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rugby is a good sport and it would legitimately represent health and safety gone mad to stop kids from playing it
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Mar 3, 2016 08:52
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I think it'd be a sensible and proportionate response to a health risk we didn't know existed ten years ago. I wouldn't want my kid playing given the current state of the medical evidence any more than I'd be happy with compulsory boxing.
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Mar 3, 2016 08:58
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Rakosi posted:I was always under the impression that that one was a 'roid rage.
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Mar 3, 2016 08:59
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Zephro posted:I think it'd be a sensible and proportionate response to a health risk we didn't know existed ten years ago. I wouldn't want my kid playing given the current state of the medical evidence any more than I'd be happy with compulsory boxing. This thread has been pretty loving blase about throwing bricks at people's faces, so I think it's a tiny bit hypocritical to start hand wringing about mutually consensual and controlled forms of violence.
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Mar 3, 2016 09:05
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Sport tends to be compulsory at schools, yes. I don't necessarily object to the 'controlled violence' bit (within reason). I object to the 'risk of brain injuries that appear to be much worse and longer lasting than we realised' bit.
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Mar 3, 2016 09:12
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Compulsory rugby for fash kids?
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Mar 3, 2016 09:12
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tooterfish posted:Is Rugby compulsory? It is in certain schools according to people in this thread. Even if parents could have their children excused from these that still stigmatises the kids. Also, I don't think this thread supports giving children crippling head injuries. Adult assholes are fair game though. And lol at 'controlled violence' when you're making GBS threads your pants at the suggestion of controls.
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Mar 3, 2016 09:14
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I didn't ask about sports, I asked about Rugby. I live literally smack in the middle of Rugby League's heartlands. I know for a fact that Rugby isn't compulsory in schools here. And if it isn't here, I seriously have a hard time believing it is anywhere else. Kegluneq posted:And lol at 'controlled violence' when you're making GBS threads your pants at the suggestion of controls. 
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Mar 3, 2016 09:19
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Rakosi posted:I was always under the impression that that one was a 'roid rage. It was Kevin sullivan
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Mar 3, 2016 09:21
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How many people are going off their memories? Rugby was compulsory when I was in school but that's 15+ years ago at this point, I'm willing to accept that the curriculum might have changed in that time. e: vvv lol Party Boat fucked around with this message at 09:24 on Mar 3, 2016 |
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Mar 3, 2016 09:21
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tooterfish posted:I didn't ask about sports, I asked about Rugby. Rugby was compulsory when I was in school like 11 years ago.
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Mar 3, 2016 09:22
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Sports of various kinds, including rugby, were compulsory when I was at school. In Year 12 you got to choose which you did from a menu of three that changed every term, but you had to chose one. I mostly chose basketball and swimming.
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Mar 3, 2016 09:25
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Party Boat posted:How many people are going off their memories? Rugby was compulsory when I was in school but that's 15+ years ago at this point, I'm willing to accept that the curriculum might have changed in that time. Rakosi posted:Rugby was compulsory when I was in school like 11 years ago. Was definitely compulsory at my school 6 years ago, and pretty sure I didn't hear anything about it not being compulsory for the lower years when I was doing A-level, so ~4 years ago.
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Mar 3, 2016 09:25
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rugby (union) is good because even the fat kids can be useful
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Mar 3, 2016 09:26
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league is gay as gently caress though (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Mar 3, 2016 09:26
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Zephro posted:Kids like smoking too, and most of then will never get lung cancer, but I still don't think schools should make it compulsory Are you really equating smoking with rugby? A kid two years above me at school was loving around in the school pool, smacked his head and was underwater a few seconds too long before someone noticed. He survived, but with life changing brain damage. Drowning is one of the largest accidental killers of kids- should the school have changed things so we could only swim tethered with a scuba tank and armbands? The school stopped the pool being used for external use during school hours to allow more slots for swimming lessons for kids to take place and lectured the poo poo out of us about the dangers of screwing around near/in water, complete with scary videos and constant references to the kid that nearly died. It was pretty effective. DesperateDan fucked around with this message at 09:31 on Mar 3, 2016 |
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Mar 3, 2016 09:29
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DesperateDan posted:Are you really equating smoking with rugby? Man, they really shouldn't have introduced violent contact sports in that swimming pool.
