|
The fact that Carta insists on pronouncing every single syllable in her organisation's name is part of the joke.
|
#
?
Feb 29, 2016 00:47
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 2, 2024 00:43 |
|
|
ImpAtom posted:As pointed out being a figurehead and being a parody doesn't necessarily mean the same thing. Gjallerhorn is presented as a whole as a group of people whose biggest threats are minor space pirates and mercenaries who have largely fallen into corruption and thus are unprepared for true combat, but there's a difference between "not expecting Mika to be a viscous bastard who treats combat as survival" and "What?! They dared to attack while I posed? So impolite!" The latter is certainly funny but continues IBO's habit of undercutting its villains even in moments of drama. Ehhh, I look at it as them having a really childish and overall ill-conceived notion of warfare and how it's conducted because all they have really have is ceremony and "theory" about how fighting should be conducted. Like the dude in the naval boat was steamed as poo poo that they actually shot at him. I'd also compare it loosely to Britain apparently being real mad about colonial guerrilla tactics that didn't involve lining up in neat lines. I do get you on the second section, tho.
|
|
#
?
Feb 29, 2016 00:51
|
|
|
ImpAtom posted:I really can't see any way shape or form that Carta doesn't get chainsaw'd unless they pull out some major deus ex machina because frankly nobody in any show ever should be more dead than that. Considering the somber looks on certain Gjallarhorn faces in the previews, I feel like odds are EXTREMELY good.
|
|
#
?
Feb 29, 2016 00:51
|
|
|
ImpAtom posted:I really can't see any way shape or form that Carta doesn't get chainsaw'd unless they pull out some major deus ex machina because frankly nobody in any show ever should be more dead than that. Her suit's out of action, but the guy who was trying to kill her is presently distracted, and some of her squadmates are still alive. A couple of Graze Ritters charging in and knocking Mika aside while he freezes up over Biscuit's death and then dragging Carta away seems completely plausible.
|
|
#
?
Feb 29, 2016 01:06
|
|
|
Darth Walrus posted:Her suit's out of action, but the guy who was trying to kill her is presently distracted, and some of her squadmates are still alive. A couple of Graze Ritters charging in and knocking Mika aside while he freezes up over Biscuit's death and then dragging Carta away seems completely plausible. There aren't enough Grazes in the Earth sphere and Outer sphere combined to keep Carta safe once Mika flips his poo poo. ... I can't listen to Orphans no Namida without crying now. 
|
|
#
?
Feb 29, 2016 01:38
|
|
|
Carta's the only daughter of the most powerful family in a hierarchical society that makes a big deal about family honor and poo poo. If she gets killed by mercenary orphans from Mars, I can see Gjallarhorn (or at least those under the influence of the Issue family) casting aside even the thinnest remaining veneer of decency and rule-following for vengeance. Specifically, even the capital of one of the major blocs might not be safe for Tekkadan. edit: It could fuel conflict within Gjallarhorn if some people want to go all-out for revenge, rules be damned, and others try to keep an even keel to preserve the status quo, but we're a little too close to the end to build that up. The show also hasn't shown much in the way of Gjallarhorn's inner workings nor any potential factions or internal politics, and it's a bit late to start now. Mr. Belpit fucked around with this message at 03:06 on Feb 29, 2016 |
|
#
?
Feb 29, 2016 01:39
|
|
|
I can also see Orga keeping her as a hostage to ensure safe passage.
|
|
#
?
Feb 29, 2016 01:55
|
|
|
Not every villain gets to be Rau Le Creuset. Parking out there is dumb and in line with the dumb flashy poo poo Orga does. From the first on screen battle he is hanging outside the worker almost begging for shrapnel to hit him. Pride and Arrogance is his fall as well as Carta just for different reasons.
|
|
#
?
Feb 29, 2016 02:13
|
|
|
Darth Walrus posted:Her suit's out of action, but the guy who was trying to kill her is presently distracted, and some of her squadmates are still alive. A couple of Graze Ritters charging in and knocking Mika aside while he freezes up over Biscuit's death and then dragging Carta away seems completely plausible.
|
|
#
?
