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Fatkraken posted:Isn't one of the reasons Notch lost a bunch of friends because he bilked his minecraft developing colleagues (who did a good chunk of the actual work while Notch dicked around with online card games no one cared about) out of a shitload of the microsoft money? I think he was technically entitled to it per the letter of their contracts but he could easily have shared it more equally according to input on the game, but got greedy and decided to keep it all. Then when he had it all to himself and lived in a giant mansion, he finally realised money doesn't buy happiness? Yes. Him and the other two owners of Mojang kept their huge lump sums. Microsoft offered fairly generous sign on bonuses to the rest of the employees, but it was a pittance compared to what Notch made. Even though he handed off his game to another programmer to maintain years before the buy out, and another guy brought on much later. These two guys (Jeb and Dinnerbone) eventually became more synonymous with Minecraft than Notch, probably pulling in way more net sales during their time before Mojang was purchased. Also on his last day he just walked out of the office without saying a single word to anyone, not even goodbyes. So yeah he can whine about nobody from Mojang liking him anymore when he didn't even put in an effort to be a human being. Skaw has a new favorite as of 11:45 on Mar 2, 2016 |
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If they wanted money from the sale, perhaps they should have tried owning part of what was being sold?
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Mar 2, 2016 12:13
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FAROOQ posted:If they wanted money from the sale, perhaps they should have tried owning part of what was being sold? sure, and as I said per the letter of their contracts, they didn't own dick and it's not like they've tried to sue or anything. But they DID put in a huge amount of work and add an enormous amount of value to what was being sold, and it would have been a nice thing for a friend to acknowledge that financially. Notch wouldn't have even noticed the difference in his vast fortune of giving a payout that reflected how much they'd contributed. He did nothing illegal but it was still a bit of a dick move and it's not really a surprise the guys don't like him. EDIT: it's the sort of thing you see all the time when bands break up
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Mar 2, 2016 14:03
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The funny part will be if he ever tries to build another platform like Minecraft and can't find good help because everyone knows he'll keep everything for himself. That's that weird part. He's still a young guy. In 10 years he might want to create something completely new, but none of his old collaborators are going to want anything to do with him without really really good contracts. He didn't have to share his new wealth, but not doing so was pretty short sighted.
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Mar 2, 2016 14:21
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Cumslut1895 posted:Are all the threads I bookmark just bleeding together now? Am I about to wake up from a coma or something? Is there a better thread for it?
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Henchman of Santa posted:You are also allergic to small talk and know what it takes to be the necessary antidote for this unfortunate diffusive modern malady. I feel like this is an incantation that, when uttered aloud, results in your house slowly filling with fedoras of unknown origin
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Mar 2, 2016 15:50
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GOTTA STAY FAI posted:I feel like this is an incantation that, when uttered aloud, results in your house slowly filling with fedoras of unknown origin I should clarify that this is a heterosexual woman.
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Mar 2, 2016 15:51
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Henchman of Santa posted:I should clarify that this is a heterosexual woman. You should be her Manic Pixie Dream Boy, show her how to live a carefree life and whatnot. Frolicking, etc.
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Krispy Kareem posted:The funny part will be if he ever tries to build another platform like Minecraft and can't find good help because everyone knows he'll keep everything for himself. Holy poo poo you're this naive.
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Mar 2, 2016 16:18
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GOTTA STAY FAI posted:I feel like this is an incantation that, when uttered aloud, results in your house slowly filling with fedoras of unknown origin *tip* m'alady
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Krispy Kareem posted:That's that weird part. He's still a young guy. In 10 years he might want to create something completely new, but none of his old collaborators are going to want anything to do with him without really really good contracts. He didn't have to share his new wealth, but not doing so was pretty short sighted. This is not how this goes. In ten years, a new young crop of game designers have been popped out of the universities, eager to work in a highly competitive creative field and, naively willing to take risks to ally themselves with a big name to hopefully make their career. Perhaps with notions that the stories from this time are the sort of rumor, or drama that inevitably follows all famous men who take risks, and it will have faded into the past, long replaced with the story that Notch made the best possible decisions for himself, from a business standpoint. Despite his personal failures, Minecraft and, Notch's name carry a great deal of weight, even if somewhat tarnished. He will recover and, people will be willing to work with him again. All it takes is money, time, and naivete. He didn't even do anything that BAD, he just sold his company and then was a bit of a coward about facing his workers, which is like...a moderate amount of cowardice, in the grand scheme of things. So yeah, people will keep working with him. People continue to make business deal with goddamn Trump, after all. StrangersInTheNight has a new favorite as of 16:51 on Mar 2, 2016 |
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The Saddest Rhino posted:http://recode.net/2015/08/29/minecraft-billionaire-markus-persson-hates-being-a-billionaire/ The best part of this is that he's trying to blame all of his sorrows on the difficulty of being a billionaire, rather than his own inability to figure out how to live his life in a constructive manner. Congratulations, you bought a $70 million mansion that you live by yourself in. What else are you doing with your life?
