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Naturally Selected posted:A game that expressly never even had so much as a sanity check, let alone an anti-cheat solution implemented. Yeah that's definitely gonna be the case with all the other games on PC, as well To be fair the fact that a Japanese dev even made a PC version was crazy unusual.
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Tenzarin posted:Cant wait too see how good it is when I set my health to 9,223,372,036,854,775,807 with cheat engine. Does fairfight check the registers? is the character data stored server side or on my computer? Easy. Multiple ways...When the game checks your HP for whatever reason it sees your level and sees gently caress off amounts of HP on a level 30 character when with all the other 30s the max HP the game saw at that level with that gear or stats was 500,000. It's an outlier and it triggers anti cheat.
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Tamayachi posted:Aww yeah, another 9pm unlock for the West Coast WEST COAST BEST COAST.
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Dexo posted:Easy. Multiple ways...When the game checks your HP for whatever reason it sees your level and sees gently caress off amounts of HP on a level 30 character when with all the other 30s the max HP the game saw at that level with that gear or stats was 500,000. It's an outlier and it triggers anti cheat. So errors in their software could trigger anti cheat, that doesn't sound right. I bet its just checking for injections. Tenzarin fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Mar 2, 2016 |
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Snostorm posted:WEST COAST BEST COAST. 8PM for me. Alaska coast is the best coast!
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Tenzarin posted:So errors in their software could trigger anti cheat, that doesn't would right. I bet its just checking for injections. That's not how fairfight works, as has been pointed out like a dozen times in this thread alone. They might have injector detection as well, but FF works on a completely different level. Ostrava posted:To be fair the fact that a Japanese dev even made a PC version was crazy unusual. It's still a poo poo comparison point, though. E: How's the situation in R6 Siege? Hadn't played it, but that's probably using the same kind of countermeasures as The Division is going to be on a macro level. Naturally Selected fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Mar 2, 2016 |
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Tenzarin posted:So errors in their software could trigger anti cheat, that doesn't would right. I bet its just checking for injections. Fairfight literally has nothing to do with the clients. It does no checking of programs that are being run client side. Only information on the data that gets sent to the servers. And it requires either a comical overstep of the bounds of the game. I.E setting health or gun damage to out of bounds ranges, Or a ton of irregular data points to actually execute a ban.
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I hope NZ gets a 2hr headstart on Australia, but it's not looking likely I think, esp with dedicated outback servers
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Tenzarin posted:So errors in their software could trigger anti cheat, that doesn't sound right. I bet its just checking for injections. First time I saw it in action was when they deployed it to bf4 and it caught people who were glitching to reach places you normally can't access. It's pretty smart.
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According to how fairfight is working for rainbow6 siege, sounds like its not working at all. "everyone is a hacker" is basically what they are saying.
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Naturally Selected posted:I gotta ask since this keeps getting brought up.... where are these ravening hordes of hackers, exactly? Outside of lovely F2P games I don't think I've seen blatant hacking for more than 30 seconds in a game in years. Or are people just taking every OMG U KILL ME U HAX comment seriously, cause poo poo, then yeah literally every semi-decent shooter player on PC is definitely a hacker and it's a massive problem. People are really terrible at figuring out when people are actually cheating. It's a lot easier, I think, to believe that someone cheated than it is to accept that some people have played a lot of video games and have developed reflexes/situational awareness that are vastly superior to yours. The only game in which I observed total and unrepentant cheating was WarZ, if that means anything to anyone. And the only reason I know that literally everyone was doing it in that game was because I was, too. Everyone had an ESP hack, at the very least, and as a result, everyone just stood around staring at one another through walls. Devs implemented an anticheat (PB and Fairfight both, I think), and shockingly, practically all cheating disappeared. They later pulled the anticheat, with predictable results. tl;dr: The anticheat should work fine. Maybe you'll get hit by a hacker every once in a while, but that's life. Sorry about your scarf. Oh, I also figure that the rogue mechanics actually help with this, too. If you go rogue, everyone effectively gets ESP on you. Thus, even as a rogue, short of using an aimbot or something, there's not much you can do to get an edge on victims, since you'll at best have information parity with opponents. And an aimbot will get caught pretty fast, I imagine. And if you're not rogue, the impact of any hacks you use are pretty limited.
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Edit: ^^ Aimbots and anything that touches Accuracy and mouse movements will get absolutely torched by Fairfight. Mostly Fairfight isn't unbeatable, but it will stop the majority of the dumb hackers, who just open up cheat engine, or find a hack on a website and use it. Mostly any visual hack(wall hacks, etc etc) won't get detected unless you change up your playstyle because of said information advantage. If you can "play like you are being spectated" even though you have knowledge you shouldn't have then It will take way longer or be impossible to be detected. Dexo fucked around with this message at 20:57 on Mar 2, 2016 |
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Dexo posted:who just open up cheat engine No anti-cheat looks at running programs.
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Tenzarin posted:No anti-cheat looks at running programs. Eh? What is the point you are trying to make.
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Dexo posted:Eh? What is the point you are trying to make. You can leave cheat engine running.