Feb 29, 2016 02:41
|
|
|
Shout-out to Mika licking his lips as he spots a soft target to kill in Carta's formation. I think he's broken at this point. I agree with everything that's been said about villains being jokes. It probably serves a thematic point that these total jokes can still kill Biscuit as a result of a moment of carelessness but it's pretty rare the antagonists actually feel like a threat in this show. It seems odd not to cash this death in on a more convincing antagonist.
|
|
#
?
Feb 29, 2016 02:55
|
|
|
Come to think of it, I'm not entirely sure why Orga and Biscuit were driving around the loving island in the first place instead of sitting in the back with the escorts and directing operations. They looked to have a pretty complete tactical picture of the situation just with communications and the mobile worker's tactical displays, and they never fired their weapons so it's not like they were an integral part of the defense forces.
|
|
#
?
Feb 29, 2016 03:21
|
|
|
Kanos posted:Come to think of it, I'm not entirely sure why Orga and Biscuit were driving around the loving island in the first place instead of sitting in the back with the escorts and directing operations. They looked to have a pretty complete tactical picture of the situation just with communications and the mobile worker's tactical displays, and they never fired their weapons so it's not like they were an integral part of the defense forces. To be fair, an intelligent opponent would have probably concentrated on trying to deal with the active combat going on around them with the enemy mobile suits instead of trying to snipe Orga, Carta's action's made her easy meat for Mika, and she was basically sacrificing her suit just to get a shot at Orga. The very unprofessional-ism people are complaining about when it comes to Carta is the same reason she got a shot at Orga to begin with. Also Orga's mobile worker could have made a tactical difference if the situation was closer, and he didnt necessarily know how well the fight was going before he joined the engagement. And hell him getting eyes on the battle field saved one of his mobile suits and got an enemy kill through a trap he had set up. By a strict military calculus him taking the field helped secure a kill on a enemy suit, and prevented one of his own suits and pilots from being lost, losing one guy (officer effectively) is probably worth that in the long run, but Orga and Tekkadan won't feel that way, and especially sense that guy was the voice of reason and logistical expert of the group anglachel fucked around with this message at 03:30 on Feb 29, 2016 |
|
#
?
Feb 29, 2016 03:25
|
|
|
The worst part will be when someone has to tell Cookie and Cracker. Also, Mika's going to have to step up and start thinking for himself, because with Biscuit dead he's the only one in a position to play Kircheis to Orga's Reinhard.
|
|
|
#
?
Feb 29, 2016 03:25
|
|
|
Kanos posted:Come to think of it, I'm not entirely sure why Orga and Biscuit were driving around the loving island in the first place instead of sitting in the back with the escorts and directing operations. They looked to have a pretty complete tactical picture of the situation just with communications and the mobile worker's tactical displays, and they never fired their weapons so it's not like they were an integral part of the defense forces. Orga has had this need to be seen ever since Episode One. He has never, to the best of my knowledge, actually fired a gun, but he's always been on the front lines, making his presence known and inspiring the troops. There's probably a big tie-in with his obsession with reputation.
|
|
#
?
Feb 29, 2016 03:31
|
|
|
Lestaki posted:Shout-out to Mika licking his lips as he spots a soft target to kill in Carta's formation. I think he's broken at this point. At this point?
|
|
#
?
Feb 29, 2016 03:40
|
|
|
The Sandman posted:The worst part will be when someone has to tell Cookie and Cracker. Yeah, not looking forward to possibly seeing their reaction to the news that both of their older brothers are dead.
|
|
#
?
Feb 29, 2016 04:06
|
|
|
The real villain is not Carta Issue and her Blond Brigade but poverty and inequality.
|
|
#
?
Feb 29, 2016 05:29
|
|
|
Argas posted:The real villain is not Carta Issue and her Blond Brigade but poverty and inequality. ... no, really, I'm pretty sure that's actually what the show's pushing here. We got a real grim reminder of just how urgent Kudelia's mission is in this ep. Who's going to be the next kid forced to their death because it's the only job going, and what's going to happen to the folks back home their salaries are keeping alive?
|
|
#
?
