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Venom Snake posted:I was replying to a post about how voting can gain you influence I was not saying that were going to see a huge amount of young leftist turnout. Sorry I'm just snarkin
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Homework Explainer posted:if you take money = speech as a given, maybe, but i do not. Ok random internet dude. In the mean time, the law works differently.
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How about tie the maximum campaign/PAC donation to 100x the minimum wage
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Mystic_Shadow posted:We can't get rid of FPTP because extremists are going to have a few seats in congress! We can't have public financing because public money is going to be used for a racist's campaign! You can't get rid of FPTP because it's baked into our how 200+ of political elections and representation in this country's political makeup. We can't have public financing for, well, starters, because good loving luck ever actually getting the funding mechanism to work.
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Homework Explainer posted:if you take money = speech as a given, maybe, but i do not. Money isn't speech but support of a candidate is. Money is/isn't speech is a red herring issue, literally all it effects is if you're allowed to put a cap on money or not. Even if we decide it isn't speech again and the caps come back on you still have issues with some candidates getting donors that max out contributions in a day and some that struggle to.
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Philip Rivers posted:You aren't addressing my point whatsoever, but whether or not leftists vote for Clinton in the general will have no discernable impact on the race and do nothing to influence party politics. If leftists get involved in pushing the party towards progressivism at the state and local level then sure, but it's still lovely to demand that people vote with your candidate they don't like because the other one is worse. I'm sorry I was being salty. But I get really riled up when it comes to voting because I hate how low turnout is amongst young voters. But yeah it's obvious with Bernies run that there is a movement to shift the Democratic party to the left. I'm not really demanding anything, more trying to emphasize that voting against the GOP is also important.
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babypolis posted:its gonna be a bad year for dems primary turnout has no correlation with GE turnout. nor do polls of head-to-head matchups prior to the conventions. otherwise we would've had president dukakis, h.w. bush's 2nd term, president kerry, etc. Shinjobi posted:That's my point exactly. I don't send a message by voting for her. I don't send a message by not voting for her. you actually do send a message by not voting for the candidate ideologically closest to you and that message is "gently caress trying to appeal to whatever i'm supporting because i won't vote when the chips are down unless you give me 100% of what i want and even then maybe not". this is why you don't see any non-insane candidate running on a platform that appeals primarily to 18-30 year-olds because they dont vote. the evangelical wing didn't get influential in the GOP by constantly acting like some amazing prize to be won. they voted and then by wielding influence in the primaries they pushed candidates in the direction they wanted. it took decades but they now have substantial influence in the party. sitting at home jerking off to your ideological purity gets you nothing. axeil has issued a correction as of 06:33 on Mar 2, 2016 |
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Trump is the least horrible republican candidate. That speaks less to Trump being a good potential president and more to the fact that a neoliberal with energy is better than neoconservative sleep aid spokesmen. Carson cant even stay awake on stage jfc
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Homework Explainer posted:if you take money = speech as a given, maybe, but i do not. I don't understand how your differentiate between spending you like versus spending you don't like.
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Epic High Five posted:How about tie the maximum campaign/PAC donation to 100x the minimum wage We already limit PAC/Campaign donations to less than that.
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Quorum posted:the candidate I like is Jesus and the other candidate(s) is mega hitler, so anyone who votes for any candidates other than mine in the primary is at least microhitler, and should be banished from the party Microhitler doesn't sound that bad, honestly. Like, at that kind of a scale he's probably just got a bit of a temper and ambivalent feelings about Woody Allen.
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Maybe MN is the troll state. We gave Rubio a win, which keeps him in it longer. More entertainment for everyone! 
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Neurolimal posted:Drumpf is the least horrible republican candidate. That speaks less to Drumpf being a good potential president and more to the fact that a neoliberal with energy is better than neoconservative sleep aid spokesmen. Hahahahahahahahaha Joementum posted:I don't understand how your differentiate between spending you like versus spending you don't like. Also this, how do we do this without also, say, crippling unions' ability to support leftwing options?
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axeil posted:
I'm not sitting at home. If anyone is going to respond to me please try to actually read what I'm typing please. 
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:You can't get rid of FPTP because it's baked into our how 200+ of political elections and representation in this country's political makeup. Once again, it all boils down to "can't change tradition, gotta stick with establishment politics."
