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Catfishenfuego posted:The weirdest thing about District 9 is that it's a film about how Apartheid was bad where the only black people in it are evil criminal voodoo cannibals. Saying it's about apartheid is implying that it's about issues that no longer exist in South Africa.
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She blows up a company ship. A company who deserves to burn.
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McDowell posted:A good writer and director could do something with Macross - there has been a 'Robotech' movie in production forever. My own dream project is a Gundam movie trilogy based on the original series. It's basically WWII with giant robots, it wouldn't even be hard to do right,
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I'm cool with Chappie, because it gave us this ridiculous Hans Zimmer chiptune dubstep tune: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJxh6LG9TEY
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Blomkamp gets backlash because (around the release of District 9) he was supposed to 'legitimize' nerd fiction. I don't really remember Elysium very well. How was it about/like Star Wars?
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MrMojok posted:I don't really remember Elysium very well. How was it about/like Star Wars? It features stuff like robot butlers, space samurai, a desert planet, abstract sci-fi religiosity, a death star designed by Syd Mead... The film uses this vocabulary to mix up the themes of Star Wars, leading to an entirely different political outcome. In the most basic sense, Star Wars is about an unending cycle of (liberal) rebellion and eventual corruption, while Elysium is about a revolution. Implicitly, then, Elysium serves as a criticism of Star Wars - saying Star Wars isn't radical enough. That Star Wars gets religion wrong. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 19:16 on Mar 1, 2016 |
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MrMojok posted:I don't really remember Elysium very well. How was it about/like Star Wars? Space, and a big circular thing in orbit.
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Baronjutter posted:a big circular thing in orbit. How is your mom?
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oldpainless posted:How is your mom? Not so well, lot of health issues. Thanks for asking.
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well why not posted:I'm cool with Chappie, because it gave us this ridiculous Hans Zimmer chiptune dubstep tune: I liked District 9 and never got around to seeing Chappie but this is loving awesome. Are there any other composers that have gone way outside their usual range? I feel like Zimmer is a bit played out sometimes but this totally renews my respect for him. Also, the Aliens soundtrack is maligned? Ripley's Rescue and Futile escape are amazing and the perfect mix of nightmare, heroism, and action. I'm actually using this for a lesson in my music class. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo9lUPeAAJs And on the topic of James Horner quoting his own material. This one always stuck out to me like a sore thumb (quote starts at :35). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMW0H-_kRGo
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:It features stuff like robot butlers, space samurai, a desert planet, abstract sci-fi religiosity, a death star designed by Syd Mead... Seems pretty far fetched, like saying Final Fantasy 12 is a remake of Star Wars.
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zenguitarman posted:I liked District 9 and never got around to seeing Chappie but this is loving awesome. Are there any other composers that have gone way outside their usual range? I feel like Zimmer is a bit played out sometimes but this totally renews my respect for him. Zimmer's Black Hawk Down soundtrack was actually pretty impressively off his beaten path.
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Tenzarin posted:Seems pretty far fetched, like saying Final Fantasy 12 is a remake of Star Wars. What you believe to be the case is unimportant. The film has, objectively, the same themes and imagery. I'm unfamiliar with that videogame, but it is certainly possible that it also resembles both the films in question. However, I think it's unlikely that it has the same 'used future' aesthetic, stripped-down mythological narrative, preoccupation with class war, etc.
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Tenzarin posted:Seems pretty far fetched, like saying Final Fantasy 12 is a remake of Star Wars. But that what I like the most about FFXII! It's similar enough to Star Wars while still being a distinct story to be fun.
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zenguitarman posted:I liked District 9 and never got around to seeing Chappie but this is loving awesome. Are there any other composers that have gone way outside their usual range? I feel like Zimmer is a bit played out sometimes but this totally renews my respect for him. Aliens soundtrack is maligned because it's a soundtrack cobbled together from soundtracks Horner already did. It was basically a temp soundtrack that got used in the final movie because of problems between him and Cameron. As much as you'd like to not blame Horner for that, he did it time and time again. It's not like Zimmer or Silvestri, where an obviously recognizable style is used in multiple films, and some fill techniques and instrumens are reused; he literally cobbled together new scores from old scores, even when not pressed for time. For instance, you said you loved Ripley's Rescue. That's nice, did you love the main section of it when it was in Wolfen?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGQ9zDKgjhc 
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All the talk of Horner's score reusage made me watch Wrath of Khan again and holy poo poo I still can't believe how good this movie is. It's loving awesome.
