sexes. Whether that makes me a feminist or an ally really makes no difference to me. I think people get hung up on terminology too often. gently caress egalitarian tho
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Racism is cool as long as it's against the bad guys!
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Being buttmad that someone joked about ISIS loving sheep is peak inverse irony. Or is it?
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RareAcumen posted:Racism is cool as long as it's against the bad guys!
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Lady Naga posted:I will never quite understand the mindset that threads need to be solely about what's listed in the header and nothing more. It'd be like if I wandered into a card shop and got pissed that people were talking about things that weren't Magic. Usually it's when it 100% takes over a thread and ruins all potential for discussion of the topic that the thread is about. That said, often times people are too touchy about it for sure.
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blarzgh posted:buttmad I don't think you should be on this site without your parents' permission
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Captain Monkey posted:Usually it's when it 100% takes over a thread and ruins all potential for discussion of the topic that the thread is about. That said, often times people are too touchy about it for sure. But then the people complaining about it never actually contribute. Want a thread to back on track? Post some content, don't just complain that others are talking.
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blarzgh posted:Being buttmad that someone joked about ISIS loving sheep is peak inverse irony. Or is it? 2006 is that-a-way, man!
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Lady Naga posted:I will never quite understand the mindset that threads need to be solely about what's listed in the header and nothing more. It'd be like if I wandered into a card shop and got pissed that people were talking about things that weren't Magic. Nah it'd be like if you walked into a card shop and found out that for that day they didn't sell magic cards anymore they sold some poo poo you didn't care about but if you did could easily find at a different store.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:I'm also trying to find a bad imgur post to get the conversation on track again Gotcha covered.  http://imgur.com/gallery/whWF2Ql
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aegeryn posted:Gotcha covered. duh, hate crimes are for when an attack is based on race, not when an attack is based on race.
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BobbyK posted:Nah it'd be like if you walked into a card shop and found out that for that day they didn't sell magic cards anymore they sold some poo poo you didn't care about but if you did could easily find at a different store. Whenever a derail happens nothing is preventing you from continuing to post and discuss the content outlined in the header hth
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aegeryn posted:Gotcha covered. Finding good content for this thread is always such a Pyrrhic victory.
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Dogfish posted:I'm sorry; I had misread you as saying that you thought this social trend had been precipitated by Reddit and in general by "the internet" (which I assume means by the particular social role that anonymous internet communication currently occupies). In my brain, somehow the mid-90s became the mid-00s, probably because I was thinking about the rise of social media. I was more trying to get at something more like "popularized" or "made commonplace" rather than "caused", but I know I was not as clear as I could have been. But I think the trend really picked up steam among young US adults in the 1990s specifically because of the Internet (blogs, websites, Usenet, forums, etc.) Thanks for being patient with my confusion! Sometimes headaches make me not very quick.
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AlbieQuirky posted:I was more trying to get at something more like "popularized" or "made commonplace" rather than "caused", but I know I was not as clear as I could have been. But I think the trend really picked up steam among young US adults in the 1990s specifically because of the Internet (blogs, websites, Usenet, forums, etc.) It was as much my confusion as yours 
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