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| Goku |
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202 | 7.09% |
| Vegeta |
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279 | 9.79% |
| Krillin |
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208 | 7.30% |
| Piccolo or his nameks |
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212 | 7.44% |
| Gohan or Cool Gohan |
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135 | 4.74% |
| Yamcha |
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90 | 3.16% |
| Tien |
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120 | 4.21% |
| Muten Roshi |
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89 | 3.12% |
| Tao Pai Pai |
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71 | 2.49% |
| Frieza |
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69 | 2.42% |
| Cell or an android |
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86 | 3.02% |
| Buu |
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62 | 2.18% |
| Hercule "Mark" Satan |
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327 | 11.48% |
| Videl |
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90 | 3.16% |
| Bulma |
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104 | 3.65% |
| Yajirobe |
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99 | 3.47% |
| Ginyu or other Frieza squad guy |
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68 | 2.39% |
| King kai or another kai |
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53 | 1.86% |
| Chi-Chi |
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83 | 2.91% |
| Goten |
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43 | 1.51% |
| Trunks or Cool Trunks |
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112 | 3.93% |
| Bardock |
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48 | 1.68% |
| Other villain of DB,Z, or GT(please post about it!) |
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41 | 1.44% |
| Uub |
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42 | 1.47% |
| Oolong |
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90 | 3.16% |
| Zamasu |
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26 | 0.91% |
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I was told that One Punch Man saved anime
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Mar 2, 2016 06:49
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Spiritus Nox posted:I was told that One Punch Man saved anime The only way to save anime is to kill it
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Mar 2, 2016 06:54
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OPM is the next massively overhyped thing.
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Mar 2, 2016 06:55
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CharlestheHammer posted:OPM is the next massively overhyped thing. I like it better than Kill la Kill at least. There's probably DBZ crossover fanart of that too.
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Mar 2, 2016 06:58
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CharlestheHammer posted:OPM is the next massively overhyped thing. How about instead of posting stuff like this, explain yourself. Or is it another case of goons overhype it. Shindragon fucked around with this message at 07:02 on Mar 2, 2016 |
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Mar 2, 2016 06:59
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Shindragon posted:How about instead of posting stuff like this, explain yourself. My statement is pretty blunt. I still like OPM as its pretty fun. Overhyped doesn't have to mean bad.
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Mar 2, 2016 07:01
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Fair enough.
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Mar 2, 2016 07:02
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Supers animation is made worse because its no more detailed than the Z anime was, but is much more crisp in HD. Makes it look like its drawn in Paint 
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Mar 2, 2016 07:56
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Veg posted:Supers animation is made worse because its no more detailed than the Z anime was, but is much more crisp in HD. I hate whatever effect they use for God Ki though
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Mar 2, 2016 08:01
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CharlestheHammer posted:OPM is the next massively overhyped thing. CharlestheHammer posted:My statement is pretty blunt. I still like OPM as its pretty fun. Overhyped doesn't have to mean bad.
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Mar 2, 2016 08:34
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SirKibbles posted:I hate whatever effect they use for God Ki though I've hated most of everything in Super so far. I'm sticking to the manga for the foreseeable future.
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Mar 2, 2016 08:43
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There's a part of me that wants to see super animated the old way in standard def.
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Mar 2, 2016 15:24
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Mordaedil posted:Usually we say "hyped", as "overhyped" means it is a Bad Thing™ getting too much unjust attention. Nah. "Overhyped" applies to a lot of good things that go from "this is good" to "Oh GOD best thing EVER I must never stop talking about it." Also known as the Dark Souls Effect
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Mar 2, 2016 16:06
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Or the Gurren Lagaan effect.
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Mar 2, 2016 16:12
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Or the "everything a significant amount of people has ever liked" effect that you should really stop caring about
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Mar 2, 2016 16:15
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Flippinlikebirds posted:Now that the anime is ahead of the manga I've started watching it. I heard the animation was bad, but I still wasn't prepared for this. I guess the Super manga will be the definitive version when it's finished. I'd be surprised if the Manga stays where it finished up considering it's jumped ahead a bit in the past. It'll probably end up jumping around and not being very coherent when finished.
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Mar 2, 2016 16:18
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Josuke Higashikata posted:I'd be surprised if the Manga stays where it finished up considering it's jumped ahead a bit in the past. It'll probably end up jumping around and not being very coherent when finished. It jumped ahead because the same artist did a manga for RoF already I believe.
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Mar 2, 2016 16:23
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Augus posted:Or the "everything a significant amount of people has ever liked" effect that you should really stop caring about Overhyped is "anything people REALLY like that I either only kinda like or actually dislike". Occasionally you get Spore or something like that tho. How are they gonna handle the anime/manga divide, actually? Should we expect ridiculous amounts of filler very soon?
