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Slaughterhouse-Ive posted:I believe the opening shots were fired as soon as the former head of the RGA endorsed Trump As much as I want to believe it's happening, I have a strong feeling lots of party members are going to break rank and face to Trump once they see the wolves circling for their jobs. I feel like it might be a sudden coup rather than a prolonged battle for the party.
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Joementum posted:In some states he'll have to. There's no way Mark Kirk embraces Trumpism and wins. I think Trump even puts the Iowa Senate race in play, which the wasn't even in the DSCC's wildest dreams last year. The only thing I see Kirk embracing between now and E-day is his pacifier.
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I guess it's the only choice they have, but how does someone like Kelly Ayoette completely disavow Trump, even to the point of running ads against him, when he won the states primary by huge margins. Those republican voters aren't going to look to kindly on her come election day. I expect Trump to pull similar numbers in PA, IL, OH, (if Kasich drops out) and WI, not to mention new purple state republicans looking to unseat incumbent democrats. Trump has put the all the screws to the GOP and they are in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation...unless of course Trump handidly wins the general. Then good luck getting anything from President Trump when a member of his own party ran ads against him leading up to the election.
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Feb 27, 2016 18:20
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Kasich is running a fantastic 2012 campaign.
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Feb 27, 2016 18:21
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Platystemon posted:I’d just be really generous with gifts to family and friends and die with little money in the bank. Spending drives the economy, so this is basically good.
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I was just talking about this in the dem thread but kirks a pretty good politician, has already gone after mcconnell regarding the stalling of Scalias nomination and is mega liberal for a Republican. Meanwhile duckworths claim to fame is beating a 1 term tea parties who won the wave election by 291 votes It'll be close and since duckworth is getting primaried from the left there's gonna be turnout/enthusiasm gap issues.
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Holy gently caress AL Gonzales speaking for kasich
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etalian posted:It's like sending a Shih Tzu to fight a bear And the Shih Tzu is a hæmophiliac.
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There's a lot of interesting gamesmanship at play here. If a senator endorses Trump and he loses, they're completely screwed, and the leadership will freeze them out. If they fail to endorse him, or actively campaign against him, and he wins, the same might happen-- but it might not, since the leadership is likely to remain in place. There are some senators who cannot possibly endorse Trump. Remember, the ones up for re-election this year were elected in the great Republican Wave in 2010, which means a lot of those seats are pretty shaky. Mark Kirk is one as Joe said, Ron Johnson is another (maybe, depending on how well Trump plays in the Rust Belt... I think that his chances there are being dramatically overestimated in this forum by some of the usual suspects, but we'll see). Rob Portman and Pat Toomey are both lean-blue swing-state Senators, sort of, though calling Pennsylvania a swing state in 2016 is very generous to the Republicans. Toomey is underwater by 15% and Portman by 11%, so their endorsements are unlikely to carry much water for Trump, and if he proves to be bombing there they can bolster their campaigns by making GBS threads on him. There's going to be a lot of people with their fingers to the wind and seeing how Senate endorsements shake out is going to be very fascinating. The House is a very different dynamic and I wouldn't care to speculate as deeply on it. Look at Toomey and Portman, though, I think how they react to the Trumpenfuhrer is going to be very telling. TwinsensRevenge posted:As much as I want to believe it's happening, I have a strong feeling lots of party members are going to break rank and face to Trump once they see the wolves circling for their jobs. I feel like it might be a sudden coup rather than a prolonged battle for the party. Someone like, say, Roy Blunt has a more interesting decision to make. His primary is August 2nd, and he has a challenger, though I don't have any information about whether it's a credible challenge. The seat is a very safe R seat, so the winner of the primary is likely the winner of the general. Trump is very popular in his state so openly opposing him is foolish, but Blunt has been in for just one term and doesn't really have seniority, and if he defies his party leadership and Trump loses then he's basically kneecapped his career. I'd expect him to be very noncommittal or give a weak "I will support the nominee" style endorsement at best. If he goes all in, that could be interesting and give us a taste of things to come. It helps that his primary challenger is an old-style "DEBT DEBT DEBT" conservative, not a Trump "Conservative," so he's not really ideologically aligned with him. Trump's surge was too late to really put a bunch of Trumpenstaffel on the ballot everywhere. If he had launched his movement with ideologically aligned candidates in downballot races across the country we'd have a real civil war on our hands. As it stands the best case scenario for Trump is winning and then dealing with a Congress that's ideologically opposed to most of his positions. Look at Paul LePage's tenure to get an idea of how that turns out. Some of them will hop on board out of opportunism, but anyone who opposes him this year isn't sticking his neck out too badly, since they'll next be up for re-election in 2022. They will have another Presidential race to get through, during which time they will have ample opportunity to demonstrate their loyalty. DAD LOST MY IPOD fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Feb 27, 2016 |
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Neural-net processor -- a learning computer, baby.
