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widespread posted:I see. It's an honestly interesting case. The final battle of Heavensward was a giant FF7 nod. Sephirot could have used plenty of classic tunes for its theme, but they straight ripped off When Worlds Collide for no real reason, even when the Alexander music sounds enough like them.
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Pyroxene Stigma posted:but they straight ripped off When Worlds Collide for no real reason, They really didn't. There are similarities sure but those similar aspects are pretty common things from music of this type. Oh and the opening lyric is "what is it like" so I guess that reminded people of the other industrial rock song that say "this is what it's like"
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Feb 26, 2016 06:39
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Augus posted:They really didn't. There are similarities sure but those similar aspects are pretty common things from music of this type. I like you, but the similarities are greater than anything Robin Thicke did inspired by Marvin Gaye.
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Feb 26, 2016 07:24
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Electric Phantasm posted:Who was it that said that Sephirot's theme sounds like When Worlds Collide? Looks like Powerman5000 agrees. The guy isn't wrong. They stole a really unimaginative song. 
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Feb 26, 2016 07:25
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Pyroxene Stigma posted:I like you, but the similarities are greater than anything Robin Thicke did inspired by Marvin Gaye. They really aren't. The drums are at a different beat and use different instruments. The guitars are entirely different. The 14 vocals are lower range, the Powerman ones are higher. The songs are at two different tempos.
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Feb 26, 2016 07:40
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The songs are very similar musically and in lyrical theme but also Legin Noslen posted:The guy isn't wrong.
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Feb 26, 2016 07:50
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corn in the bible posted:eclair farron Claire "Lightning "Light "Lig""" Farron
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Mega64 posted:Claire "Lightning "Light "Lig""" Farron Eclaire "Lightbulb" Ferry is a cool and interesting protagonist who certainly isn't outclassed by Resident Punch Man and Resident Gun Man.
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Feb 26, 2016 10:57
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Friendly Factory posted:I mean, it's bad Jesus Christ.
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Feb 26, 2016 11:33
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That song is pretty clearly in the same vein as When World's Collide on pretty much everything, not sure how anyone can say otherwise. It's not exactly the same of course, but it's clearly more than an "inspired by".
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Feb 26, 2016 15:46
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Electric Phantasm posted:Who was it that said that Sephirot's theme sounds like When Worlds Collide? Looks like Powerman5000 agrees. Lol
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Feb 26, 2016 15:48
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The early guitar riff is similar to WWC but the whisper-then-yell vocals are more like NiN while the "say my name" part sounds more like Rammstein than Powerman 5000. Spider's a baby and his walk-back update was funny. Either way it's a cool fight & song.  Midas turn 4 has an amazing song (and fight) as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLCWCPyxByg Evil Fluffy fucked around with this message at 16:16 on Feb 26, 2016 |
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Feb 26, 2016 16:13
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Evil Fluffy posted:The early guitar riff is similar to WWC but the whisper-then-yell vocals are more like NiN while the "say my name" part sounds more like Rammstein than Powerman 5000. All that and it still can't compare to Under the Weight...
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Ventana posted:That song is pretty clearly in the same vein as When World's Collide on pretty much everything, not sure how anyone can say otherwise. It's not exactly the same of course, but it's clearly more than an "inspired by". It's got the whole "electronic mumbling over a beat" thing, but the beat is different, the instruments are different, the lyrics are different, the song follows a different progression, the chorus is WAY different. It's only vaguely similar and the only reason World's Collide is the comparison that was made is because that's one of the more popular songs of this kind.
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Augus posted:It's got the whole "electronic mumbling over a beat" thing, but the beat is different, the instruments are different, the lyrics are different, the song follows a different progression, the chorus is WAY different. It's only vaguely similar and the only reason World's Collide is the comparison that was made is because that's one of the more popular songs of this kind. I just pulled a quick 3 other songs from the same album from Powerman 5000, and uh, no? Nobody's Real Automatic Supernova Goes Pop Like, yes, it is a "genre", so of course they are going to sound vaguely similar in overall style. But notably they don't sound at all like World's Collide, despite the different progessions and beats and instruments as you pointed out. No one would ever confuse these with each other. The beat and progression in Sephirot's theme on the other hand, particularly in the guitar, DOES sound similar to World's Collide in that opening minute stretch (particulaly the softer sections like in the first 30 seconds), even if it's not exact. As in very specifically that song, and not at all like the other Powerman 5000 songs above. I don't want to turn this into some genre cherry-picking debate to "find all the songs that sound/don't sound similar", but at least you should be able to see that Sephirot's theme sounds hell of a lot closer to World's Collide specifically than the above songs or general genre.
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Feb 26, 2016 18:31
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Is there a reason no one's mentioning that FFVI tunes are literally the first phase of that boss' music? I mean I'd rather talk about the second phase because it's an awesome song, but the FFVI tunes are good too
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Feb 26, 2016 18:44
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They have a similar guitar riff which is also a pretty generic guitar riff. Should Journey be suing every song that uses standard pop chords? They have things in common but it's only vague broad strokes and far from anything worth calling them uncreative thieves. Everything resembles something else is some way, nobody has ever made anything that was 100% original, at least not in any time that we can remember. Also songs by the same band on the same album are going to be going for at least some variety. That should kinda go without saying.
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Feb 26, 2016 18:47
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I didn't say anyone should sue. The band themselves said they weren't going to sue. And I didn't say it was a problem that the songs sound similar or that they are "uncreative thieves", I actually think the similarities are really neat. I just think it's silly to deny that they don't sound similar on something that isn't quite as super generic like say a descending bassline progression. Augus posted:
I get your point, but when you extrapolate this, it's just silly. "Songs on different albums are of course going to be varied from previous albums" or "Songs from different bands are going to be varied" are just as likely to be true, if not even more so than your statement.
