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Decrepus posted:If someone casts [Insert Global] just go AI and find a new game imo.
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Decrepus posted:If someone casts Bot just go AI and find a new game imo. Funny, that's my strategy except I go AI immediately after casting BoT myself.
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Feb 26, 2016 14:58
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That's pretty meta. And also, I'm reliably informed by the internet, the only winning move.
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Feb 26, 2016 15:33
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So I tried SP as MA Ulm. Trip highlights so far 1. Suicided my E3N4 boar god into 40 horse archers. 2. Prot 18 < Barbarians Now I have about 80 infantry and dogs in 3 armies wandering around in year 2. Does this sound about right?
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Feb 26, 2016 16:15
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Z the IVth posted:So I tried SP as MA Ulm. Trip highlights so far If you haven't already, please research Evocations 5 for Iron Blizzard, aka "Bullshit Shotgun". Then laugh as your enemies fall before you like wheat before the scythe.
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Feb 26, 2016 16:27
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jBrereton posted:Yes, if only a brave hero would make that extremely simple mod, and call it something like Burden-B-Gone. Thank you sincerely. If this was the end of the journey I would be very happy but unfortunately the real battle is to get stupid bitch idiot hosts to enable the drat mod by default.
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Feb 26, 2016 17:25
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Chomp8645 posted:Thank you sincerely. If this was the end of the journey I would be very happy but unfortunately the real battle is to get stupid bitch idiot hosts to enable the drat mod by default. never
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Feb 26, 2016 17:28
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Nuclearmonkee posted:never What if I asked nicely and said pwetty pwease? 
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Feb 26, 2016 17:33
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Chomp8645 posted:What if I asked nicely and said pwetty pwease? You can have games w/ whatever mods and stuff you like but BoT is an important spell that functions as a blood counter if cast early enough. There aren't a lot of those. It could stand to be level 6 probably but its important.
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Feb 26, 2016 17:35
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I think the issue is that if it counters blood then it's a nuclear option that also pisses off every other player in the game, blood or no. It's also a death sentence for certain nations who mages or other important units have short life spans and/or start with old age. The game could really use a better way to counter blood if that's what BoT is intended to do. comedy option: ban BoT AND blood nations.
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Feb 26, 2016 17:38
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Chomp8645 posted:I think the issue is that if it counters blood then it's a nuclear option that also pisses off every other player in the game, blood or no. It's also a death sentence for certain nations who mages or other important units have short life spans and/or start with old age. The game could really use a better way to counter blood if that's what BoT is intended to do. There should be better and cheaper options to keep people alive using nature magic imo. Growth 3 BoT is really not that bad though. The rate of death is pretty slow and you have time to research some items or dispel though there are indeed a few nations that are utterly hosed with no recourse like MA Marignon but THEMS THE BREAKS.
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Feb 26, 2016 17:41
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 Nuclearmonkee is just saving the world from blood you guys.Ban BoT, ban Monkee, or set up a game and wait for it to get filled and then ruined within 2 weeks.
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Feb 26, 2016 18:02
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Decrepus posted:
I'll cut u.
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Feb 26, 2016 18:06
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One thing I'll stand my ground on is that BoT should absolutely be banned from noob games. It's probably the most lovely, frustrating thing for a new player to encounter and the "counters blood" argument doesn't hold water there because no noob can operate blood magic worth a poo poo anyway.* *this assumes there isn't some rear end in a top hat neruz or nesbit joining noob games despite extensive experience.
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Feb 26, 2016 18:11
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Chomp8645 posted:One thing I'll stand my ground on is that BoT should absolutely be banned from noob games. It's probably the most lovely, frustrating thing for a new player to encounter and the "counters blood" argument doesn't hold water there because no noob can operate blood magic worth a poo poo anyway.* Yeah stuff like AC and BoT are not something that will probably pop up in a newbie anyways. When was the last time a newbie pulled one of those off before ultra-late game?