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Wrath of Khan and Aliens are two of the best scores ever, even though they are actually many scores in the same movie. It feels kinda dirty to like them but they are indelible parts of my childhood.
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Tenzarin posted:Seems pretty far fetched, like saying Final Fantasy 12 is a remake of Star Wars. The Final Fantasy games have always openly referenced Star Wars. I'm not sure if you could have possibly chosen a worse series of games for that analogy.
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Hodgepodge posted:The Final Fantasy games have always openly referenced Star Wars. I'm not sure if you could have possibly chosen a worse series of games for that analogy. That doesn't make them a remake though which is the point.
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Lady Naga posted:That doesn't make them a remake though which is the point. The analogy was "saying that Elysium is like Star Wars is like saying that FFXII is a remake of Star Wars." If you want to hold him to his use of the word "remake" then his analogy is even worse. I was giving him the benefit of doubt that he isn't a complete idiot.
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Hodgepodge posted:I was giving him the benefit of doubt that he isn't a complete idiot. A dangerous mistake to make
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Hodgepodge posted:The analogy was "saying that Elysium is like Star Wars is like saying that FFXII is a remake of Star Wars." Uh the point is that calling something that references another material a lot a "remake" simply because they share a ton of similarities is incredibly facile. Like Final Fantasy is the perfect example because it certainly calls back to Star Wars a ton but nobody in their right mind would say it's a remake of Star Wars.
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Lady Naga posted:Uh the point is that calling something that references another material a lot a "remake" simply because they share a ton of similarities is incredibly facile. Like Final Fantasy is the perfect example because it certainly calls back to Star Wars a ton but nobody in their right mind would say it's a remake of Star Wars. Doesn't SMG think that The Watchmen is a remake of Jurassic Park for similar reasons? 
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Lady Naga posted:Uh the point is that calling something that references another material a lot a "remake" simply because they share a ton of similarities is incredibly facile. Like Final Fantasy is the perfect example because it certainly calls back to Star Wars a ton but nobody in their right mind would say it's a remake of Star Wars. Yeah, that would be facile. It's a good thing, then, that no one in this conversation but the person I was replying to has made that mistake. Neo Rasa posted:Doesn't SMG think that The Watchmen is a remake of Jurassic Park for similar reasons? Make that two people 
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Lady Naga posted:Uh the point is that calling something that references another material a lot a "remake" simply because they share a ton of similarities is incredibly facile. Like Final Fantasy is the perfect example because it certainly calls back to Star Wars a ton but nobody in their right mind would say it's a remake of Star Wars. I'd call Eragon a remake of Star Wars.
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Hodgepodge posted:Yeah, that would be facile. It's a good thing, then, that no one in this conversation but the person I was replying to has made that mistake. Lost Highway is a great remake of Over the Top.
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People will eventually realize that I wrote 'satire', and not 'remake'.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:People will eventually realize that I wrote 'satire', and not 'remake'. A post like this is what happens when the unchecked goon hyperbole of Jurassic Park critique goes too far.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:People will eventually realize that I wrote 'satire', and not 'remake'. I think you've confused Elysium with Space Balls.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:People will eventually realize that I wrote 'satire', and not 'remake'. Remember, F. Scott Fitzgerald died thinking he would be forgotten.
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The "F" stands for Forgotten!
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Baronjutter posted:I think you've confused Elysium with Space Balls. That's a parody.
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Snowman_McK posted:That's a parody. Seems pretty far fetched, like saying Final Fantasy 12 is a remake of Star Wars.
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You'd be hard pressed to find a sci-fi movie made after 1977 that isn't a remake of
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IM_DA_DECIDER posted:You'd be hard pressed to find a sci-fi movie made after 1977 that isn't a remake of But that's just a theory...A film theory.
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Hodgepodge posted:The Final Fantasy games have always openly referenced Star Wars. I'm not sure if you could have possibly chosen a worse series of games for that analogy. FF12 is amazing, its just the good version wasn't brought over here.
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Tenzarin posted:FF12 is amazing, its just the good version wasn't brought over here. I meant "worse" as in "worse for the purposes of the point you were making." Although FFXII desperately needs a Phantom Edit which removes Vaan and lets Matsuno do his thing.
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Hodgepodge posted:I meant "worse" as in "worse for the purposes of the point you were making." Just pretend he is never there, he is in none of the important scenes.
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