Feb 29, 2016 05:40
|
|
|
Argas posted:The real villain is not Carta Issue and her Blond Brigade but poverty and inequality. Carta Issue and her Blonde Brigade are representatives and enforcers of the rich elite who are crushing the life out of the proletariat. 
|
|
#
?
Feb 29, 2016 06:25
|
|
|
Darth Walrus posted:... no, really, I'm pretty sure that's actually what the show's pushing here. We got a real grim reminder of just how urgent Kudelia's mission is in this ep. Who's going to be the next kid forced to their death because it's the only job going, and what's going to happen to the folks back home their salaries are keeping alive? The characters who oppose Tekkadan and crew are also incredibly villainous despite sometimes being jokes. Carta and Gaelio basically don't care about disrupting the status quo, nevermind seeing an issue with it. Children on Mars getting implants and poo poo so they can earn money by being child soldiers? Eww, gross. Even should they acknowledge there's something wrong about this situation, they don't care about fixing it at all. Instead they're constantly getting angry that these Martian brats are showing up their earthborn elites. Instead they look down on people for their birthplace or social status. Gaelio certainly cares about Ein but neither of them care about the lovely situation that's led to this. Despite feeling disgusted with how Gjallarhorn set up the Dort rebellion, Gaelio won't lift a finger to alleviate the suffering of his fellow man. Well, there's Ein but he feels responsible for what happened to Ein and doesn't care about helping him get past his obsession with revenge. Instead he desires to help him perpetuate a cycle of violence. It's true that the situation isn't easy to change but the way these characters react just shows how they're pretty awful people deep down. It's pragmatic to just accept the status quo but Carta and Gaelio are not bystanders, they are actively opposing a group of people who've decided they aren't okay with their lovely situation and they'll do anything they can to change it. Crank accepted that he was in no position to change things but still tried anyway. It's too bad Ein's done everything in his power to be a terrible person.
|
|
#
?
Feb 29, 2016 06:38
|
|
|
Kanos posted:Come to think of it, I'm not entirely sure why Orga and Biscuit were driving around the loving island in the first place instead of sitting in the back with the escorts and directing operations. They looked to have a pretty complete tactical picture of the situation just with communications and the mobile worker's tactical displays, and they never fired their weapons so it's not like they were an integral part of the defense forces. Didn't the old dude point out earlier that there were Ahab reactors on the island that could screw with long range comms? It would match up with Orga only talking to people he had direct visual links to.
|
|
#
?
Feb 29, 2016 07:50
|
|
|
Psycho Landlord posted:Didn't the old dude point out earlier that there were Ahab reactors on the island that could screw with long range comms? It would match up with Orga only talking to people he had direct visual links to. No, just that Ahab Reactors could be used on the island and were forbidden in the cities. Orga actually communicates with people he doesn't have direct LoS with in the episode like the kids who planted the bombs.
|
|
#
?
Feb 29, 2016 08:41
|
|
|
Darth Walrus posted:...what's going to happen to the folks back home their salaries are keeping alive? I'd like to expect there would be some sort of substantial follow-up, but I bet Cookie, Cracker, and Sakura will just get written out. A quick scene of them crying, and then they're forgotten for the rest of the series.
|
|
#
?
Feb 29, 2016 12:49
|
|
|
Level Slide posted:I'd like to expect there would be some sort of substantial follow-up, but I bet Cookie, Cracker, and Sakura will just get written out. A quick scene of them crying, and then they're forgotten for the rest of the series. Nah, Biscuit outright came out and said 'I'm literally the only one keeping these kids alive', and there's been a whole thing throughout the show of Kudelia trying to find lives for Tekkadan and their families that don't involve them being child soldiers. Even if the negotiations go tits-up and war breaks out to set us up for a second season, I expect Sakura and her girls will get taken in by Tekkadan much like the kids they already look out for. Or, at least, we'll have Orga going 'hey, aniki, can you take care of this?' which'd be quite a setup for things to go wrong if/when Tekkadan and Teiwaz's goals no longer align.
|
|
#
?