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User posted:If you could put off all your income and payroll taxes off until your funeral and then pay them in full, would you? No. What I would do is use the gigantic loophole you asked for and pay nothing. The government would drown in the bathtub and chaos reigns
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Senator endorsements don't mean poo poo so they don't have to endorse anyone in the first place and have always run away from unpopular presidents/governors when they needed to. However, this part is awesome. Feb 20: quote:At a meeting of Republican governors the next morning, Paul R. LePage of Maine called for action. Seated at a long boardroom table at the Willard Hotel, he erupted in frustration over the state of the 2016 race, saying Mr. Trump’s nomination would deeply wound the Republican Party. Mr. LePage urged the governors to draft an open letter “to the people,” disavowing Mr. Trump and his divisive brand of politics. Feb 27: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2016/feb/26/us-election-2016-campaign-live-trump-rubio-cruz-super-tuesday-clinton-sanders quote:Maine governor LePage joins Christie in endorsing Trump – as it happened
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Slate Action posted:The GOP meltdown is in full swing. Hmm a party running negative ads about its own candidate in order to try and make its "real" members look better? Yeah that certainly couldn't end badly for the GOP, especially if Trump were to lose a 'close' election and he can paint it as "my own party sabotaged me because I was a Real Conservative" and I just can't even 
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Adar posted:Senator endorsements don't mean poo poo so they don't have to endorse anyone in the first place and have always run away from unpopular presidents/governors when they needed to. 
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Will the GOPe Primary Trump in 2020? Would really be unfair to take on your own sitting President, but I think they have it in them.
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Yoko, nooooooooooooooo!
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The Nastier Nate posted:What? No! when its morning i'm not coherent enough to type anything beyond poo poo posting it just seems like by adopting this strategy they're putting out two different messages. there's one to the sane reasonable (hohoho) republicans they are talking to, saying "we must brace for hillary by keeping the senate republican". but at the same time what are they saying to the trumpeters? "you're going to cost us the election, so at least vote for a republican senate you idiots" but i can't imagine that trump voters are still spiteful enough or consistent enough in their anti-establishment mindset to actually refuse to not jam the button for every name with an R next to it anyway. but boy if it doesn't work out for them talk about feeding into a stabbed in the back narrative Mr. Pumroy fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Feb 27, 2016 |
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Michael Corleone posted:Will the GOPe Primary Trump in 2020? Would really be unfair to take on your own sitting President, but I think they have it in them. it is my greatest hope
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Michael Corleone posted:Will the GOPe Primary Trump in 2020? Would really be unfair to take on your own sitting President, but I think they have it in them. when Trump becomes president he'll found his own party and throw out the lifeless corpse of the republicans
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My Imaginary GF posted:The reference is to Congo in the late 1950s and early 60s, where Catholic nuns faced widespread sexual violence and the question was whether birth control could be used to avoid pregnancy after rape. lmao still at you defending apartheid and calling white flight (most of those white South Africans and Rhodesians left of their own accord) white genocide. The Congo in the 60s for real? In a modern context of the racial makeup of the African continent? gently caress off
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Zohar posted:when Trump becomes president he'll found his own party and throw out the lifeless corpse of the republicans and he will trademark the poo poo out of it
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Michael Corleone posted:Will the GOPe Primary Trump in 2020? Would really be unfair to take on your own sitting President, but I think they have it in them. they would impeach him before doing that
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Agronox posted:No. What I would do is use the gigantic loophole you asked for and pay nothing. The government would drown in the bathtub and chaos reigns I'm not here to attempt to write the tax code obviously. We both know every system can be gamed, including the current one. There's no point in playing if this then that here, because I'm confident you're smart enough to do that on your own if you're interested and if you're not why bother?
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"Anonymous" are now threatening to destroy Donald Trump. They have a count down clock and a video and everything: http://optrump2016.com/
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Slate Action posted:The GOP meltdown is in full swing. Yeah, this is what people don't get. Just because Trump is the GOP nominee does not mean that the GOP has to support him in lock step. Plenty of candidates have won the nomination only to find that the party machinery is letting them dangle in the wind. It'll be interesting to see if Trump could unify the party or win without the party structure.
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the_paradigm_shift posted:lmao still at you defending apartheid and calling white flight (most of those white South Africans and Rhodesians left of their own accord) white genocide. The Congo in the 60s for real? In a modern context of the racial makeup of the African continent? gently caress off It's okay to admit that a bad thing that happened to white people was indeed bad without it making you a racist
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Montasque posted:"Anonymous" are now threatening to destroy Donald Trump. They have a count down clock and a video and everything: These the are of the libtard segment. All the skilled people support Trump.
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Montasque posted:"Anonymous" are now threatening to destroy Donald Trump. They have a count down clock and a video and everything: What are they going to do, hack his twitter account and post outlandish tweets?
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Democrazy posted:Yeah, this is what people don't get. Just because Trump is the GOP nominee does not mean that the GOP has to support him in lock step. Plenty of candidates have won the nomination only to find that the party machinery is letting them dangle in the wind. It'll be interesting to see if the party structure can survive Trump. They still don't seem to realize what's going on here. This is a bona fide insurgency. And if Trump fails, whatever comes along in the next cycle is going to make him look pleasant.
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Montasque posted:"Anonymous" are now threatening to destroy Donald Trump. They have a count down clock and a video and everything: This is it guys, this is what stumps him, a bunch of low-T anime watching losers, what a time to be alive!
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anonymous doesn't stand a chance against the meme candidate, but they should still go ahead and embarrass themselves
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Montasque posted:"Anonymous" are now threatening to destroy Donald Trump. They have a count down clock and a video and everything: Oh boy, I can't wait for them to DDoS Trump's campaign website.
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Also /pol/ is likely already hunting them down to ruin their internet experiences until the general.
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although it would be pretty laffo if someone hacked his twitter and did something really vile on it like, apologize to the people he offended or something
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Democrazy posted:Yeah, this is what people don't get. Just because Trump is the GOP nominee does not mean that the GOP has to support him in lock step. Plenty of candidates have won the nomination only to find that the party machinery is letting them dangle in the wind. Can you list examples.
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