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FOOLISH PAGE SNYPE
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Feb 23, 2016 01:54
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I doubt that the correlation between antinatalism and the postrationalist/NRx-adjacent crowd is more complicated than "both are pretty niche and they happen to have an influential member, Sister Y, in common."
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Feb 23, 2016 03:41
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Saeku posted:Thede and phyle are buzzwords, where thedes are affinity group (eg: nerds) and phlyes are thedes whose children are members of that thede (eg: ethnicities) that could "have a secessionist movement." The terms appear in The Diamond Age. Neal Stephenson might have coined them (I doubt it) but nydwracu didn't.
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Feb 23, 2016 04:11
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GrumpyDoctor posted:The terms appear in The Diamond Age. Neal Stephenson might have coined them (I doubt it) but nydwracu didn't. Only "phyle" is from Diamond Age, thede isn't. Though IIRC phyle had some pretty obvious ethnocultural connotation and usage in the Diamond Age, too.
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Feb 23, 2016 04:14
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Fututor Magnus posted:So, someone talked about GamerGate's harassment, and St_Rev went absolutely loving bonkers. Not letting this be lost in the new page
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Feb 23, 2016 04:14
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Fututor Magnus posted:Only "phyle" is from Diamond Age, thede isn't. Though IIRC phyle had some pretty obvious ethnocultural connotation and usage in the Diamond Age, too. Oh, I must have been thinking of "tribe." I just remembered that there were two of them and one had five letters and started with 't' and ended with 'e' I guess  e: or possibly "thete"
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Feb 23, 2016 04:19
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Getting this angry at stuff like this isn't healthy or pleasant. Someone who cares about Rev should tell him to take a break.
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Feb 23, 2016 04:20
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Oligopsony posted:I doubt that the correlation between antinatalism and the postrationalist/NRx-adjacent crowd is more complicated than "both are pretty niche and they happen to have an influential member, Sister Y, in common." 
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Feb 23, 2016 05:27
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What's in the intersection between utilitarians and people who hate the world?
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Feb 23, 2016 09:07
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Pragmatists?
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Feb 23, 2016 10:38
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Tesseraction posted:Well the counter-point is that by using such philosophy you've stopped someone living before they were even born, which may take away from their inevitable death, but you've also denied them a chance and choice of living. You say you don't want to die, but you're also specifically not going to have a child, and thus choose to deny that child life, because you don't want that child to die? Depending on the person this can seem counter-intuitive. By that logic you should never masturbate because you'll be intentionally denying the hypothetical future-life of millions of hypothetical future-babies though.
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Feb 23, 2016 14:04
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:By that logic you should never masturbate because you'll be intentionally denying the hypothetical future-life of millions of hypothetical future-babies though. Or any non-conceiving sex, why specify the solo mission?  The situation being that, if you didn't have your anti-natalist viewpoint, you'd have, what, 1-3 kids? Those are more tangible denied lives than the millions of swimmers your balls chuck out every day, especially since following that line of thought by not getting as many women as possible pregnant 24/7 you're doing the same.
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Feb 23, 2016 14:19
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I get antinatalism as an environmentalist thing, but if you're doing it for purely philosophical reasons you're operating on JRPG villain logic. EDIT: What I'm trying to say is that if you view life as so utterly lovely that it's better to never live at all, then maybe the solution isn't not having kids, it's therapy.
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Feb 23, 2016 14:48
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DStecks posted:I get antinatalism as an environmentalist thing, but if you're doing it for purely philosophical reasons you're operating on JRPG villain logic. I've always considered conceiving kids yourself to be bad because we already have literally millions of kids without parents destined to live a tragic Dickensian foster care life while your little poo poo wolfs down the third kid's meal today or whatever.
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Feb 23, 2016 14:54
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Count Chocula posted:It's not 'some people', though. It's 'nobody should be born'. It's 'birth guarantees death'. The inherent contradiction of someone currently living taking that as a philosophical position is a short leap to "some people shouldn't be alive". After all, you yourself are alive, and have no intention of dying prematurely.
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Feb 23, 2016 17:02
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Racist Antinatalism: Nobody should be alive, but some people shouldn'ter be alive than others
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Feb 23, 2016 17:10
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:I've always considered conceiving kids yourself to be bad because we already have literally millions of kids without parents destined to live a tragic Dickensian foster care life while your little poo poo wolfs down the third kid's meal today or whatever. Have you considered adoption?
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Feb 23, 2016 17:14
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So Pax Dickinson claims to have been the duck. If true, then NRx's championing him as a victim of SJ aggression or whatever is just stupid, more so than it was already.