Feb 29, 2016 13:14
|
|
|
If Tekkadan and Teiwaz go south it's pretty clearly not going to be Naze Turbine actually betraying them at this point. He's either going to die or side with his aniki. He even surreptitiously sent his waifus down to help them while disguising Teiwaz involvement. That said I'm holding out hope that he's Actually Secretly Evil just because it would give his character something besides Good Nice Guy Who Is Always Right, but it seems unlikely just because they tried to use him as an example of a nonstandard family unit that works and it would sort of undercut that if he was actually a manipulative evil poo poo. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 16:34 on Feb 29, 2016 |
|
#
?
Feb 29, 2016 16:32
|
|
|
ImpAtom posted:If Tekkadan and Teiwaz go south it's pretty clearly not going to be Naze Turbine actually betraying them at this point. He's either going to die or side with his aniki. He even surreptitiously sent his waifus down to help them while disguising Teiwaz involvement. No, I know Naze is on the level, but if Tekkadan and Teiwaz part ways, he loses a drastic amount of his ability to protect his young friends, and might even be forced into actively opposing them. Guy's pretty honourable, and I suspect that a blood-brotherhood with his boss trumps one with his subordinate, even if he and his crew would (probably) try to go as easy as they can on Orga and company.
|
|
#
?
Feb 29, 2016 16:40
|
|
|
I know it would never happen but it would have been cool if after the first few episodes the show was just about a bunch of kids trying to run a mercenary company. Like having to deal with the space mafia and being hired to help Gjallorhorn control Mars. There is a ton of stuff they could have done it the show had a more episodic format.
|
|
#
?
Feb 29, 2016 17:37
|
|
|
Finally got to watch the episode, although it didn't have much punch since I already knew the spoiler.  I think Mika is my favourite Gundam protagonist now. 
|
|
#
?
Feb 29, 2016 20:47
|
|
|
Lemon Curdistan posted:
seriouslyyyy.
|
|
#
?
Mar 2, 2016 05:49
|
|
|
Loved Akihiro's reaction to shooting the enemy during their ginyu force pose.
|
|
#
?
Mar 2, 2016 16:01
|
|
|
Stay safe Space Guts.
|
|
#
?
Mar 2, 2016 18:49
|
|
|
I can't wait for the season to end with the season finale happening and everyone dies, except Space Guts and the blond girl, because Orga offered everyone up as sacrifices in order to obtain a position in Gjallorhorn. Imagine how big a sword the four armed Gusion could hold.
|
|
#
?
Mar 2, 2016 19:10
|
|
|
Ethiser posted:I can't wait for the season to end with the season finale happening and everyone dies, except Space Guts and the blond girl, because Orga offered everyone up as sacrifices in order to obtain a position in Gjallorhorn. Imagine how big a sword the four armed Gusion could hold. I don't want Atra to die. 
|
|
#
?
Mar 2, 2016 21:56
|
|
|
Logicblade posted:I don't want Atra to die. She can be Rickert and come back years later with her own custom mobile suit that she made herself.
|
|
#
?
Mar 2, 2016 22:10
|
|
|
One of the mechanical designers for IBO, Ippei Gyobu, has drawn some really cute pictures of his designs:    
|
|
#
?
Mar 3, 2016 13:43
|
|
|
That Gusion and Spinner Rodi are so good.
|
|
#
?
Mar 3, 2016 13:59
|
|
|
The Gusion is so adorable in SD Form. I wish we could have kept it longer.
|
|
#
?
Mar 3, 2016 16:06
|
|
|
A thought just struck me: Did we ever see Kimaris actually use its sword?
|
|
#
?
Mar 3, 2016 17:50
|
|
|
Droyer posted:A thought just struck me: Did we ever see Kimaris actually use its sword? I don't believe so. It is something of a plot point that Gaelio isn't a very imaginative fighter, though - it's why the Form Five did its job, and we now have the Einborg.
|
|
#
?
Mar 3, 2016 18:17
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 2, 2024 00:43 |
|
|
Darth Walrus posted:I don't believe so. It is something of a plot point that Gaelio isn't a very imaginative fighter, though - it's why the Form Five did its job, and we now have the Einborg. Actually went back to check this, and it does see some brief use - Gaelio whips it out after Mika uses the Form Five's reactive armour to get rid of the Kimaris's lance. It's not all that helpful, though.
|
|
#
?
Mar 5, 2016 00:50
|
|