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Mar 3, 2016 09:32
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JFairfax posted:rugby (union) is good because even the fat kids can be useful This is probably one of the biggest benefits for playing rugby in schools, Everyone has a role to play and its very inclusive. My experience with playing rugby wasn't getting repeatedly hit in the head, in fact I don't think I ever took a hit above the shoulders in all the years I played it at school. I honestly think this is a full on over reaction to something that's not actually a problem.
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Mar 3, 2016 09:33
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serious gaylord posted:This is probably one of the biggest benefits for playing rugby in schools, Everyone has a role to play and its very inclusive. My experience with playing rugby wasn't getting repeatedly hit in the head, in fact I don't think I ever took a hit above the shoulders in all the years I played it at school. I honestly think this is a full on over reaction to something that's not actually a problem. "I wasn't personally affected" isn't exactly a winning argument. I don't know what the actual numbers are, but the people who were concussed are more significant than those who weren't.
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Mar 3, 2016 09:37
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At my school the kids who were good at sport played rugby and the kids who weren't so good played touch rugby or football. I was always in the latter camp, being the resident Fat Nerd. Which suited me fine, except for the one time I managed to sort of flop over the line and score what would have been a try if it wasn't for the fact that we were playing touch rugby.
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Mar 3, 2016 09:41
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The way to get let off "compulsory" sports is to be so bad that nobody ever wants to pass you anything (because you'll deliberately give it to the other team or wing it over a fence) JFairfax posted:if you tackle properly in rugby your head shouldn't get hit, I agree that being pushed out on a pitch to play for the school team without any practice is bonkers. My secondary school was in the countryside (think hot fuzz) so it was a state one but had plenty of rugby pitches and you started from year 7. We got a taster session at primary school that consisted of a dude showing up with some tackle dummies and saying "run into this thing as hard as you can" with minimal explanation. I did it, staggered halfway across the field, passed out and threw up. I heartily recommend all ten year olds get concussion, it was great (not) Renaissance Robot fucked around with this message at 09:45 on Mar 3, 2016 |
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Mar 3, 2016 09:42
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Rughy is still compulory at my school from years 7-10, but private school so it doesn't have to obey the curriculum.
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Mar 3, 2016 09:44
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I went to some pretty rugby-mad schools in Wales 15-20 years ago, and I can't recall it ever being compulsory. Opting out as a boy would certainly have earned you a lot of rather cruel mocking and jokes about your sexuality/masculinity, however.
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Mar 3, 2016 09:46
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Accidents happen, but proper equipment and training help a great deal. My rugby experience at school was being given a jumper and told to run at the big lad, and if that's the standard then no wonder kids get hurt. Then again maybe I just went to a poo poo school. When I was in Year 9 a kid's parents sued because he broke his leg playing football and the teacher had a couple of the bigger lads carry him to the nurse's office.
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Mar 3, 2016 09:49
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NO gently caress YOU DAD posted:When I was in Year 9 a kid's parents sued because he broke his leg playing football and the teacher had a couple of the bigger lads carry him to the nurse's office.
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Mar 3, 2016 09:58
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I'm pretty shocked that so many say it's compulsory actually, especially so recently. I'm willing to be stood corrected on that one. While I don't think it should be banned, I definitely don't think it should be compulsory. JFairfax posted:league is gay as gently caress though Union is symbolic of braying toffs shoving their fingers up each other's arses. I'll let the the jury decide.
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Mar 3, 2016 10:06
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LemonDrizzle posted:What on earth was the suit based on? Nothing in that sequence of events seems unreasonable or objectionable unless the parents believed that the school had a duty to make their kid immune to accidents.
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Mar 3, 2016 10:11
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DesperateDan posted:Are you really equating smoking with rugby? I do think you can draw a fair analogy between concussion and smoking, though. We thought it was fairly harmless; when people get around to doing research it turns out to be much worse than we thought; the more research we do the worse it appears to be. I think a fair and sensible response to those findings is "do fewer things likely to expose you to the risk of concussion". School sport is something worth looking at because: 1) Kids are smaller and less robust than adults, and their brains are still developing 2) Unlike adults, kids don't have a choice
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Mar 3, 2016 10:12
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LemonDrizzle posted:What on earth was the suit based on? Nothing in that sequence of events seems unreasonable or objectionable unless the parents believed that the school had a duty to make their kid immune to accidents. Ever had a broken limb? You don't want to move at all until the paramedic sticks you with the good stuff. Having a bunch of lads heft you up and carry you around would be excruciating, and depending on the nature of the break, could make things significantly worse. The teacher/s would have had first aid training and duty of care, and would thus be expected not to do that. Kegluneq posted:Man, they really shouldn't have introduced violent contact sports in that swimming pool. A: You bastard and B: LOL
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Mar 3, 2016 10:14
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Really the only perfect solution would be to concede that children do not have a choice in their own existence, which is always inevitably harmful, and ban kids. At least until a coalition of MPs and BBC staff suggest that there's a middle ground and it's called touch kids.
