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darthbob88 posted:Yeah, but they're going to be hateful fascists anyway. The fact that they're joking and ironic about it makes it so much harder to argue against them because it's the ultimate escape hatch. "Can't you take a joke? LOL". Any discussion with an alt-right person is going to end up having you look like the crazy person because as we all know caring about poo poo on the internet is the gravest sin one can commit.
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Cingulate posted:I honestly CBA to really talk about this even though it falls under my area of expertise much more strongly than e.g. IQ does, but:
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Nessus posted:I think the purpose of nootropics is, in practice, not so much to actually hack your brain (though I'm sure that that is where it began) as to signal that you are in fact interested in hacking your brain. Have there been many double-blind studies of their effects outside of the very narrow things you describe? There aren't many studies for even the most popular nootropics (e.g. the racetams). I guess there aren't enough grants for people who want to pursue this sort of research. But in terms of subjective individual reports that are corroborated by what little research there exists, some nootropics have promise for certain individuals with specific problems, e.g. tianeptine for people with depression.
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Though if you're interested in rationalists going crazy for nootropics, the prime example in my mind is Gwern. Pretty good example of "nerd feigning authority in things he knows nothing about"
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Woolie Wool posted:I feel tempted to dig up one of those Orion's Arm worldbuilding articles about how super-AIs can write propaganda that is so supernaturally persuasive that it can instantly convert anyone of a lower There's still an interesting story idea to be had there, assuming you keep it in the realm of things which are obviously impossible but fascinating if they could be; same as BLIT is a neat short story even though basilisks aren't scientifically possible.
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Fututor Magnus posted:Though if you're interested in rationalists going crazy for nootropics, the prime example in my mind is Gwern. Pretty good example of "nerd feigning authority in things he knows nothing about" I always figured it was their weird obsession with min-maxing their life. "Gotta pump this piracetam so my IQ goes from 240 to 260!"
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In case anyone cared what NRx-adjacent libertarian nerds think of Notch: https://twitter.com/alicemazzy/status/704924044248879104 https://twitter.com/alicemazzy/status/704928904163803136 https://twitter.com/alicemazzy/status/704931831733424128 https://twitter.com/alicemazzy/status/704935693601132544 https://twitter.com/alicemazzy/status/704937313491615744 ...and it goes on and on. Rich White man happens to be a huge bigot, claims to be oppressed by evil SJWs, obviously we must take him at his word and accept his notion of reality.
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point of return posted:whose idea was metamed According to Wikipedia: Michael Vassar (previously the president of MIRI, Yudkowsky's amazingly unproductive AI think tank), Jaan Tallinn (previously helped develop Skype and Kazaa), and Zvi Mowshowitz (previously a professional Magic: The Gathering player, yes really). Funded by Peter Thiel, of course. Zvi's take on why nobody wanted what they were selling is a think to behold. The problem, as he saw it, was that everyone else was too irrational and signaling-obsessed to understand that they ought to pay large sums of money for Metamed's advice. Zvi Mowshowitz posted:This last week, my wife and I went on vacation to a place that charges quite a bit of money for things that I see no value in, but which she enjoys greatly, and I believe that what she enjoys is that it symbolically says “Vacation” to her. I see the actual thing, and so I do not get it.
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DStecks posted:There's still an interesting story idea to be had there, assuming you keep it in the realm of things which are obviously impossible but fascinating if they could be; same as BLIT is a neat short story even though basilisks aren't scientifically possible. Yes, but OA people straightfacedly call this "hard sci-fi". It could be fun if it were like religious/mythological fiction with a robotic twist (and you got rid of the weird sexual elements like  neotens and genetically-engineered prostitutes and the three different varieties of furries), but they think this poo poo could actually happen.Anyway, brain-eating mind-controlling space propaganda: A giant ramble on space propaganda Memetic engineering (pretty tame compared to the others) Memetic warfare quote:A war of ideology and persuasion rather than weaponry or military might. Most transapients and archai uses memetics when dealing with lower toposophics and subsingulitaritans, few resort to anything as crude as actual hardware or software weaponry Advertisements that think Ad bombs that beam their content straight into your brain Industrial strength space propaganda used by greater Super Saiyans to brain-jack lesser ones A person turned into a weapon by Super Saiyans to "infect" other meatbags with hostile ideas Super Saiyans can kill you with art Brain filters installed in normal people by Super Saiyans to protect them from undesirable information Let's run this metaphor into the ground quote:Meme-Allergy - Text by Glenn Grant  Special crazy bonus: The aicratic post-scarcity mega-empire known as the Solar Dominion not only has currency (why?!), but relies on the gold standard. Woolie Wool has a new favorite as of 07:49 on Mar 3, 2016 |
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If the purpose of the government is to establish a hierarchy in which you and yours are on top, and those loving poors better know their place, it's a great idea.
