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Joementum posted:It's important to note that the "Southern Strategy" died in 2000 and anyone who cites it as anything except a historical artifact now is a fool. She used it a lot in '08.
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Venom Snake posted:Not all woman are the same Bad Caller no poo poo? I wanted the first woman president to be a progressive if possible. Third way democrat policies are getting distinctly closer and closer to 80s tory policies
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Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:I mean, as an official thing it's dead, but let's not act like Republicans stopped race baiting. But now that's about turning out the base, not getting crossover votes, which was the point of the strategy.
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Feb 28, 2016 02:56
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Supposedly Sanders' campaign plane had a hard landing in MN (literally).
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Feb 28, 2016 02:57
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Joementum posted:It's important to note that the "Southern Strategy" died in 2000 and anyone who cites it as anything except a historical artifact now is a fool. air conditioning killed the southern strategy
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Bad Caller posted:no poo poo? I wanted the first woman president to be a progressive if possible. Third way democrat policies are getting distinctly closer and closer to 80s tory policies Democratic policies are evidence-based. Sorry that evidence don't agree with your ideology.
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theblackw0lf posted:Watching Hillary's speech makes me believe that this primary has improved her political skills enormously. I agree
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Joementum posted:But now that's about turning out the base, not getting crossover votes, which was the point of the strategy. i guess what i'm hearing you say is that when the crossover votes became the base the strategy died, but if you want to keep those people as your base don't you have to keep doing the same stuff? in other words maybe the way it got written up in the 60s was talking about crossover votes but continuing the same policies and messaging once the votes have crossed over doesn't mean the strategy's over, does it? or how is it not so
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Bad Caller posted:no poo poo? I wanted the first woman president to be a progressive if possible. Third way democrat policies are getting distinctly closer and closer to 80s tory policies How is your take away from Hillaries shift to the left that she is like Thatcher?
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axeil posted:We need an r/s4p thread because this poo poo is amazing. quote:Much of Bernie's civil rights history only emerged within the past two weeks. Until then, his participation was virtually unknown. When you have old school black legislators throwing themselves into the Clinton gravy bowl, its difficult to overcome. As Bernie moves ahead, his history in the movement will be better known. Besides, we all know South Carolina is going to go to the Republicans during the general. Bernie's not going to sweat this. He has bigger fish to fry. DONATE!  Tuesday is going to be amazing
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My Imaginary GF posted:Democratic policies are evidence-based. Sorry that evidence don't agree with your ideology. If by evidence you mean bought by corporations then yes At least state politics are far less bought and a constitutional amendment could still happen via convention if enough people start to care, which is probably what I'm going to start fueling my money to on the political side goes since a top down approach doesn't work. Obama didn't kill my youthful left ideals and neither will Clinton or anyone the republicans elect, falling to cynicism when I see people in my local community addicted to meth in high numbers with no future opportunities, and crumbling infrastructure and clearly showing that this 'evidence' isn't helping my fellow man. C-SPAN Caller has issued a correction as of 03:02 on Feb 28, 2016 |
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Feb 28, 2016 02:59
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Joementum posted:But now that's about turning out the base, not getting crossover votes, which was the point of the strategy. True, the racists have pretty much finished crossing over by now.
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Feb 28, 2016 02:59
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smg77 posted:
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quote:An Elizabeth Warren endorsement sure would be nice right about now. quote:I'm slowly losing a lot of respect for her because of this slow to endorse attitude. quote:The cult of the ovaries and threats from other "womyn" and establishment apparatchiks are keeping her silent. Many females are obsessed with the notion of the first female president, but not excited for a first jewish president. I'll leave it to you to find their motives.
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Feb 28, 2016 02:59
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I love this so much the Bernie fans on Reddit are in full meltdown. Sifting through Hillary emails saying how evil she is.
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oystertoadfish posted:i guess what i'm hearing you say is that when the crossover votes became the base the strategy died, but if you want to keep those people as your base don't you have to keep doing the same stuff? in other words maybe the way it got written up in the 60s was talking about crossover votes but continuing the same policies and messaging once the votes have crossed over doesn't mean the strategy's over, does it? or how is it not so Party sorting happened, ending around the 2000 campaign, which is when we entered into the red-state blue-state map that's been basically static ever since. The Southern Strategy was about getting above 50% by appealing to the base of the other party, but that's no longer operative because we're in a 50/50 split with base sentiments locked in.