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Mar 3, 2016 10:22
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Zephro posted:I'm saying "Kids enjoy [potentially harmful activity] is not a good reason for making [potentially harmful activity] compulsory for kids". It wasn't compulsory for me, I could have chosen hockey or football instead- and a reasonable response could also be "reduce the risks" rather than "avoid the risks entirely". Life sucks, it's full of risks- kids should be taught about assessing and dealing with the risks rather than avoiding them entirely.
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Mar 3, 2016 10:30
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DesperateDan posted:It wasn't compulsory for me, I could have chosen hockey or football instead- and a reasonable response could also be "reduce the risks" rather than "avoid the risks entirely". Life sucks, it's full of risks- kids should be taught about assessing and dealing with the risks rather than avoiding them entirely. Life is indeed full of risks, and one way you learn to deal with them is by making trade-offs. So when some activity turns out to be significantly riskier than you realised, the sensible thing to do is reconsider whether the risk/reward calculation is still worth it. Which is why people are talking about whether rugby should be compulsory in [some] schools or not.
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Mar 3, 2016 10:35
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Rugby was compulsory in my middle school. The teacher would make us practise tackles until he was satisfied we could successfully take down an opponent. On the plus side, that's where I get very good at running and dodging, but forcing us to play when it was 4 degrees outside gave plenty of us colds. In upper school you could choose between rugby/football or netball/tennis and I must tell you I was a very good goal shooter and my tennis serve improved immensely.
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Mar 3, 2016 10:36
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Kegluneq posted:"I wasn't personally affected" isn't exactly a winning argument. I don't know what the actual numbers are, but the people who were concussed are more significant than those who weren't. Yeah no kidding. When we did it at school we started with tackling practice, which ended up with one kid (who was another teacher's son and on the football team) going to hospital with a broken collarbone. While he was gone we played a game and I got a scar the length of my forearm when I scored a try and someone dived in studs first to stop me. My anecdotes clearly prove rugby is dangerous and there's no need for it On the plus side it would annoy a lot of Tories and save countless kids from being assaulted by Boris 'whoops I tripped' Johnson during PR events
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Mar 3, 2016 10:38
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I do also like that people in the thread who were so supportive of the junior doctors strike have now turned and gone "huwah? They no wanting me get brane damaj? FUKK THEM"
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Mar 3, 2016 10:43
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LemonDrizzle posted:I went to some pretty rugby-mad schools in Wales 15-20 years ago, and I can't recall it ever being compulsory. Opting out as a boy would certainly have earned you a lot of rather cruel mocking and jokes about your sexuality/masculinity, however. Don't want to wrestle sweaty muddy prebuscent boys on the cold ground? Must be gay!
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Mar 3, 2016 10:54
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Rugby was compulsory at my school during january/febuary, managed to get out of it in year 8 by having my appendix removed over christmas. And the nurses thought I'd be sad about not doing PE for 6 Weeks
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Mar 3, 2016 11:06
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Gonzo McFee posted:The long term effects of several repeat concussions is pretty horrific though. And there not as simple to detect as previously thought. It's a huge deal in Being punched in the head for a living can cause brain damage, who would have thought. On the other hand, we should not ban rugby from schools. It's mainly public schools that play it, and anything that potentially shortens the lives of Tories can't be bad.
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Mar 3, 2016 11:09
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Tesseraction posted:Rugby was compulsory in my middle school. The teacher would make us practise tackles until he was satisfied we could successfully take down an opponent.
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Mar 3, 2016 11:10
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As long as it's non-compulsory I don't mind, but giving us the choice of brain damage in cold weather or detention / suspension I'll take the mark on my record.
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