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Mar 2, 2016 18:29
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The person I feel worst for in the Minecraft saga is the dude who made Infiniminer.
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1stGear posted:The person I feel worst for in the Minecraft saga is the dude who made Infiniminer. That dude made some pretty good and successful puzzle games, so don't worry about him. I think he said in some interview that he wouldn't have made something like minecraft and sold it commercially anyway.
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You know what, Notch, this seems like a terrible burden for you, and I've decided to take you place if your wish. I'll take that old weight off your shoulders, buckaroo. Purely altruistically, you understand.
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FAROOQ posted:Holy poo poo you're this naive. Oh poo poo, I forgot this was game developing. Scratch what I said. People will work 80 hour weeks for two years just to get laid off two weeks before the game is released and brag about how they work in 'gaming'. Still, Minecraft is not your typical game and it didn't follow your standard game development process. I'm inclined to say the staff and developers who stayed with the project through it's very long beta were closer to their bigwigs than most game studio employees. Notch had no obligation to reward them beyond their (probably) good paychecks and valuable experience/references. Nevertheless, if he ever wanted to try and repeat his success, it's unlikely the same people who helped him before are going to be as enthusiastic or work as hard to make him another billion dollars. It's a moot point since he'll probably never make another game and if he does it'll almost certainly suck for reasons beyond him not being overly generous to his staff.
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Krispy Kareem posted:Oh poo poo, I forgot this was game developing. Scratch what I said. People will work 80 hour weeks for two years just to get laid off two weeks before the game is released and brag about how they work in 'gaming'. Yep. I was always quite interested in game development, then I worked with a guy who'd done it. He said the pressure is soul-destroyingly intense, the deadlines near-impossible, especially if Christmas is looming. Small game studios spend all their money on fancy offices and then go bust as soon as the game is finished. If you have the luxury of being able to develop a game on your own, at your own pace it's great, but small games houses can be a nightmare to work for.
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notch got insanely lucky with minecraft, it's doubtful he'll ever create anything else worthwhile even if he decides to actively work again
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FlyinPingu posted:notch got insanely lucky with minecraft, it's doubtful he'll ever create anything else worthwhile even if he decides to actively work again
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Krispy Kareem posted:The funny part will be if he ever tries to build another platform like Minecraft and can't find good help because everyone knows he'll keep everything for himself. I kind of feel like Notch is like a one-hit wonder type of band that were rock stars briefly, made a poo poo load of money, and then tried desperately to cling to fame. Currently the only reason people talk about him is because he's a fat, whiny baby. He's "that guy that made Minecraft" but he doesn't control Minecraft now. It's funny that he's whining about not having friends because of his money. If he refuses to share his wealth (especially with the people that helped build it) he looks like a stingy, selfish rear end in a top hat hoarding his gold while screaming "no! MINE MINE MINE!!!" He does kind of have a point that he needs to worry about people hanging out with him just because he's rich but for gently caress's sake he's wealthy enough to literally pay people to keep him company.
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Minecraft was essentially lighting in a bottle, yes. It's pretty doubtful (but by no means impossible) that he's ever going to create the conditions for it again.
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Elysiume posted:Hasn't he worked on/made two other games with his basically infinite budget that both flopped? Some sort of card game and some sort of space thing? wikipedia posted:On 4 April, Mojang revealed the game's title to be 0x10c, set in the year 281,474,976,712,644 AD of a parallel universe.[29] In April 2013, Persson announced that the game was shelved, due to a creative block. In August of that year, he claimed that the game was indefinitely postponed, with the incentive that other Mojang staff members could continue its production should they desire  dude is not a good developer/designer/videogamesman, he just managed to throw together an incredibly simple game based on a solid idea that managed to gather a ton of support super early in development.