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Orkin Mang posted:bernies about to win if my calculations are correct You forgot to multiply by the -1
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Proooobably gonna be hungover at work on the morning of Pragmatic Incrementalism Wednesday.
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First Clinton campaign clip from her speech is smart. Campaigns are won by broadcasting a positive message, which she's doing. Trump's doing that too, just in his own, special way. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nD1QaeeZ-gw
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Minsky posted:Proooobably gonna be hungover at work on the morning of Pragmatic Incrementalism Wednesday.  if you didn't already take Wednesday off
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Microwaves Mom posted:I love this so much the Bernie fans on Reddit are in full meltdown. Sifting through Hillary emails saying how evil she is. Tuesday will be glorious. I'm going to miss most of it since I'll be driving to Colorado 
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Joementum posted:First Clinton campaign clip from her speech is smart. Campaigns are won by broadcasting a positive message, which she's doing. Trump's doing that too, just in his own, special way. Yeah but I dont buy anything she says. Im an intelligent man and i buy trump. LOl okay I really don't but I love when he says it. I don't think he has malice behind what he says with hillary I do. There's always something shes plotting. Trump is straight forward anything he plots he says. He's the guy that says, "I'm going to kill you last." Then keeps that promise.
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The Iron Bitch has set fire to the state of South Carolina, routing the Sandernistas west and taking the head of Killer Mike as a prize. Bloodied by the defeat, Ivan "Bernie" Sanders retreats to the frozen realm of Minnesota to rally his remaining troops...
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Feb 28, 2016 03:05
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Bernie reddit was talking about how South Carolina was a wash for days, guess the fact it's nearly 50% loss instead of 20 something is what caused it
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Bernie is apparently advertising in Texas. https://twitter.com/jbview/status/703761242234691584
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Omi-Polari posted:The Iron Bitch has set fire to the state of South Carolina, routing the Sandernistas west and taking the head of Killer Mike as a prize. Bloodied by the defeat, Ivan "Bernie" Sanders retreats to the frozen realm of Minnesota to rally his remaining troops... BERN IN THE NORTH! I think if Hillary had divorced Bill after the scandal came out I would have lots of respect for her. But the fact shes with him is clear its political reasons only and that really makes me disgusted at her that much more.
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Joementum posted:Bernie is apparently advertising in Texas. Last I saw it was leaking from OK advertising.
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Mitt Romney posted:Last I saw it was leaking from OK advertising. Wichita Falls is hundreds of miles from San Antonio, FYI.
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Mitt Romney posted:Last I saw it was leaking from OK advertising. In San Antonio?
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GrimGypsy posted:I don't get it; I wanted Bernie and don't even like Hillary that much, but why are people pretending she's somehow a bad candidate? She's a loving hilariously powerful candidate. It's a real credit to Sanders that he made the impact against her that he did, even if she was clearly holding back so far. Are you familiar with the concept of an echo chamber?
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Microwaves Mom posted:BERN IN THE NORTH! If she divorced him now, who would she marry?
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Amused to Death posted:Lol black people loving hate Sanders Bernie Sanders does not understand perceptions of race in America. You want someone who understands perceptions of race, you vote for me.
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My Imaginary GF posted:If she divorced him now, who would she marry? Honestly her and DOnald Trump as a power couple. Imagine the babies they could have made. Serious talk, I'd be fine with a divorcee with no marriage as president. Even a female one.
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A Neurotic Jew posted:sunk cost fallacy going full anchor right now across the Bernie-webs. You know millenials are serious when they are canceling their Tidal accounts to send even more of their allowance money to Bernie.
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smg77 posted:You know millenials are serious when they are canceling their Tidal accounts to send even more of their allowance money to Bernie. I wish there was a way to reroute all that money to me.
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Microwaves Mom posted:I think if Hillary had divorced Bill after the scandal came out I would have lots of respect for her. But the fact shes with him is clear its political reasons only and that really makes me disgusted at her that much more. It's weird to just assert they're together because of political reasons.
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