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Unless it's how you're writing in key aspects of character development training arcs should always happen off-panel imo
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Space-Bird posted:well except you have to be insanely strong to be free. except strength in the one piece world is about will power not muscle. It's a very very Japanese outlook but also really neat. That's why Luffy is destined to be the Pirate King. He's not driven by power or wanting to conquer anything, but he has the will and potential to reach the top anyways.
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:That's why Luffy is destined to be the Pirate King. He's not driven by power or wanting to conquer anything, but he has the will and potential to reach the top anyways. Agreed! I'm really looking forward to Blackbeard eventually stepping into the picture... When you live outside of society (pirates) right and wrong have no formal meaning, and you have to make your own right and wrong, which is pretty much what Luffy does. It's less cheesy Disney style "follow your heart" (middle class american values) and like, You Do You, as long as you stand by what you believe in. I think it's what makes Luffy an interesting shonen hero, and what has kept One Piece chugging for so long. I couldn't care less about intricate fight scenes and power ups. Anyway that's my dumb OP philosophy minute. 
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Mar 3, 2016 02:03
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JohnnyCocksville posted:It just occurred to me that for not being able to swim being the only weakness of a devil fruit, it's only been a plot device with Buggy being mad and Luffy vs Arlong. Don't forget with Smoker being completely helpless until Luffy asked (Sanji? Zoro?) to save him.
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Mar 3, 2016 02:33
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Adlai Stevenson posted:Unless it's how you're writing in key aspects of character development training arcs should always happen off-panel imo Hell, the development of gear 2nd basically was a key bit of character development and it still didn't happen on-screen. It's much more fun to watch people be badasses than to watch them train to be badasses.
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Mar 3, 2016 04:31
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Dr Subterfuge posted:Hell, the development of gear 2nd basically was a key bit of character development and it still didn't happen on-screen. It's much more fun to watch people be badasses than to watch them train to be badasses. With good story telling, you can definitely see a person work hard for a thing and then deliver on that thing... but that's rarely the case in shonen series. One Piece is by far the most atypical of all shonen series, yet somehow the most successful shonen series of all time. It's pretty strange.
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Mar 3, 2016 04:47
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Being atypical and also good helps build a cult fan base - see JoJo's. Starting along with Bleach and Naruto helped it get widespread appeal. OP definitely got the best of both worlds.
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Space-Bird posted:With good story telling, you can definitely see a person work hard for a thing and then deliver on that thing... but that's rarely the case in shonen series. One Piece is by far the most atypical of all shonen series, yet somehow the most successful shonen series of all time. It's pretty strange. I wouldn't call it "the most atypical." Hunter x Hunter, despite having training arcs, subverts conventional plot structures a lot more, for example. Even the lack of training arcs isn't that unusual; Fairy Tail (which is "One Piece, but done badly" a lot of the time) doesn't have them, aside from the very brief one where everyone got Second Origin. Jojo's Bizarre Adventure stops having training arcs after the introduction of Stands (and the training arc in Phantom Blood was quite brief).
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I think shonen training arcs are often bad because typically they're just about learning to be a better shonen protagonist. They tend not to have that much dimension. You could reductively describe Empire Strikes Back as a Jedi training arc, but it totally works because it's such an integral part of the actual story. My Hero Academia is theoretically all about training to be a badass, but it very quickly finds ways for Deku to be a badass and just learn from that.
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Silver2195 posted:I wouldn't call it "the most atypical." Hunter x Hunter, despite having training arcs, subverts conventional plot structures a lot more, for example. Even the lack of training arcs isn't that unusual; Fairy Tail (which is "One Piece, but done badly" a lot of the time) doesn't have them, aside from the very brief one where everyone got Second Origin. Jojo's Bizarre Adventure stops having training arcs after the introduction of Stands (and the training arc in Phantom Blood was quite brief). Yeah I'd definitely Araki's stuff is way more 'Bizarre' (heh heh just a lil joke). I'd say HxH from what I saw of it, is paint by numbers fighting stuff, a lot like Naruto or Bleach though... but I'm not a big fan. I guess I was speaking broadly.
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Mar 3, 2016 08:20
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HxH is godlike actually
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AnonSpore posted:HxH is godlike actually
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ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:
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Space-Bird posted:I'd say HxH from what I saw of it, is paint by numbers fighting stuff, a lot like Naruto or Bleach though Ho ho, look again, buddy. I assumed this was the case until I actually watched what's available on Netflix , and "godlike" isn't too far off the mark. Personal taste is personal taste, but comparing it to Naruto and Bleach made my feelings hurt.