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Mar 2, 2016 16:30
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Dias posted:Overhyped is "anything people REALLY like that I either only kinda like or actually dislike". Occasionally you get Spore or something like that tho. The manga for Super is a tie-in designed to promote the anime, not vice-versa. They probably will just go past it.
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Mar 2, 2016 16:33
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Drowning Rabbit posted:Also, people constantly complaining about the animation REALLY need to look at the original series. I did, I watched the entire Buu saga before I started on DB Super, and I found really large difference in animation quality. Maybe if you want to compare it to some old Dragonball episodes or early seasons of DBZ, but against the Buu saga DB Super is decidedly inferior in terms of animation quality.
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Mar 2, 2016 17:42
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I gotta say, the most recent episodes of super, I guess I haven't really noticed the terrible animation or whatever. Like I'm not trying to say it's the Miyazaki or anything, but it's not taking me out of the show or anything. That has happened with earlier episodes like the Goku/Beerus fight at King Kai's that my avatar's from but it's been fine recently. Maybe I'm just a moron.
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Mar 2, 2016 17:45
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Rutibex posted:I did, I watched the entire Buu saga before I started on DB Super, and I found really large difference in animation quality. Maybe if you want to compare it to some old Dragonball episodes or early seasons of DBZ, but against the Buu saga DB Super is decidedly inferior in terms of animation quality. Really? You might want to rewatch the Buu saga because it had some hilariously terrible animation. Characters changed models from scene to scene and while it had different kinds of bad animation it still had really bad animation.  Not that that is anything new.  such high quality animation... Fortunately dramatic scenes looked goo...  Okay but maybe...  Well they at least...  Okay but the movies...  I mean I dislike the coloring in Super (and generally am not super-fond of cheap digital coloring in general) but the actual animation in the original DBZ was rear end 90% of the time. That doesn't excuse crappy animation but it isn't really new. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Mar 2, 2016 |
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Mar 2, 2016 18:01
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ImpAtom posted:Really? You might want to rewatch the Buu saga because it had some hilariously terrible animation. Characters changed models from scene to scene and while it had different kinds of bad animation it still had really bad animation. I don't think this one is fair, this is just a consequence of the medium. Its a weekly show, as it was meant to be seen, a person would have 7 full days between seeing those two scenes, so it wouldn't be that jarring. Now of course, it is more noticeable in our modern world of Blu-rays and TV show marathons, but I will give them some slack. The other ones are hilariously bad 
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Mar 2, 2016 18:14
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Rutibex posted:I don't think this one is fair, this is just a consequence of the medium. Its a weekly show, as it was meant to be seen, a person would have 7 full days between seeing those two scenes, so it wouldn't be that jarring. Now of course, it is more noticeable in our modern world of Blu-rays and TV show marathons, but I will give them some slack.  Consequence of the medium? Don't try and say that Super is bad because it's just not animated well, and then try and white knight the exact same problem in the saga you claim is animated better. it's not like a week has gotten longer in the time between the Buu Saga and Super. Anime in general is a victim of it's own success, and it's been said several times in interviews with animators. There just isn't enough time in the Japanese animation schedule to warrant the production schedules that they adhere to. It isn't a recent problem either. The speed at which people consume and can give feedback on products is insanely faster than previous generations, exacerbating the problem to the nth degree.
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Mar 2, 2016 18:59
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Weekly long-form shows with little in the way of "off-season" time are always gonna have poo poo like this. Hell shows with less demanding schedules have these issues. Super's animation is okay, it's predictably inconsistent. It does have a different art and coloring style from the original though so I can easily see how people would like it less than the original.
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Mar 2, 2016 19:07
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Augus posted:Weekly long-form shows with little in the way of "off-season" time are always gonna have poo poo like this. Hell shows with less demanding schedules have these issues. The coloring I totally agree with. While it doesn't bother me, I can see that argument. However claiming that the animation in the old show was somehow perfect and this is making GBS threads all over it? That is obscene. The problem is that even shows like Attack on Titan have had this issue, and that Anime had a much shorter run. The main problem I see is just the fact that we're in HD now, so you can't hide nearly as much poo poo as you used to be able to get away with, and the fact that the internet let's you bitch about something for minimal effort. It's not like 20+ years ago when you would have to take out a pen and paper, and write out your opinion, mail it to a studio and hope it got read by someone.
