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This whole thread is a trainwreck of rationalists and fascists trying to justify to each other that rationalism does not have anything to do with neoreaction:rationalist posted:[R]ationalists approach social interaction the same way most people do. In particular, you consider respectful engagement, and even admiration of ideas or thinkers you believe are wrong, as evidence that they’re considered in group. But that’s the opposite way rationalists approach things. Respect for, interaction with, finding common ground with, the out group is good. You don’t learn anything in an echo chamber. Engaging with people who vehemently disagree with you makes you learn a lot more. It’s also way more fun. Wesley, pride interlocutor of the rationalists posted:They don’t misunderstand your discourse norms at all. They just see them as a threat. Fututor Magnus has a new favorite as of 05:25 on Feb 28, 2016 |
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su3su2u1's blog is back on archive.org, for when the rationalists start claiming he was just an incredibly rude lying liar who lies now they think they've buried the receipts.
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Feb 28, 2016 11:48
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Mr. Rationalist isn't being clear. Do you respectfully engage everyone, even those in the outgroup for you, or do you treat everyone like poo poo in order to defy the sheeple norms and Learn Something?
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Feb 28, 2016 11:59
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Fututor Magnus posted:This whole thread is a trainwreck of rationalists and fascists trying to justify to each other that rationalism does not have anything to do with neoreaction: That's great! Does he have any links to the time rationalists have had debates with Marxists, fundamentalist Christians, and Hindu nationalists? It's great that they're so willing to talk to people who vehemently disagree with them. 
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Feb 28, 2016 14:51
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The Vosgian Beast posted:That's great! Does he have any links to the time rationalists have had debates with Marxists, fundamentalist Christians, and Hindu nationalists? It's great that they're so willing to talk to people who vehemently disagree with them. Remember when they respectfully engaged and found common ground with MIRI critics?
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Feb 28, 2016 18:00
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Nessus posted:Mr. Rationalist isn't being clear. Do you respectfully engage everyone, even those in the outgroup for you, or do you treat everyone like poo poo in order to defy the sheeple norms and Learn Something? It's almost as if you're suggesting that they overestimating the consistency of their beliefs, which is clearly impossible, as anyone who can speak the True Name of a Bias gains power over it, and the title "Rationalist". Now, let me explain how angry white men are the true downtrodden "outgroup" of our society. They have so much to teach us, if we would but listen...
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Feb 28, 2016 18:07
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Nessus posted:Mr. Rationalist isn't being clear. Do you respectfully engage everyone, even those in the outgroup for you, or do you treat everyone like poo poo in order to defy the sheeple norms and Learn Something? Logical Rationalist:  Hey normie! Have you thought about meta level Bayesian systems today?Stupid Normie:  Shut up, nerd! "Decks rationalist's books, heads home, and proceeds to gently caress girlfriend."Logical Rationalist:  These normies are going to pay when I rule the object level world! "Picks up books, heads home, and preceeds to jack it to "Red Tidday up, White Tidday Down"."
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Feb 28, 2016 22:13
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Phil Sandifer posted a 3000-word chunk of the book to his Tumblr. He also opened his inbox to asks on the topic, the answers including various rants on LW and MIRI - for that, just go to the Tumblr and look through the past ten or eleven pages, there's a fair bit of it, all a delight. "Neoreaction is a contemporary philosophy of right-wing extremism that is so wrong as to be pathologically fascinating."
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Feb 29, 2016 16:11
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Judging by his Tumblr, Sandifer seems like an interesting guy.
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Feb 29, 2016 16:39
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Robert Anton Wilson was a Christina Hoff Sommers fan, the post-rationalist embrace of him isn't TOTALLY out of nowhere. I saw a book of hers in the Sociology section of Half Price yesterday. Got mad, bought it, and now it is destroyed.