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Feb 26, 2016 20:31
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I think it's pretty obviously an "inspired by" situation considering it's not just the music but the lyrics are thematically very similar. If Powerman5000 even wanted to sue though, they'd have to get in line behind a few hundred artists who actually have gotten straight-up ripped off and they'd lose.
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Feb 26, 2016 21:30
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Can I sue Otherworld for thinking those vocals were a good idea
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Feb 26, 2016 22:14
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FFIX is now in the 'Upcoming' section of the front page of steam, so we can look forward to that soon I think. That and their steam trading cards are in the database now.
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bloodychill posted:I think it's pretty obviously an "inspired by" situation considering it's not just the music but the lyrics are thematically very similar. If Powerman5000 even wanted to sue though, they'd have to get in line behind a few hundred artists who actually have gotten straight-up ripped off and they'd lose. Uematsu alone has a lot of songs he would have to answer for
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THE AWESOME GHOST posted:Can I sue Otherworld for thinking those vocals were a good idea They were a good idea Go now, if you want it An otherworld awaits you Don't you give up on it You bite the hand that feeds you All alone, cold fields you wander Memories of it, cloud your sight Fills your dreams, disturbs your slumber Lost your way, a fallen knight Hold now, aim is steady An otherworld awaits you One thousand years, you ready? The otherworld, it takes you Go into the sand, and the dust, and the sky Go now, there's no better plan, than to do or to die Free me, pray to the fayth in the face of the light Feed me, fill me with sin, and get ready to fight You know you will You know you will You know it, you know it, you know it, you know it, that you will You know it, you know it, you know it, you know it, that you will You know you will... Fight, fight, fight Fight, fight, fight Fight, fight, fight Fight, fight, fight! Hope dies, and you wander The otherworld, it makes you Dreams, they rip asunder The otherworld, it hates you Free now, ride up on it Up to the heights, it takes you Go now, if you want it An otherworld awaits you
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Baal posted:Uematsu alone has a lot of songs he would have to answer for The one thing Uematsu had going for him (other than no one paying too much attention to game music outside gamers at the time) is that he mostly ripped off classical music in the public domain 
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It's weird that FF nerds love Otherworld but there was a backlash to Limit Break in XIII-2
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bloodychill posted:The one thing Uematsu had going for him (other than no one paying too much attention to game music outside gamers at the time) is that he mostly ripped off classical music in the public domain You say that but there's a ton of his stuff which just rips off 70s and 80s Rock and metal I use this example a lot but it's the one that always comes to mind. Listen to Dancing Mad and compare that poo poo to like Tarkus Also Dark Messenger and We Will Rock You Help Im Alive posted:It's weird that FF nerds love Otherworld but there was a backlash to Limit Break in XIII-2 That owns too
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bloodychill posted:The one thing Uematsu had going for him (other than no one paying too much attention to game music outside gamers at the time) is that he mostly ripped off classical music in the public domain Shout out to the OGs of music copying, id Software.
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Baal posted:You say that but there's a ton of his stuff which just rips off 70s and 80s Rock and metal The drum beat from Dark Messenger is effectively identical to We Will Rock You but then it turns into a rock variation on Kuja's Theme. Similarly, most of the 17 minutes of Dancing Mad is repeated variations on the game theme but then has a 3 minute section which is almost identical to the first 3 minutes of Tarkus. He ripped off in parts 
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Feb 26, 2016 23:38
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Help Im Alive posted:It's weird that FF nerds love Otherworld but there was a backlash to Limit Break in XIII-2 People generally have less tolerance for the FFXIII games, XIII-2 in particular.
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bloodychill posted:The drum beat from Dark Messenger is effectively identical to We Will Rock You but then it turns into a rock variation on Kuja's Theme. Similarly, most of the 17 minutes of Dancing Mad is repeated variations on the game theme but then has a 3 minute section which is almost identical to the first 3 minutes of Tarkus. He ripped off in parts Oh yeah it's not the whole song, but it's still there and very obvious.
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Feb 26, 2016 23:54
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Help Im Alive posted:It's weird that FF nerds love Otherworld but there was a backlash to Limit Break in XIII-2 Limit Break wasn't utilized well, it was the normal boss music so it felt out of place and got old fast. Also I just like Otherworld better as a song.
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Feb 27, 2016 00:41
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Limit Break is one of five different boss themes that game has XIII-2 has an insane variety of music, it did not rely on that song for boss music
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Feb 27, 2016 00:44
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Otherworld is the best final boss music
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Help Im Alive posted:It's weird that FF nerds love Otherworld but there was a backlash to Limit Break in XIII-2 Augus posted:
Not that I hate Limit Break, but basically this, yeah.
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Feb 27, 2016 00:56
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Otherworld is the epitome of everything that Jecht is. Limit Break is not.
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Pyroxene Stigma posted:All that and it still can't compare to Under the Weight... All this talk of cheesy Final Fantasy buttrock yet this is the only mention of the best song. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDEPwFmBQXM This is also the best fight because it's so loving easy to get knocked off the stage and be out of the fight completely. Doing this fight on Extreme brings many horrible/hilarious memories.
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One bit of boss fight music I liked was in XIII when Sazh and Vanille are fighting two Mr. Snuffleupaguses and this swinging smooth jazz number is playing for no reason.
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TL posted:One bit of boss fight music I liked was in XIII when Sazh and Vanille are fighting two Mr. Snuffleupaguses and this swinging smooth jazz number is playing for no reason. When I think of 13 having fantastic music its mostly the least used stuff which ends up absolutely fantastic window dressing. Sazh Jazz Time, the weird discordant choral stuff during fal'cie fights, chocobo song lyrics.
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