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Tenzarin posted:You can leave cheat engine running. Sure, but anything you change in Cheat Engine will most likely be detected by Fairfight when it hits the server.
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Dexo posted:Sure, but anything you change in Cheat Engine will most likely be detected by Fairfight when it hits the server. How do you know?
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Tenzarin posted:How do you know? Name something you can change or do in Cheat Engine in this game and I will tell you how Fairfight would likely detect it and flag your account. I've already told you about changing HP figures. Mostly any cheat involving the changing of anything governed by stats will get instantly detected the second you send out of wack data to the server and isn't even worth considering.
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Dexo posted:Name something you can change or do in Cheat Engine in this game and I will tell you how Fairfight would likely detect it and flag your account. Are you an engineer working on this project? Do you have some magic insight into their proprietary software? If not, what the hell are you talking about here
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quote:How does FairFight Work? More info on how this work can be read at https://gameblocks.com/faqs - Seems there is fairfight and watchdog and they work together or whatever.
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Slanderer posted:Are you an engineer working on this project? Do you have some magic insight into their proprietary software? If not, what the hell are you talking about here Fairfight isn't proprietary software lol. It's a middleware that a ton of games use, with a ton of information out there about how it works. Edit: Or Look above me.
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Slanderer posted:Are you an engineer working on this project? Do you have some magic insight into their proprietary software? If not, what the hell are you talking about here ...how fairlight works is pretty open knowledge
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Tenzarin posted:According to how fairfight is working for rainbow6 siege, sounds like its not working at all. "everyone is a hacker" is basically what they are saying. Everybody cries hacker in siege but its really just netcode, i honestly can't say i've seen a hacker in the game and i've played 50 hours or more of it.
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I can't wait for 3/8/16 but I feel like this game has an incredibly annoying "feature". Why can't I inspect other players? Why can't I show this dude in my group the weapon I just picked up? Is this ability going to ruin my "dark zone" or PVE experience? It makes no sense in a game all about loot discovery and customization to not allow the basic ability to check what someone else is using...
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I see this thread is still haunted by edgelords too thick to comprehend the results of basic google searches. RIP goons the posting quality on this site is now on par with gamefaqs.
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Chim posted:I can't wait for 3/8/16 but I feel like this game has an incredibly annoying "feature". Why can't I inspect other players? Why can't I show this dude in my group the weapon I just picked up? Is this ability going to ruin my "dark zone" or PVE experience? It makes no sense in a game all about loot discovery and customization to not allow the basic ability to check what someone else is using... Uh, maybe I a remembering it wrong, but I am pretty sure if you went up to someone in the DZ and hit tab (after prompt comes up so you don't melee them and go rogue) it would inspect them and show you their poo poo. Button is obviously different for console..
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Chim posted:I can't wait for 3/8/16 but I feel like this game has an incredibly annoying "feature". Why can't I inspect other players? Why can't I show this dude in my group the weapon I just picked up? Is this ability going to ruin my "dark zone" or PVE experience? It makes no sense in a game all about loot discovery and customization to not allow the basic ability to check what someone else is using... jesus christ
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Deakul posted:jesus christ We come full circle every two or three pages at this rate.
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Deakul posted:jesus christ
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Tenzarin posted:So errors in their software could trigger anti cheat, that doesn't sound right. I bet its just checking for injections. I've got an Injection for ya if you keep up this poo poo up Pound_Coin posted:...how fairlight works is pretty open knowledge But how do you KNOW???
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Chim posted:Why can't I show this dude in my group the weapon I just picked up?
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thebushcommander posted:More info on how this work can be read at https://gameblocks.com/faqs - Seems there is fairfight and watchdog and they work together or whatever. I'll have to take your word on it 
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Dandywalken posted:I've got an Injection for ya if you keep up this poo poo up Careful, if you disagree with him too much he'll start whining about "the cult" being out to get him and stuff.
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Any one have a full breakdown on the solo single player? Or is this game really just Co-Op PVE/PVP or bust?
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BexGu posted:Any one have a full breakdown on the solo single player? Or is this game really just Co-Op PVE/PVP or bust? It should be totally Single Player doable in theory. You can make content scale to your level if its too easy or w/e (Hard Mode), or just vanilla with its basic level settings.
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I'd imagine you can do the whole campaign solo but to get true end-game gear you're going to need to go into pvp zones.
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MagnumOpus posted:I see this thread is still haunted by edgelords too thick to comprehend the results of basic google searches. RIP goons the posting quality on this site is now on par with gamefaqs. Has it ever been better, though? E: It's pretty cool to read about cheat detection though. In all my experiences with it, FF seems so much better than the bad old days of "Reinstall PBsvcA 5 times, restart computer, pray to your choice of deity, reinstall PB completely, restart, pray it again, stop playing game for a month". Naturally Selected fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Mar 2, 2016 |
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LCL-Dead posted:I'd imagine you can do the whole campaign solo but to get true end-game gear you're going to need to go into pvp zones. Which can be done solo too. So win-win.
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Ice Fist posted:Which can be done solo too. So win-win. I do kind of wonder how it will be in the DZ as a lone guy being basic easy prey for any 4 person group. Hopefully the servers keep a good balance between loners and grouped people.
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