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Feb 29, 2016 16:41
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Have a random youtube comment from a pretty sad self-hating transwoman's channel that's apparently friends of a friend of a friendquote:blmonkey4 weeks ago (edited) 
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Feb 29, 2016 20:11
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Doc Hawkins posted:How can you people waste time talking about childfrees and soosoos when super-cool rapist Roosh V is trying to figure out where the alt-right went wrong, and why it's all of a sudden full of white supremacists, some of which even are all "huh, this roosh guy is totally a rapist (and also highly un-white)". Cingulate has a new favorite as of 21:06 on Feb 29, 2016 |
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Feb 29, 2016 20:46
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Cingulate posted:Or: people arguing who is secretly ruining the world, women, Jews or blacks? Can't be all three. Rashida Jones, mysterious overlord of the human civilization
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Feb 29, 2016 21:01
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fatherboxx posted:Rashida Jones, mysterious overlord of the human civilization
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fatherboxx posted:Rashida Jones, mysterious overlord of the human civilization
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divabot posted:Phil Sandifer posted a 3000-word chunk of the book to his Tumblr. He also opened his inbox to asks on the topic, the answers including various rants on LW and MIRI - for that, just go to the Tumblr and look through the past ten or eleven pages, there's a fair bit of it, all a delight. "Neoreaction is a contemporary philosophy of right-wing extremism that is so wrong as to be pathologically fascinating." I read through part of it, and I really liked how simply he deconstructs the numerous logical contradictions and edge lord shitlers that populate NRx forums. This may actually be a book about right wingers that I pay for.
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Pope Guilty posted:Judging by his Tumblr, Sandifer seems like an interesting guy. You should see him when he gets serious.
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Count Chocula posted:Living with death and the fear of it is worse than never existing. Read Ernest Becker's The Denial of Death, but the whole philosophy can be summed up in one line from the Denial of Death. this book will change your life. it explains 90% of what people do. once you've read this book you see the stuff in it literally everywhere edit: if you don't have time, you can just listen to this lecture by California Surfer Dude, one of the founders of Terror Management Theory, which is derived from becker's work. the video desyncs but you really only need the audio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tkkmInXfOE pelswick has a new favorite as of 05:32 on Mar 1, 2016 |
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Woolie Wool posted:I can't imagine an adaptive purpose for the immense, all-consuming terror of death that would lead to one supporting anti-natalism because one is afraid of dying. That's like Eliezer Yudkowsky levels of thanatophobia. the all-consuming terror of death is an accidental negative side effect of our giant thinking brains. the way we get around it and find the strength to keep going to work and keep boning is because we believe in a bunch of fantasies that allow us to think we'll cheat death through some sort of literal (as in religions) or symbolic (such as being remembered for something important and good) form of immortality
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I don't need either of those though. I just don't consider my own death to be worth worrying about very much, especially as in my current health and at my current age it is exceedingly unlikely to happen anytime soon. These sorts of paranoid immortality and antinatalism fantasies get bandied about by people who have five, six, or even seven decades still left on the clock. Chill the gently caress out.
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Mar 1, 2016 06:18
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pelswick posted:the all-consuming terror of death is an accidental negative side effect of our giant thinking brains. the way we get around it and find the strength to keep going to work and keep boning is because we believe in a bunch of fantasies that allow us to think we'll cheat death through some sort of literal (as in religions) or symbolic (such as being remembered for something important and good) form of immortality
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pelswick posted:the all-consuming terror of death is an accidental negative side effect of our giant thinking brains... most people don't have this. if you do, get help. that our time here is limited is unquestionable, but the assumption that ending is horrible and everyone fears it is false. cessation is enough for lots of people. no afterlife, no post-death remembrance, no nothing. antinatalist's protestations to the contrary don't make it so.
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Yesterday I discovered the Gamergate phrase “ethics cvck” (spelt with a u, not a v). This is a term of censure for those who think it’s - ha! - about ethics in games journalism. They refuse to see how it’s actually about fighting the forces of SJW and might as well be SJWs themselves. Example. Oh how I laughed. It originated on 8Chan of course.
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Peztopiary posted:most people don't have this. if you do, get help Cingulate has a new favorite as of 14:43 on Mar 1, 2016 |
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Mar 1, 2016 11:37
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Best part is seeing the google trends of the term steadily decreasing. It's not like it's irrelevant to say the new flat earthers.
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divabot posted:Yesterday I discovered the Gamergate phrase “ethics cvck” (spelt with a u, not a v). This is a term of censure for those who think it’s - ha! - about ethics in games journalism. They refuse to see how it’s actually about fighting the forces of SJW and might as well be SJWs themselves. Example. Oh how I laughed. It originated on 8Chan of course. Well at least they're not trying to hide it anymore.