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Feb 26, 2016 18:13
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Honestly I think that at a certain point you just have to accept that this is dominions 4, and balancing is a Sisyphean task that will leave you more burnt out and frustrated than you started, with very little to show for it.
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Feb 26, 2016 18:18
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ChickenWing posted:Honestly I think that at a certain point you just have to accept that this is dominions 4, and balancing is a Sisyphean task that will leave you more burnt out and frustrated than you started, with very little to show for it. This is true but there are still certain outliers that are so far beyond the regular balance deviation they can be reasonable identified as "bad" and removed. Like I don't think anyone here is gonna propose that we goon mod TOTAL BALANCE TO ALL PRETENDER CHASSIS, but what we can do is ban/nerf earthsnake because it's obvious to basically everyone that it is way too strong for the cost. I see BoT as a similar thing.
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Feb 26, 2016 18:29
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Nuclearmonkee posted:Yeah stuff like AC and BoT are not something that will probably pop up in a newbie anyways. When was the last time a newbie pulled one of those off before ultra-late game? i cast bot on turn 18 of my second game lmao. it got dispelled on turn 20 i thin kand i recast it the next turn then six people went ai
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Feb 26, 2016 18:41
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Bring back pudmod
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Feb 26, 2016 18:42
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jsoh posted:i cast bot on turn 18 of my second game lmao. it got dispelled on turn 20 i thin kand i recast it the next turn then six people went ai That's why I don't care for it. Spells or things that make a bunch of people who otherwise would have stuck out the game for longer and perhaps had more fun or changed the flow of the game end up saying "gently caress it" and quitting when the dumb and unfun thing happens. The blood-control argument is kind of silly as well, as the #1 most effective way to control blood nations is to gang up on them, which happens plenty often. BoT is much like guns in that they both need to be regulated into oblivion. Vote for me, and I will confiscate all BoTs.
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Feb 26, 2016 20:36
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jsoh posted:i cast bot on turn 18 of my second game lmao. it got dispelled on turn 20 i thin kand i recast it the next turn then six people went ai gods work
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Feb 26, 2016 21:02
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How are u posted:That's why I don't care for it. Spells or things that make a bunch of people who otherwise would have stuck out the game for longer and perhaps had more fun or changed the flow of the game end up saying "gently caress it" and quitting when the dumb and unfun thing happens. Making other people lose the will to live is just another way to win. YOU CANT TAKE ARE BOT! WE HAVE RITES!
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Feb 26, 2016 21:05
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The proper* way to counter blood is to buff the Kindly Ones so that their appearance is an almost guaranteed death sentence and they can't just be killed with Leech. Burden of Time and Armageddon spam hurt everyone, and the latter comes online way, way later than a lot of the Blood things it would like to stop. *Not necessarily good or smart, but probably really funny, at least to me.
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Feb 26, 2016 21:14
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Why not just nerf blood? Remove astral corruption, up the cost on send horror and whatever else is too cheap.
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Feb 26, 2016 21:19
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How are u posted:BoT is much like guns in that they both need to be regulated into oblivion. Vote for me, and I will confiscate all BoTs. Sounds like you're against my Godly Freedoms, you are no Panktokrator of mine
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Feb 26, 2016 21:24
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Barono posted:Why not just nerf blood? Remove astral corruption, up the cost on send horror and whatever else is too cheap. I used to run a mod that pushed AC to 9, increased the cost to 266 base, pushed Bot to 7, decreased the range on horror sending spells and increased their cost but people preferred vanilla so I stopped using it.
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Feb 26, 2016 21:24
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Nuclearmonkee posted:I used to run a mod that pushed AC to 9, increased the cost to 266 base, pushed Bot to 7, decreased the range on horror sending spells and increased their cost but people preferred vanilla so I stopped using it. Increase the cost to 666 base, clearly.