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Homework Explainer posted:if you take money = speech as a given, maybe, but i do not. Money = speech actually makes a lot of sense to me, but it just makes me think that a country that doesn't provide it's citizens with the basics (house, health, food, education, etc) is actively infringing on free speech by forcing poor people to spend that money on necessities and having none to actually use to make a statement. Has anyone tried using Citizen's United to argue for socialized healthcare yet?
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:That is now how the "board of directors" for the parent company for a newsite works. Yeah, they only have infinitely more power than my boss does. Not that it matters, there are probably lots of pro-clinton shills staffed that she probably doesn't need to make a telephone call or anything.
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Yoshifan823 posted:Everyone's political opinions deserve funding, even the horrible racists. But enough about the state democratic party being complicit in slavery.
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Venom Snake posted:I'm sorry I was being salty. But I get really riled up when it comes to voting because I hate how low turnout is amongst young voters. But yeah it's obvious with Bernies run that there is a movement to shift the Democratic party to the left. I'm not really demanding anything, more trying to emphasize that voting against the GOP is also important. I canvas and do GOTV stuff so I also agree that voting is important! I just think the presidential election is a spectacle that distracts people from actually participating in politics and if you'd rather not check a box for either presidential candidate then fine by me, it won't actually matter because your vote is so wildly dilute by how the EC works anyway.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Hahahahahahahahaha If it's a race between him and Cruz this is true.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Hahahahahahahahaha That is actually true tho. Trump has accidentally argued for a few (very small and kinda inconsequential) liberal positions, such as allowing the government to bargain with pharma companies for Medicare, whereas I think Ted Cruz would not be truly happy until God was elected permanent president/ruler of The Godnited Gods of Godmerica.
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uncurable mlady posted:I lost some of my respect for Vermont tonight, just FYI. Republicans in Vermont are basically unicorns. I guess there are 30,000 of them but still.
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Lu Yan posted:Ok random internet dude. In the mean time, the law works differently. it's a real shame the law is written in stone, huh
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Hahahahahahahahaha Well in theory union members outnumber the capitalists, thus they could maybe "vote" for the candidate they support, and given their superior numbers, they would win vs the fewer, yet richer, nominees.
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Joe, for the second Super Tuesday, could you make separate threads for Dems and GOP? Seeing the reactions of Trump speech virgins isn't worth these neverending arguments.
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Yoshifan823 posted:That is actually true tho. Trump has accidentally argued for a few (very small and kinda inconsequential) liberal positions, such as allowing the government to bargain with pharma companies for Medicare, whereas I think Ted Cruz would not be truly happy until God was elected permanent president/ruler of The Godnited Gods of Godmerica. tbqf, God would be a pretty good PotUS.
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Jewel Repetition posted:Joe, for the second Super Tuesday, could you make separate threads for Dems and GOP? Seeing the reactions of Trump speech virgins isn't worth these neverending arguments. I'll not be making any threads for contests going forward, so it's up to whomever else wants to do it.
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I just realized that Bernie's been winning the primaries in the swing states so far. What are the odds that those former Bernie voters, faced with voting for Clinton, don't vote or--even worse--vote Republican in the general?
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If you're hoping to make a political statement with a GE vote then you waited way too long. The GE is the payoff. All change is local.
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Total Democratic Voters TOTAL 5,265,203 Total Republican Voters TOTAL 7,683,315 Hahahaha Jesus. Also I got all of those numbers from here : http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2016/primaries/2016-03-01#AK-GOP Then just only included states that were Democrat and Republican Primary.
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Joementum posted:I'll not be making any threads for contests going forward, so it's up to whomever else wants to do it. Oh. Did you hate how this one went or just not consider them important anymore since the nominees are clear?
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Mister Fister posted:Yeah, they only have infinitely more power than my boss does. Not that it matters, there are probably lots of pro-clinton shills staffed that she probably doesn't need to make a telephone call or anything. Jesus christ you're an idiot. Mystic_Shadow posted:Once again, it all boils down to "can't change tradition, gotta stick with establishment politics." And just how do you propose, in concrete terms, to do either.
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lelandjs posted:I just realized that Bernie's been winning the primaries in the swing states so far. What are the odds that those former Bernie voters, faced with voting for Clinton, don't vote or--even worse--vote Republican in the general? 0. Every poll so far has indicated his supports are fine voting for Clinton and visa versa.
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lelandjs posted:I just realized that Bernie's been winning the primaries in the swing states so far. What are the odds that those former Bernie voters, faced with voting for Clinton, don't vote or--even worse--vote Republican in the general? Hillary won virtually every swing state in 2008 and that was a far more divisive election.
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