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Feb 27, 2016 08:02
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meristem posted:Is there a place where I could go to for a summary of Trump's actual quotes and policies? I feel like a big part of his appeal to his base is that he feeds them a Palinesque mash of truthiness, and a big part of his appeal to everyone else is that everyone can take something from his quotes that they like because he flip-flops so often. I'd like to see him pinned down. Someone posted the Matt Taibbi article on Trump pages back. Google Taibbi and you'll find his last article from 4 days ago. Its an enlightening read and at least one possible insight into this phenomenon. Doesn't talk about policy though.
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Feb 27, 2016 08:06
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1-800-DOCTORB posted:What if somehow Rubio/Cruz actually wins the primary and Trump decides that he was treated unfairly and runs third party. What red states in that situation do you think could turn blue in the general? Only if the split calls themselves something to out do tea-baggers. Like Trumpetors, specifically this kind. Let the curtains fall down and everyone following trump pray for a literal and/or political Apocalypse if they can't win.
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Feb 27, 2016 08:44
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For anyone interested in a hot modern take on immigration and refuge issues, may I direct you to a recent-ish issue of the Atlantic? And no, despite what you might think as you read it, it's NOT written by David Frum! http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1896/06/restriction-of-immigration/306011/ Similar: http://www.theatlantic.com/past/politics/immigrat/lescof.htm http://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/unbound/flashbks/immigr/rip.htm http://www.theatlantic.com/past/politics/immigrat/wardf.htm (I was looking for primary sources to assign in my history class and it's striking how much these could be reprinted today without anyone batting an eye.)
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Feb 27, 2016 08:45
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Fried Chicken posted:Let's take a moment to appreciate the spite energizing this bilious pile of adipose Et tu, Christie?
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Feb 27, 2016 08:58
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I know "lol social media" but the hashtag NEVERTRUMP is blowing up world wide. In fact it's been the most tweeted thing world wide for about 6 hours now and has no sign of stopping with about 200k tweets so far. Now, I think it may have actually been started up by some pro-Rubio blitz but its been completely coopted by leftists. Enemy of my enemy is a friend I suppose. Obviously it means jack poo poo in of itself but drat if it doesn't make me feel a little better. Hopefully a little sign of things to come. Shimrra Jamaane fucked around with this message at 10:07 on Feb 27, 2016 |
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Feb 27, 2016 10:05
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Boon posted:Someone posted the Matt Taibbi article on Trump pages back. Google Taibbi and you'll find his last article from 4 days ago. Its an enlightening read and at least one possible insight into this phenomenon. Doesn't talk about policy though. Reposting because it's a great read
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Feb 27, 2016 10:16
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quote:Thus it was no surprise that after Iowa, columnists tried to sell the country on the loathsome "Marcomentum" narrative, a paean to the good old days when reporters got to tell the public who was hot and who wasn't – the days of the "Straight Talk Express," "Joementum," etc. They're onto you, Joe.
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Feb 27, 2016 10:35
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Fantastic read, thanks. As an outside observer I really hope it comes down to Trump vs Sanders just for the hilarity value.
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Feb 27, 2016 12:10
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I really hope it comes down to Trump v Sanders because that would make BERNIE loving SANDERS the president of the United States. He has been a candidate for a while now so I feel like people are beginning to look past how truly astonishing it is that this country is even pretending to consider a democratic socialist for president. Say what you will about that being a positive or a negative but the man really accomplished something just in coming this far.
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Feb 27, 2016 12:19
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Remember how hard the GOP was banging on the red scare early on? Who said that Russia is our greatest threat? Sanders proves that that's never going to work again, of course, but once that sinks in what does the entire GOP field do? Start worshipping Putin lmao
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Feb 27, 2016 12:21
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With Putin in power during a Trump presidency I could see WWIII being started by a literal dick measuring contest.
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Feb 27, 2016 12:59
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computer parts posted:The appeal of Trump is that his speeches have the presentation of a comedy routine. The WaPo has an editorial about the grade level of each candidates rhetoric. Most candidates fall between 8th and 10th grade (with Carson apparently offering the highest level of rhetoric so take this article with maybe a boulder of salt), while Trump is speaking at a third grade level. He is the apotheosis of the idiocracy of the right
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Feb 27, 2016 13:11
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The Puppy Bowl posted:With Putin in power during a Trump presidency I could see WWIII being started by a literal dick measuring contest. Nah. The Final War will be started by China once its economy collapses in 10-20 years. Note: Both Putin and Trump will both still be president then.