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Mar 2, 2016 19:17
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Drowning Rabbit posted:The coloring I totally agree with. While it doesn't bother me, I can see that argument. However claiming that the animation in the old show was somehow perfect and this is making GBS threads all over it? That is obscene. The problem is that even shows like Attack on Titan have had this issue, and that Anime had a much shorter run. The main problem I see is just the fact that we're in HD now, so you can't hide nearly as much poo poo as you used to be able to get away with, and the fact that the internet let's you bitch about something for minimal effort. It's not like 20+ years ago when you would have to take out a pen and paper, and write out your opinion, mail it to a studio and hope it got read by someone. Attack on Titan had some particularly hilarious ones.  "Eh, nobody'll notice."
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Mar 2, 2016 19:20
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ImpAtom posted:Attack on Titan had some particularly hilarious ones. Re-rendering a scene where you accidentally used the old version is probably making everyone at Madhouse cry. I don't think any of these mistakes we show off are really a result of laziness as much as human errors where the cost to fix them don't justify just moving on.
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Mar 2, 2016 19:39
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Mordaedil posted:Re-rendering a scene where you accidentally used the old version is probably making everyone at Madhouse cry. I don't think any of these mistakes we show off are really a result of laziness as much as human errors where the cost to fix them don't justify just moving on. To be fair that's true of a lot of things. For some reason people just default to 'they're lazy' when the poor bastard actually responsible for doing poo poo on a tight deadline is probably the opposite of lazy.
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Mar 2, 2016 19:42
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Drowning Rabbit posted:The coloring I totally agree with. While it doesn't bother me, I can see that argument. However claiming that the animation in the old show was somehow perfect and this is making GBS threads all over it? That is obscene. The problem is that even shows like Attack on Titan have had this issue, and that Anime had a much shorter run. The main problem I see is just the fact that we're in HD now, so you can't hide nearly as much poo poo as you used to be able to get away with, and the fact that the internet let's you bitch about something for minimal effort. It's not like 20+ years ago when you would have to take out a pen and paper, and write out your opinion, mail it to a studio and hope it got read by someone. Not sure if HD is really the main problem, no amount of pixels per inch is going to hide a scene that's just a still frame with talking over it (see: AoT) I think it's just the industry is too big for its own good and the schedules are too tight for a reasonable standard of quality to ever be maintained by human beings
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Mar 2, 2016 20:05
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The argument for HD being bad for disguising cut corners is that screens are generally much, much larger now so the cut corners take up a lot more real estate and picture quality is a lot clearer than it used to be. When you're watching Dragonball Z in fuzzy old 480p on a 20inch CRT TV or so, that's going to go a long way to disguising that Vegeta stood over in the corner looks like poo poo.
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Mar 2, 2016 20:11
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My biggest issue with DBS is the coloring, but I bet they're swamping broke-rear end illustrators with that on top of animation under an impossible schedule. Some people use the "but look at how much money it makes" counter-argument when it comes to bad animation in these series, but it's really not a problem that could be solved just by throwing cash at it - it's just not how production works.
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Mar 2, 2016 20:23
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Dias posted:My biggest issue with DBS is the coloring, but I bet they're swamping broke-rear end illustrators with that on top of animation under an impossible schedule. Some people use the "but look at how much money it makes" counter-argument when it comes to bad animation in these series, but it's really not a problem that could be solved just by throwing cash at it - it's just not how production works. A season system for animated shows would probably help. Having a year-ish to do 26 episodes ought to improve quality.
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Mar 2, 2016 20:31
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the 7 year olds this stuff is made for could really really give a flying poo poo
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Mar 2, 2016 21:04
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ImpAtom posted:Attack on Titan had some particularly hilarious ones. To be fair, I totally didn't notice. I guess animation just looks better when you're not dissecting the stills.
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Mar 2, 2016 21:12
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Covok posted:A season system for animated shows would probably help. Having a year-ish to do 26 episodes ought to improve quality. A lot of anime does that. Then there are longer shows that just air continuously.
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Mar 2, 2016 21:13
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Aurora posted:A lot of anime does that. I know. I'm really just commenting that the "continuous" system is kind of meh. The animation tends to be worse and the workers probably live in perpetual crunch time.
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Mar 2, 2016 21:22
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I think the problem is less Super's animation and how you can look at any single still of the show and see something janky and bad. Even One Piece doesn't have that problem to the degree Super does. It's straight up the bottom of Toei's barrel.
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Mar 2, 2016 21:34
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Blockhouse posted:I think the problem is less Super's animation and how you can look at any single still of the show and see something janky and bad. One Piece is a lot worse than Super. At least Super can show movement, One Piece constantly fails at even showing the bare minimum of action.
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Mar 2, 2016 22:06
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Blockhouse posted:I think the problem is less Super's animation and how you can look at any single still of the show and see something janky and bad. That's a pretty silly exaggeration. "Every single frame of this show is bad" isn't even an argument because there are plenty of frames which look fine.
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