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I'd be more willing to dive into HxH if I didn't have such a hard time getting into shonen I didn't read as a teenager. One Piece is the first one in over a decade that I both liked and kept liking. I'm willing to admit that the fault is with me but I've mostly stopped trying to read other punchman comics at this point.
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bschultz27 posted:Ho ho, look again, buddy. I assumed this was the case until I actually watched what's available on Netflix , and "godlike" isn't too far off the mark. Personal taste is personal taste, but comparing it to Naruto and Bleach made my feelings hurt. i mean in a way it's not wrong but HunterXHunter is just a better version of a typical anime show. HunterXHunter hits all the usual shounen tropes but it does fun things with them.
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Space-Bird posted:Yeah I'd definitely Araki's stuff is way more 'Bizarre' (heh heh just a lil joke). I'd say HxH from what I saw of it, is paint by numbers fighting stuff, a lot like Naruto or Bleach though... but I'm not a big fan. I guess I was speaking broadly. Naruto's chuunin exam basically wholesaled copied HXH's first arc. e: Well I won't say it was quite that much but its very heavily inspired by for sure. Kild fucked around with this message at 10:03 on Mar 3, 2016 |
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AnonSpore posted:HxH is godlike actually Was.
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More character designs from One Piece GOLD, this time the Rogues Gallery: Still looks generic and boring even if the movie is to be written by Oda himself.  I'd rather have this guy as the villain, honestly. Teriyaki Koinku fucked around with this message at 13:04 on Mar 3, 2016 |
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https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/48ow76/after_all_this_years_i_declare_myself_defeated/
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:More character designs from One Piece GOLD, this time the Rogues Gallery: Mr Tanaka looks cool, at least 
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:More character designs from One Piece GOLD, this time the Rogues Gallery: I don't think this one is written by Oda.
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TheLovablePlutonis posted:https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/48ow76/after_all_this_years_i_declare_myself_defeated/ There's got to be a better name for that than being a BJ Star. Korea's been in contact with the US long enough to know better. Also, that poor girl.
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Pluty horny for Korean BJ star
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TheLovablePlutonis posted:https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/48ow76/after_all_this_years_i_declare_myself_defeated/ Oda married a woman who played nami in the live action stage show
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Early English translation of Chapter 818 E: Their database is getting slammed apparently so they're getting a lot of 404 errors. Teriyaki Koinku fucked around with this message at 14:28 on Mar 3, 2016 |
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Mar 3, 2016 14:25
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AkumaHokoru posted:Oda married a woman who played nami in the live action stage show 
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Mar 3, 2016 14:27
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The second cookbook is on Raftel. It all makes sense now.
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:Early English translation of Chapter 818 Holy poo poo. Plot faucet.
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Krampus Grewcock posted:Holy poo poo. Yeah, that was my reaction too. Pretty much  in a nutshell.
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This is what happens when Oda doesn't feel a need to pad stuff for chapter count. Zou is the best bloody arc and no one gonna tell me otherwise.
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I think we've learned more in one chapter than we have the last 300. Jesus
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Pureauthor posted:This is what happens when Oda doesn't feel a need to pad stuff for chapter count.  Zou rules. Soooo much better than Dressrosa.
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That's some good plot... And I mean the good kind! I can't wait for a better translation, because 
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Holy gently caress, so much plot advancement, Zou best arc.
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Robin has gotten more expressive than Zoro recently!
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If I'm reading this right, then Raftel is literally Atlantis/Krematoa/Lost World and basically the most ancient of ancient islands, so it'll most likely have the Void Century poneglyph that the Ancient Civilization most wanted to hide from the World Goverent by burying it in the sea. This poo poo is straight out of Dinkey Kong Country 2/3. Better start collecting those Krem Koins, guys! 
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So if Zou has one, Big Mom has one, and Kaidou has one, where do you think the fourth one is? I'm sure Blackbeard will find it before or at the same time as the Straw Hats.
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AshB posted:So if Zou has one, Big Mom has one, and Kaidou has one, where do you think the fourth one is? I'm sure Blackbeard will find it before or at the same time as the Straw Hats. It's in your heart (Or maybe the joke is that they can use Triangulation and not even need the fourth one  )
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AshB posted:So if Zou has one, Big Mom has one, and Kaidou has one, where do you think the fourth one is? I'm sure Blackbeard will find it before or at the same time as the Straw Hats. I would bet money that Shanks is up to some fuckery and Gol D Roger planned this all out before he died. How Roger managed to manipulate the Yonkou into a Xanatos Gambit, I have no clue. Maybe Roger and Whitebeard made a secret deal on that cherry blossom island after Roger informed Whitebeard on how to get to Raftel to gently caress with the other Yonkou because they were bros?
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