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Feb 27, 2016 13:20
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Rexicon1 posted:Nah. The Final War will be started by China once its economy collapses in 10-20 years. Insallah.
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Feb 27, 2016 13:24
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This really is the darkest timeline.
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Feb 27, 2016 13:38
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:This really is the darkest timeline. Also the funniest because of how hard jeb got schooled
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Feb 27, 2016 13:43
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:This really is the darkest timeline. Scalia's still dead. 
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Feb 27, 2016 13:57
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The Puppy Bowl posted:I really hope it comes down to Trump v Sanders because that would make BERNIE loving SANDERS the president of the United States. He has been a candidate for a while now so I feel like people are beginning to look past how truly astonishing it is that this country is even pretending to consider a democratic socialist for president. Say what you will about that being a positive or a negative but the man really accomplished something just in coming this far. Social Democrat actually but I like the rhetoric. We can thank the republicans hyperbole for undoing Mcarthyism.
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Feb 27, 2016 14:08
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Zeroisanumber posted:Scalia's still dead. For those that don't follow the Scotus thread this is already having an impact. Dow Chemical just decided to pay almost a billion dollars to settle a price fixing case. Dow Chemical said in a statement that changes in the court meant an "increased likelihood for unfavorable outcomes for business involved in class-action suits,"
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Feb 27, 2016 14:48
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gohmak posted:Social Democrat actually but I like the rhetoric. We can thank the republicans hyperbole for undoing Mcarthyism. Yeah I wonder how much it was the financial meltdown and how much it was republicans screaming SOCIALIST, SOCIALIST, SOCIALIST during the 2008 and 2012 elections and then promptly america not ending that changed peoples minds and accepting toward an actually self-described socialist candidate.
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Feb 27, 2016 15:17
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Well so far only a small portion of the total electorate has voted for Sanders. If he made it to the general there would be a million attack ads using the word SOCIALISM as scary, tense music plays in the background. Socialism as a concept still faces an uphill battle in the US of A.
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Feb 27, 2016 15:48
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Why do I get the feeling that if Jeb was literally offered the Presidency point blank he'd refuse it and then go gently caress off somewhere because he never actually wanted to be President in the first place. Like Claudius, some guard is going to find Bush hiding behind a drape and drag him to the senate so they can make him ruler. Edit: vvvvvv You can't blame Christie for getting annoyed over robocalls. Rincewinds fucked around with this message at 16:15 on Feb 27, 2016 |
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Feb 27, 2016 16:07
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loving LOLquote:Mr. Rubio showed a lack of finesse in dealing with his fallen rivals’ injured egos. Whole article is fascinating read into the deep dysfunction going on with the GOP right now. But this really brings it hope - Rubio is a prick, Christie a thin skinned blowhard, and brought together that means persona animosity is why he backed Trump kick in Rubio's teeth.
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Feb 27, 2016 16:12
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TheLoquid posted:The WaPo has an editorial about the grade level of each candidates rhetoric. Most candidates fall between 8th and 10th grade (with Carson apparently offering the highest level of rhetoric so take this article with maybe a boulder of salt), while Trump is speaking at a third grade level. He is the apotheosis of the idiocracy of the right That's actually a pretty bad measure since "grade level" is usually just "number of syllables per word".
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Feb 27, 2016 16:20
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computer parts posted:That's actually a pretty bad measure since "grade level" is usually just "number of syllables per word". It's a combination of syllables per word and words per sentence.
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Feb 27, 2016 16:23
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computer parts posted:That's actually a pretty bad measure since "grade level" is usually just "number of syllables per word". What's the better measure then Dr. Pinker?
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Feb 27, 2016 16:31
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menino posted:What's the better measure then Dr. Pinker? There's not really an easily quantifiable measure of "is this speech/writing intelligent". Much like IQ tests though, having a bad measure can be worse than no measure at all.
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Feb 27, 2016 16:35
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:This is still confusing as gently caress but thanks. Really the whole thing blows my mind. There's a full scale war going on with actual front lines, offensives, counteroffensives, etc. I look at the maps like a grognard playing a grand strategy video game even though I know that's being completely retarded. Like, "oh ok well send that force to cut off that bulge and then eliminate it and then link up with this other force over there and..." even though that's not at all how reality works here. PBS Frontline (on the interwebs) has had several good shows about the Syrian war. Keyser_Soze fucked around with this message at 16:49 on Feb 27, 2016 |
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Feb 27, 2016 16:42
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computer parts posted:There's not really an easily quantifiable measure of "is this speech/writing intelligent". True, but it's not bad just because you say it's bad.