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So he's in the 99.9th percentile of game developers.
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Wasn't mine craft basically a ripoff of some old open source game that never quite got finished?
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Garrand posted:Wasn't mine craft basically a ripoff of some old open source game that never quite got finished? Yeah pretty much. It wasn't that Notch had some revolutionary design, it's just that his particular version got noticed first. That said I'd totally go hang out with the dude for some of that sweet, sweet candy room.
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I still don't really get why Minecraft is so popular, but I don't want to derail this sweet thread with my noob gaming attitude. Scathach posted:That said I'd totally go hang out with the dude for some of that sweet, sweet candy room. Yea, that candy wall did look pretty awesome. Kinda sad that it's meant for visitors that he never has, but then again, I wonder if he just says it's for visitors rather than just admit he wanted a candy wall all for himself. I don't know how long I'd be willing to hang out with him just for candy though. Is he known for also having lots of alcohol and/or recreational drugs? Seems like if he had those, people would visit him more. Rich people with booze and drugs are seldom without mooching friends.
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Karma Monkey posted:I still don't really get why Minecraft is so popular, but I don't want to derail this sweet thread with my noob gaming attitude. Everybody loves Legos.
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This youtube video has converted me to the true faith of the SJW. Born again by the power of Genderfluid Let's Play.
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I didn't watch it
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Neither did I that's just what I imagine to contain. If the link don't click you must acquit!
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This is the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE3j_RHkqJc It's incredibly annoying.
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Chomp8645 posted:Neither did I that's just what I imagine to contain. I guess we'll never know
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Tetracube posted:
I'm just going to guess he thought he would get a lot of friends if he said he were in this movement or something. Or he thinks that "dance, puppets, dance!" is seen as anything but annoying and stupid.
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Karma Monkey posted:Yea, that candy wall did look pretty awesome. Kinda sad that it's meant for visitors that he never has, but then again, I wonder if he just says it's for visitors rather than just admit he wanted a candy wall all for himself. I don't know how long I'd be willing to hang out with him just for candy though. Is he known for also having lots of alcohol and/or recreational drugs? Seems like if he had those, people would visit him more. Rich people with booze and drugs are seldom without mooching friends. A man sitting alone in a room full of rotting candy. Seriously, that stuff is perishable, it doesn't just, like, sit there forever bein' ok. Eventually, it will all get loving nasty and have to be thrown away, or melt into a giant foul sugarmess. There's a low-hanging fruit metaphor for America here that I'm just going to let openly fester for all to enjoy.
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Notch is terrible on a lot of levels, but to his (tiny amount of) credit I think his stupid expensive house already had the candy wall on move-in and wasn't just one of his requests. On the other hand, he filled it instead of turning it into some cool fish tanks or something
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For all of Notch's problems I wouldn't think a wall of snacks would be such a contentious issue. The dude likes eating snacks and he probably has someone to maintain the thing so who gives a poo poo?
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Lady Naga posted:For all of Notch's problems I wouldn't think a wall of snacks would be such a contentious issue. The dude likes eating snacks and he probably has someone to maintain the thing so who gives a poo poo? The sheer amount of snacks on that wall would require him to just stick his mouth under the "faucet" and pour M&Ms directly into his stomach to eat it all before it goes bad or gets attacked by insects. Ironically, it probably wouldn't have been a problem if he didn't live alone in the 13-bathroom mansion!
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subpar anachronism posted:Notch is terrible on a lot of levels, but to his (tiny amount of) credit I think his stupid expensive house already had the candy wall on move-in and wasn't just one of his requests. On the other hand, he filled it instead of turning it into some cool fish tanks or something You can find the video tour of it from when it was for sale, but I can't recall seeing a candy wall on it. It does sound like the kind of dumb thing someone involved in gaming would add himself.
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Lady Naga posted:For all of Notch's problems I wouldn't think a wall of snacks would be such a contentious issue. The dude likes eating snacks and he probably has someone to maintain the thing so who gives a poo poo? I wonder if the candyman is his friend. Or do they just like, glance at each other and the guy goes about taking out the old uneaten candy and silently fills it back up before leaving Notch alone again. Or maybe when he hears the knocks on the door Notch hides under the couch like my cat.
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