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The Vosgian Beast posted:How is gamergate still a thing How are Bronies still a thing? Sad nerds make an entire personality around *thing* and then never let it go.
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divabot posted:Yesterday I discovered the Gamergate phrase “ethics cvck” (spelt with a u, not a v). This is a term of censure for those who think it’s - ha! - about ethics in games journalism. They refuse to see how it’s actually about fighting the forces of SJW and might as well be SJWs themselves. Example. Oh how I laughed. It originated on 8Chan of course. Is this where they finally make genre fiction cliches come to life and forget why they're fighting this stupid war, reject being reminded of it, and simply fight just for the sake of fighting? E: After years of aspiring to be JRPG villains, I guess they finally accomplished it, minus the powers that would actually make them a threat. Parallel Paraplegic posted:How are Bronies still a thing? Sad nerds make an entire personality around *thing* and then never let it go. Bronies actually like something though. It's about liking something very particular, while Gamergate is about hating nothing in particular/everything. Woolie Wool has a new favorite as of 16:10 on Mar 1, 2016 |
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Doc Hawkins posted:You should see him when he gets serious. I always wanted to buy this instead of just reading a bunch of blog posts, but he'll be finished with it somewhere around 2025.
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The Vosgian Beast posted:How is gamergate still a thing Because we need more ethics in games journalism (and less ethnics in general).
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:How are Bronies still a thing? Sad nerds make an entire personality around *thing* and then never let it go. This imaginary conflict between nerds and "normal people" doesn't actually exist though, because the internet Kulturkampf is a nerd civil war that non-nerds have no stake in. It's about the gatekeepers and arbiters of nerd culture having their authority threatened by other nerds, some of whom are not white males, and starting a huge stupid online war to defend their position. It's also IMO part of why NRx people are so obsessed with "tribe" and "ingroup" and Gamergate with "real gamers", because they want to deny that their opponents come from within nerd culture itself, which is something I didn't really understand at first. It's nerds fighting nerds over a bunch of nerdy stuff and here we are having a gigantic nerdy megathread mocking the opposing side. But unlike Cingulate, I'm not going to spend 15 paragraphs equivocating over what if nerd fascists are actually right because they're just not.
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The Vosgian Beast posted:How is gamergate still a thing Because internet misogyny is still a thing.
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:How are Bronies still a thing? Sad nerds make an entire personality around *thing* and then never let it go. Bronies are barely still a thing, and the ones that remain are fairly quiet.
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Woolie Wool posted:This imaginary conflict between nerds and "normal people" doesn't actually exist though, because the internet Kulturkampf is a nerd civil war that non-nerds have no stake in. As always it comes down to the narcissism of small differences.
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pelswick posted:the all-consuming terror of death is an accidental negative side effect of our giant thinking brains If you have this then you are a giant baby who needs to talk to a therapist. OH NO, I'M GOING TO SLEEP FOREVER quote:There is a very much alive and healthy branch of social psychology - Terror Management Theory - whose foundational assumption is that human behavior can largely be explained by, fundamentally, dealing with fear of death. (Since it's not my branch, this is about what I know of it though.) I feel like this is one of the most obvious cases of psychologists projecting their own issues onto other people since Freud.
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It's entirely possible that they're achieving real results even if their theory is fallacious or incomplete, much like Freud probably did help a lot of people with his innovations of "Siddown and let's talk about this in a formal way while I bounce back some parts of it at you for reflection," even if it probably usually wasn't about penises. And hell, maybe sometimes it is about
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The cure for thanatophobia is to keep a plastic toy skull in every room of your house to desensitize yourself.
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The Vosgian Beast posted:The cure for thanatophobia is to keep a plastic toy skull in every room of your house to desensitize yourself. Unfortunately that induces an even worse disorder, Aurinomania.
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Woolie Wool posted:Unfortunately that induces an even worse disorder, Aurinomania. Symptoms involve hair loss, inability to open lips wide enough to drink in the presence of alcohol, poor film production and white nationalism """on paper"""
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