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Feb 27, 2016 16:43
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menino posted:What's the better measure then Dr. Pinker? The thing is there is no useful measure. It's like how there's no useful measure of beauty of a poem or whatever. You can say a lot of clever things with short sentences and few syllables, and you can also say really stupid and childish stuff with unnecessarily long words and sentences.
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Feb 27, 2016 16:46
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In some cases the lower 'grade level' speech or writing is actually far more intelligent than the high word count equivalent. True brilliance is in distilling complex ideas into a form that laymen can comprehend. High end word salad can often be the equivalent of baffling people with bullshit or covering up your own lack of a coherent narrative.
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Feb 27, 2016 16:47
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Fried Chicken posted:loving LOL So ... is trump making it part of his outreach about how the party is plotting against him? Since they are actually for real doing it he wouldn't even have to make poo poo up to complain about it. But it projects weakness where he likes to project strength. What little I've seen of his schtick involves asserting that he can personally achieve change and get things done. Acknowledging these kinds of shenanigans might give off a "poor me" vibe antithetical to that. While just quietly negotiating defections like Christi shows strength and validates his message. But if you don't acknowledge it at all people might not appreciate just what a coup that was. And is he actually serious enough to care that making GBS threads over party insiders by name now would make actually governing ten times harder and is thus a really stupid thing to do? Ignoring it would allow them to bend the knee later without shame. I think this is my acid test for whether trump is serious about the presidency and ruling or just after attention/democratic plant. If the king of bomb throwing is being careful not to burn any bridges he'd want to walk on as president - despite short term incentive for doing so - then he is playing the long game. But I don't want to research trump. Deep in my soul I want him not to be worth the energy and time it takes to do so. Edit: also I'm not even sure how to research trump. With a normal politician I'd start with extracurricular actions to see where their heart is - what follows them home from work. Then their voting record to round them out with secondary issues. Then read proposed legislation they wrote to get a sense of how they think. What the gently caress would I do to get a fact based assessment of trump? Watch reality tv shows and beauty pageants? McAlister fucked around with this message at 17:15 on Feb 27, 2016 |
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Feb 27, 2016 16:56
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Whitecloak posted:In some cases the lower 'grade level' speech or writing is actually far more intelligent than the high word count equivalent. True brilliance is in distilling complex ideas into a form that laymen can comprehend. High end word salad can often be the equivalent of baffling people with bullshit or covering up your own lack of a coherent narrative. Yep, and personally I prefer reading the simplest phrasing possible to cover the material. The purpose of text or speech (at least in the context we're defining) is primarily about communication; hiding that communication behind some big words defeats the whole purpose. (also note that the addition of that semicolon probably raised the "grade level" of that statement by a significant amount)
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Feb 27, 2016 16:56
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Ted Cruz is a low life useless human being!!! He is going nowhere...but, waltzing with Glenn Beck into the cesspool of obscurity, where they both rightfully belong!!! And....you can add Rush Limbaugh & Mark Levin to the list of Cruz low life!!! The folks that supported and voted for Ted Cruz should be totally ashamed of themselves!!! And...just for the record....Ted Cruz did not defeat Donald Trump in Iowa......his cheating, stole the election!!! And...shame on the state of IOWA for letting that bogus Caucus stand....uncontested!!! GO DONALD TRUMP!!!!
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Feb 27, 2016 17:17
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Source your quotes, Meg.
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Feb 27, 2016 17:19
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computer parts posted:Yep, and personally I prefer reading the simplest phrasing possible to cover the material. The purpose of text or speech (at least in the context we're defining) is primarily about communication; hiding that communication behind some big words defeats the whole purpose. Sorry but you're wrong. 
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Feb 27, 2016 17:39
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The state of Alabama just stopped Birmingham from raising the minimum wage to $10.10/hour by passing a law banning individual cities from raising their minimum wage. 
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Feb 27, 2016 17:43
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Luigi Thirty posted:The state of Alabama just stopped Birmingham from raising the minimum wage to $10.10/hour by passing a law banning individual cities from raising their minimum wage. Party of small government and local control.
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Feb 27, 2016 17:50
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winterwerefox posted:Party of small government and local control. Every time someone brings this up to them, they sputter incoherently and change the subject. It's thoroughly hilarious to watch.
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