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Feb 26, 2016 21:27
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Roland Jones posted:The proper* way to counter blood is to buff the Kindly Ones so that their appearance is an almost guaranteed death sentence and they can't just be killed with Leech. Burden of Time and Armageddon spam hurt everyone, and the latter comes online way, way later than a lot of the Blood things it would like to stop. I'm wondering why the devs don't do that. This global is basically some gals attacking only and only blood mages, right? So I see no reason against a massive buff, it's not like the game suddenly becomes unbalanced, considering Astral Corruption is basically a stronger version targeting all mages except blood. And if that global is OK, why not it's mirror?
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Feb 26, 2016 22:19
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Libluini posted:I'm wondering why the devs don't do that. This global is basically some gals attacking only and only blood mages, right? So I see no reason against a massive buff, it's not like the game suddenly becomes unbalanced, considering Astral Corruption is basically a stronger version targeting all mages except blood. And if that global is OK, why not it's mirror? Because apparently the Dominions 2nd Amendment guarantees player's rights to BoT.
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Feb 26, 2016 22:21
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Make the Kindly Ones a natural phenomenon instead of an expensive, endgame, impossible to cast, pile of poo poo. Make them more powerful and also immortal. The more slaves captured per turn the more attacks there are by them.
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Feb 26, 2016 22:26
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Chomp8645 posted:Because apparently the Dominions 2nd Amendment guarantees player's rights to BoT. gently caress that, we need more globals summoning crazy girls loving poo poo up Spells like BoT are boring: They're basically just altering some numbers somewhere. BoT is basically the spell for math nerds. 
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Feb 26, 2016 22:27
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Chomp8645 posted:Because apparently the Dominions 2nd Amendment guarantees player's rights to BoT. The original battle for dominion was caused over BoT. I think you guys should play a game dedicated to it, the BoT vs anti-BoT.
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Feb 26, 2016 22:27
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Libluini posted:I'm wondering why the devs don't do that. This global is basically some gals attacking only and only blood mages, right? So I see no reason against a massive buff, it's not like the game suddenly becomes unbalanced, considering Astral Corruption is basically a stronger version targeting all mages except blood. And if that global is OK, why not it's mirror? if i remember correctly there's 3 kindly ones and they each attack specific things. one of them goes after priests, maybe? but yeah, it needs a buff.
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Feb 26, 2016 22:28
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Nuclearmonkee posted:There should be better and cheaper options to keep people alive using nature magic imo. Growth 3 BoT is really not that bad though. The rate of death is pretty slow and you have time to research some items or dispel though there are indeed a few nations that are utterly hosed with no recourse like MA Marignon but THEMS THE BREAKS.  *sigh* shame that'll never happen though (One of these days I will roll all of this stuff into a modpack alongside painstaking but sweeping balance changes that's going to get like 8 downloads)
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Feb 26, 2016 22:30
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bundle it with a really lovely anime nation mod and watch the downloads skyrocket
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Feb 26, 2016 23:11
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MA Sonica - Gotta Go Fast
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Feb 26, 2016 23:17
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So all I'm hearing is I need to plan to BoT more games. jBrereton posted:(One of these days I will roll all of this stuff into a modpack alongside painstaking but sweeping balance changes that's going to get like 8 downloads) I've got the barding costs, gcost for summons, swapped looming and ac, and sunny mod for you to start from.
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Feb 26, 2016 23:38
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Wait are you trying to say that the path with the only practical method of making a mage younger - Blood - and the path with one the only practical method of increasing province population - Blood - is countered hard by BoT?
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TheDemon could you add http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3734584&pagenumber=13&perpage=40#post449858606 to the quotes in the OP? My poor noobies could've really used seeing it before the game started.
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Etalommi posted:TheDemon could you add http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3734584&pagenumber=13&perpage=40#post449858606 to the quotes in the OP? My poor noobies could've really used seeing it before the game started. Done. However, it's probably about time someone else maintained the OP, because I haven't been updating it for ages and it's all out of date Dom3 crap right now.
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