Tippis posted:

Whathowinthewhynow?!?

How the hell do you lose track of an object just because it's at a given speed? And if it didn't, how did it suddenly realise that it had too many ships? And why does it randomly remove ships when this happen rather than something sane and sensible?

Klyith posted:

To be fair, the Star Marine Indefinite Hiatus got reported pretty widely and with a lot of vague mentions of other signs of trouble at CIG. Which brings up a couple points I think you missed in your reasons for why the games press is ignoring the story:

5) What good does it do? The press can't tell people to try to get refunds and chargebacks. It's a lawsuit target, it would cause trouble for crowdfunding in general, and it's not possible for everyone to get their money back anyways. Starting a bank run right now would mean people get 25 cents on the dollar and no game, and would let Crobber ride off into the sunset with no need to justify his failure. Possibly that type of ending even allows the executives to hide more for themselves in the chaos.

The time to stop people putting money into SC was 2014, and that was well before there was good evidence to back up the naysaying. Goons still believed in 2014.

6) No one wants to be the bearer of bad news. I think the deluge of pro-citizen comments in every news article isn't a coincidence. The traditional games media audience and the SC backer base have a lot of overlap. Press was one of the reasons that the hype train got started -- I think journalists have been justifiably concerned with their own role in the kickstarter frenzy of 2012-13, especially as the stragglers are turning bad. Telling people the $4 million they put into Mighty no 9 resulted in a crap game is one thing. Telling them their SC "investment" has turned to poo poo is another.

Krakenwagen posted:

I can only conclude that the ship was exceeding the speed of parp, thus creating a parpspace distortion.

Michaellaneous posted:

Totally off topic, but how is Crate and Crowbar, compared to, let's say, Retsutalk and Chipod Ironicast?

Tank Boy Ken posted:

And to add insult to injury

code:

if (num_ships > 16)
{
	shipList[0].Delete();
	spawnNewShip();
}  

Tippis posted:

Whathowinthewhynow?!?

How the hell do you lose track of an object just because it's at a given speed? And if it didn't, how did it suddenly realise that it had too many ships? And why does it randomly remove ships when this happen rather than something sane and sensible?

AP posted:

Tippis posted:

Whathowinthewhynow?!?

How the hell do you lose track of an object just because it's at a given speed? And if it didn't, how did it suddenly realise that it had too many ships? And why does it randomly remove ships when this happen rather than something sane and sensible?

G0RF posted:

[i](drat this is a long post. I apologize if it bored anybody. The question of 'when will the story break open?' comes up a lot and I figured it was worth examining in detail.

AP posted:

Ships stop being ships in Quantum travel, that's why you can't count it. There are a few things I'd assume from this, an easy fix of making QT ships a subset of the normal class of ships for the count isn't actually easy as it will screw up something else. You've never going to be able to affect a ship in QT from outside the ship (it's not a ship anymore) and they worded that very carefully "moving above a certain speed".

Toops posted:

Knowing CIG, their code probably looks like this:

code:

if (Math.Abs(num_ships.Length()) > new Double(16))
{
	Ship s = ShipFactory.GetShipFromList(shipList, new Randomizer(shipList.Length())).Serialize();
	if (s.Deserialize() != null || (s.object_id > 1e4 && s.favoriteCereal != CerealEnum.CountChocula))
	{
		Ship deletedShip = shipList.Delete(FindIndex(shipList, s));
		shipList.Add(SpawnNewShip(), FindIndexOfDeleteObject(deletedShip));	
	}
}  

Madcosby posted:

I skipped around a lot

he literally promises:

birds
planetary biomes (including streams, clouds, alien wildlife, BIRDS)

Toops posted:

I love crate and crowbar. The dudes are funny as hell, are really open about likes and dislikes, and really deep-dive into game mechanics and design choices. I've never heard Retsutalk/Chipod, they good?

Ursine Catastrophe posted:

Given that they’re talking about ships and not people, how much do you want to bet that their method for tracking which people are ships and which people are people is by velocity?

Tank Boy Ken posted:

Honest answer: It seems the player controller becomes the ship when you enter THE CHAIR! (there can only be one true chair). But when when you go to Quantum Travel your Character/Ship is held in limbo, thus is no longer part of the "official" shipList. Since it is being handed off to another scene/map/parpSpace. I wouldn't be suprised if it's due to their "64bit"* solution.

[etc]

trucutru posted:

There is already too much geekery in here but you need to do random numbers right.

code:

if (Math.Abs(num_ships.Length()) > new Double(16))
{
	int rndSeed = 42;  //If EVE can do it we can too. We'll show them!
	Random rndNum = new Random(rndSeed);
	Ship s = ShipFactory.GetShipFromList(shipList, ((int)rndNum.nextFloat(shipList.Length()))).Serialize();
	if (s.Deserialize() != null || (s.object_id > 1e4 && s.favoriteCereal != CerealEnum.CountChocula))
	{	
		Ship deletedShip = shipList.Delete(FindIndex(shipList, s));
		shipList.Add(SpawnNewShip(), FindIndexOfDeleteObject(deletedShip));	
	}
}  

Omi-Polari posted:

The Escapist already covered the story. How would another publication do it better? Private companies are difficult to report on if they're not under indictment or there's no obvious paper trail, hence the need to talk to former employees.

Well, The Escapist did that.

What I don't understand though is why the gaming press doesn't report on them blowing their deadlines. That's a quickie post right there and guaranteed traffic. Report the bad news! The only explanation that sounds plausible to me is that the gaming press is foremost an enthusiast press.

Tippis posted:

I'd like to change my answer from to and not take that bet because even if I won, the stupidity of it all would mean I lose.

I suppose that would answer the “how” but just raises more “why?!”s. Session and state changes aren't voodoo, and there are well-established practices for doing them. You don't remove stuff from lists until you are really really sure that the transition has worked, and you definitely do not start to randomly delete things if it turns out it didn't.

I think I see where the bug is. CerealEnum is obviously not set or compared correctly.

Crazy_BlackParrot posted:

LMAO :
https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/320510/cig-please-bring-back-the-old-quality
Build 1

Build 2.2

trucutru posted:

Whoa, whoa, whoa! You have to keep track of both the ships in regular space and the ones in quantum travel? Goddamn, that kind of poo poo has never been done before. Luckily, solving this kind of conundrums is why they pay them the big bucks!

SelenicMartian posted:

Does the whole quantum drive removing ships from ship count and leading to spawning bugs situation mean you can grief the entire server by repeatedly warping short distances somewhere far away?

XeeD posted:

Fat kids take time to get up to speed, okay?

G0RF posted:

https://gfycat.com/GrayWideeyedGalapagosalbatross

Looks like Chris' long-promised gradual acceleration from walk to jog to sprint has finally been added. Yet another commitment to "immersion" that renders the prospects of VR immersion unlikely...