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Feb 23, 2016 18:17
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red tidday UP white tidday DOWN review: i have read it. * it is self consciously a pastiche of a trash genre, and that's fine y'know. it has no pretensions to quality * i observably have no literary standards and read worse fanfic * as a story it's reasonably constructed * (the intro is fatuous) * contains no actual porn * i laughed out loud once * will probably not read it a second time * is not worth 99c * but is not actually an offence against all human dignity * just some of it
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Feb 23, 2016 18:24
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Fututor Magnus posted:So Pax Dickinson claims to have been the duck. If true, then NRx's championing him as a victim of SJ aggression or whatever is just stupid, more so than it was already. This is somehow both completely unexpected and completely unsurprising.
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Feb 23, 2016 18:30
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Tesseraction posted:Have you considered adoption? ... yes that's my point, you should adopt instead of conceive kids yourself. I'm not sure how that wasn't clear from what I said.
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Feb 23, 2016 19:29
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUgf5wOizSM
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Feb 23, 2016 23:28
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Two Harris/Alexander notes. 1. both Sam Harris and Scott Alexander have expressed a strong preference for Clinton above anyone else, mostly because they're really terrified of the Republican alternatives. I'm not sure what the significance of that is (beyond "Republican candidates themselves expose views that appear horrifyingly crazy to even those who take Moldbug serious/dare to suggest discussing nuclear first strikes"). 2. both Sam Harris And Scott Alexander have studied philosophy. Harris has a B.A., and I think Scott has a minor (like me).
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Feb 24, 2016 18:26
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Cingulate posted:Two Harris/Alexander notes. ok honey Anyway before this derail dies What if antinatalism is getting TOO POPULAR? What if gas prices are becoming TOO CHEAP? What if Adam Sandler movies are becoming TOO FUNNY?
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Feb 24, 2016 18:39
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If you just casually call white nationalists "nazis", you're a homophobic antisemite and the REAL nazi. Note that this is vagueblogging about Storming The Ivory, who would have been gassed several ways by the actual Nazis.
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Feb 24, 2016 19:03
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The Vosgian Beast posted:ok honey
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Feb 24, 2016 19:14
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Cingulate posted:Can you stop responding to every post of mine? It's weird. Not now, dear, the grownups are talking.
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Feb 24, 2016 19:19
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Nessus posted:Yeah that's pretty gross. I'm no scientist, but it seems likely that lower levels of both would be adaptive: the former leading families who have it to take fewer dangerous risks and thus making them more likely to survive, the latter making families more likely to take risks for a beneficial goal. Putting both together in a group would probably be the most beneficial, since then you have both traits shoring up the other's weakness. Evolution is rarely a zero-sum game.
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Feb 24, 2016 19:48
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this hasn't ever been my subjective experience. I am not particularly eager to die but the prospect doesn't fill me with fundamental terror.
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The Vosgian Beast posted:This is somehow both completely unexpected and completely unsurprising. Martyr for the cause... https://twitter.com/paxdickinson/status/702140895601229824 ...the cause of being able to say anything without redress or criticism.
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Feb 24, 2016 23:52
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Fututor Magnus posted:Martyr for the cause... Eh, being fired isn't exactly "criticism." Edit: Wouldn't be surprised if Pax Dickinson was indeed a right-not-to-be-criticized type. Just not getting that from this tweet. Silver2195 has a new favorite as of 23:58 on Feb 24, 2016 |
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Feb 24, 2016 23:53
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Silver2195 posted:Eh, being fired isn't exactly "criticism." Google him, frankly I have very little empathy for this sob story turned far right cause célèbre, this also has very little to with actual freedom of speech.
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Feb 25, 2016 00:28
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Fututor Magnus posted:Google him, frankly I have very little empathy for this sob story turned far right cause célèbre, this also has very little to with actual freedom of speech. After looking it up, I came to the conclusion that he actually should have been fired a lot sooner than he was. The "how to hire a unicorn" tweet was essentially a thinly veiled admission of something that could have gotten the company sued, for starters. Still doesn't mean he's arguing for a right to freedom from criticism.
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Feb 25, 2016 01:04
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Fascism doesn't exist as a real term according to Wesley. Lol.
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Feb 25, 2016 14:40
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Fututor Magnus posted:Fascism doesn't exist as a real term according to Wesley. Lol. There is the argument that fascism has become almost meaningless due to widespread misuse of the term, but somehow I doubt he is making that argument.
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Feb 25, 2016 15:58
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Sam Harris is probably the most derided figure in contemporary philosophy for his pseudo-philosophical ultra-bollocks. If you think he genuinely has a grip on philosophy you really are the epitome of Dunning-Kruger. It cannot be overstated how shitly he does philosophy.
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Feb 25, 2016 16:38
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Fututor Magnus posted:Fascism doesn't exist as a real term according to Wesley. Lol. Didn't stop him from self-identifying as an anarcho-fascist for a while
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Feb 25, 2016 16:57
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Didn't stop him from self-identifying as an anarcho-fascist for a while How would that even work? Those terms are contradictory.
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Feb 25, 2016 17:13
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Tesseraction posted:How would that even work?  ?
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Feb 25, 2016 17:17
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I think I'd prefer that over the NRx's vision of the future.
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Feb 25, 2016 17:20
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