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Speaking of Notch, apparently his whole pro-GG reveal was a failed attempt at a joke, which he decided to end by trolling gators who followed him: https://twitter.com/notch/status/704936215259324417 Real or not? Eh, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
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Tesseraction posted:Speaking of Notch, apparently his whole pro-GG reveal was a failed attempt at a joke, which he decided to end by trolling gators who followed him: It's probably the case that the "friend" he talked to told him that revealing himself as a GGer would get him purged or something. Markus affirming that he's a "SJW" all along is too contrived considering how specific his GG reveal was with the whole "afraid to come out before because of SJWs" nonsense.
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Fututor Magnus posted:It's probably the case that the "friend" he talked to told him that revealing himself as a GGer would get him purged or something. Markus affirming that he's a "SJW" all along is too contrived considering how specific his GG reveal was with the whole "afraid to come out before because of SJWs" nonsense. That's how I took it at first, but a bunch of people who usually dislike him said that it's his typical style of trying to be funny and failing miserably.
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I should have mentioned earlier that I follow him on twitter, and this is not the first time he's joked around like this. I'm pretty sure he just does it to get a rise out of people who want him to take a side in GG. Which, you know, really doesn't make it OK, since neutrality essentially constitutes siding with GG. But Notch is probably not the gator type, just a clueless privileged STEM dunce.
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GottaPayDaTrollToll posted:According to Wikipedia: Michael Vassar (previously the president of MIRI, Yudkowsky's amazingly unproductive AI think tank), Jaan Tallinn (previously helped develop Skype and Kazaa), and Zvi Mowshowitz (previously a professional Magic: The Gathering player, yes really). Funded by Peter Thiel, of course. Aww man Zvi...
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Cingulate posted:I honestly CBA to really talk about this even though it falls under my area of expertise much more strongly than e.g. IQ does, but: That soviet one was shown to increase that neuroplasticity protein a tiny but statistically significant amount, that seems like it'd have more long-term effects.
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Tesseraction posted:Speaking of Notch, apparently his whole pro-GG reveal was a failed attempt at a joke, which he decided to end by trolling gators who followed him: Nah he's been incredibly lovely in the past and then tried to claim it was a joke, the mask has slipped one too many times for me to believe he's just kidding anymore.
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DStecks posted:Which, you know, really doesn't make it OK, since neutrality essentially constitutes siding with GG. But Notch is probably not the gator type, just a clueless privileged STEM dunce. Parallel Paraplegic posted:Nah he's been incredibly lovely in the past and then tried to claim it was a joke, the mask has slipped one too many times for me to believe he's just kidding anymore. I'm getting mixed signals, here.
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Tesseraction posted:I'm getting mixed signals, here. Parallel Paraplegic could be referencing something specific I'm not aware of, but "been incredibly lovely" could easily be goon-ese for "jokingly implied he was a gator".
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All I ever saw of him other than specifying his intention for the Minecraft avatar to be considered genderless was something about MEIN KRAFT!!!  after he supposedly tweeted something racist, but it turned out to be fake?
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DStecks posted:Parallel Paraplegic could be referencing something specific I'm not aware of, but "been incredibly lovely" could easily be goon-ese for "jokingly implied he was a gator". Nah one time at a con he threw a big twitter tantrum because some LP'ers got more attention than he did, he said some racist poo poo at one point (that I'll have to look up the specifics on later because I'm at work), etc. At the very least he's a lovely person if not a full blown gator.
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:That soviet one was shown to increase that neuroplasticity protein
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Cingulate posted:All kinds of stuff influences all kinds of biomarkers. But remember, we have no reliable biomarker of intelligence. White skin. 
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Nessus posted:If the purpose of the government is to establish a hierarchy in which you and yours are on top, and those loving poors better know their place, it's a great idea. That's basically how it works, only "immortal god robots" for "you and yours" and "normal people" for "poors". Their whole "toposophic" nonsense is six levels of master race stacked on top of each other, hence me calling them Super Saiyans. And of course most of the main writers are libertarians.
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Woolie Wool posted:
We can create thousands of Dyson spheres to hold our god emperor, but communism only works on paper!
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If anyones bored and wants to read about OA, I recommend Ahrihams breakdown and critique on stardestroyer.net It's lengthy, but it is funny, and addresses everything worth knowing (I use that term lightly.) about OA. http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=155931 quote:Ah yes, how could I have forgotten that particular bit of idiocy? Homo Jihadi: human beings genetically engineered to self-destruct.  quote:2040's. We create true AI (which immediately decides to play dumb for decades.) First "superbrights" people genetically engineered to be a couple orders of magnitude more intelligent and capable than ordinary people. Provolves again with Jane the talking monkey. Bill Gates Award for the greatest innovations in computing technology. The rich become increasingly more capable and healthy than the poor. What an amazing future we have to look forward too!
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Dreddout posted:We can create thousands of Dyson spheres to hold our god emperor, but communism only works on paper!
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Dreddout posted:What an amazing future we have to look forward too! "We create true AI, but it chooses to play dumb for some goddamn reason so we shut it off and declare it to be a failure"
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That's always been an interesting stupid little theme I've noticed in techno-futurist fiction and singularity nerds and such, people seem to think AI will just be a magic box with a cool robot face on it that we switch on and suddenly it's conscious and starts talking and interacting with us like a person, and (like a person) at that point we won't be able to see inside its head anymore so it can plot and scheme. Like if we're so far along that we have a working model of consciousness that we can build a simulation of I'm gonna assume that that simulation will, you know, have debug output of some kind so we can see exactly what it's thinking, how its decisions are made, etc.
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What spectacular optimism! quote:68 - The first workable fusion power plant comes on-stream. Fusion power finally becomes an viable reality, although technical difficulties and problems with fuel processing prevent it from being economically competitive. Oh, maybe some heresy here though: quote:100's - a vast "genomic gap" develops between the haves and the have-nots, those having the benefit of germline modification, tend to be consistently more intelligent, more athletic, more healthy, and more physically attractive. Yet true genius and creativity remain elusive, as the combination of genetic and environmental factors that determine them are difficult to quantify.
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:That's always been an interesting stupid little theme I've noticed in techno-futurist fiction and singularity nerds and such, people seem to think AI will just be a magic box with a cool robot face on it that we switch on and suddenly it's conscious and starts talking and interacting with us like a person, and (like a person) at that point we won't be able to see inside its head anymore so it can plot and scheme. Like if we're so far along that we have a working model of consciousness that we can build a simulation of I'm gonna assume that that simulation will, you know, have debug output of some kind so we can see exactly what it's thinking, how its decisions are made, etc. There is a trend for AI to become less and less interpretable. Deep learning nets are very opaque.
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quote:48 (AD 2017) - First universal operational machine 'Harvey' constructed by a team lead by Peter Shor at Bell labs, with funding from IBM, Lycos, RedHat and Pepsi.  They already missed their prediction of fully functional VR bodysuits when we can't even make the Oculus Rift marketable. Homo jihadi are worse in every possible way than surgically implanting a bomb in someone or even just using a regular old suicide bomber. It's idiotic. Woolie Wool has a new favorite as of 04:06 on Mar 4, 2016 |
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When does an AI successfully run through Tomb of Horrors? Get Deep Blue to do that, and I'd be really impressed
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The Vosgian Beast posted:If you actually take memetics seriously, the logical position is skeptical quietism, because everything you believe or think, and everything, everyone around you believes or thinks, is ultimately the result of struggles between alien entities working parasitically on the human mind. Nobody goes there, because memetics exists to use lovely biology metaphors in order to pwn faithtards, and has no use aside from that. This is the premise for a bunch of great Grant Morrison comics. He also mentions Nootropics a bunch. I expect Phil Sandifer will say something really clever about the connection between him and the NrX that I hope doesn't exist.
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Burroughs also goes places like that.
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Woolie Wool posted:
Sounds like something an edgy 14 year old doodles in his notebook, right? Then you realize it is an incredible sheltered white guy, who thinks Arabs have a natural predisposition to explosions. quote:6) Intraclade Biases: Sapient bionts are predisposed by biology towards some memes, and resistant to others, and therefore tend to produce cultures within a certain range. Each terragen clade has a different set of "natural" biases, and in consequence a different natural range of cultures. The other clades are direct descendants, or were provolved or programmed by humans, so there are some similarities both deliberate and accidental, but also some significant differences. Xenosapients provide another and truly alien set of biases in their interaction with the overall meme pool. See guys, racism is a natural human reaction! Better stop trying to move past our prejudices and re-instate segregation! Did I mention I lock the car doors when I drive through a "bad" neighborhood?
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The Vosgian Beast posted:When does an AI successfully run through Tomb of Horrors? Get Deep Blue to do that, and I'd be really impressed If you want a boring and terse optimized run through the Tomb of Horrors then do I have a bestselling novel for you. It's Ready Player One. (It's bad)
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The Vosgian Beast posted:When does an AI successfully run through Tomb of Horrors? Get Deep Blue to do that, and I'd be really impressed The SI:6 dungeon master finds a way to make kobolds wipe out your entire level 20 party every time. Dreddout posted:See guys, racism is a natural human reaction! Better stop trying to move past our prejudices and re-instate segregation! Did I mention I lock the car doors when I drive through a "bad" neighborhood? To be fair I think they meant stuff like mermaids, AI, and methane-breathing aliens rather than black people. Woolie Wool has a new favorite as of 07:45 on Mar 4, 2016 |
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Woolie Wool posted:The SI:6 dungeon master finds a way to make kobolds wipe out your entire level 20 party every time. I will always assume the worst in people who came up with "Homo Jihadi". 
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