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Lprsti99
Apr 7, 2011

Everything's coming up explodey!

Pillbug
Found out that if a Dark Event pops while in flight to the countering op, it claims that it was countered, but it actually isn't. The event was the one that cuts mission timers in half. :suicide: Good thing I'm running the true concealment mod.

Very next mission was a council "Rescue the VIP" mission that had a 5 turn limit once concealment broke. IF it wasn't for a mimic beacon and my psiops self-insert nailing a 40% dominate on a gatekeeper, I'm pretty sure I would have lost that.

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Dr Christmas
Apr 24, 2010

Berninating the one percent,
Berninating the Wall St.
Berninating all the people
In their high rise penthouses!
🔥😱🔥🔫👴🏻
I had a "neutralize the enemy vip" mission where I had a ranger pop concealment before picking the vip up. It didn't seem to break it, but are there any problems or weirdness that could have been caused by doing that if I hadn't able to get to the extraction point quickly?

I posted a bit earlier about carrying an unconscious soldier that was targeted by blazing pinions. Someone said the unconscious soldier still counted as being in the tile she was in when she was knocked out, so the blazing pinions hit the guy carrying her even though he was several tiles away. It set him on fire, disabling his ability to set her down.

Internet Kraken
Apr 24, 2010

slightly amused

Dr Christmas posted:

It set him on fire, disabling his ability to set her down.

This sounds like a bug I'd read about in Dwarf Fortress.

Vib Rib
Jul 23, 2007

God damn this shit is
fuckin' re-dic-a-liss

🍖🍖😛🍖🍖

BenRGamer posted:

Like I said, the best way to make swords useful is to buff it's damage with hunter's instinct, and buff the enemy like with All Pods Active mod. Swear by that mod now, because it's awesome. Once you get spotted the fighting never really stops until everything's dead, so scouting ahead is much less useful and riskier, plus the pods activating gives you a general idea of where they're at--not exactly because they'll move in the fog of war after their first turn, but you still find out what's out there, how many pods, and if you're good at guessing by health/armor count, what's in the pods
Doesn't that fundamentally change the progression of some missions? Like, at that point the whole battle takes place in just one area basically, right? Rather than all across the map. I would think that makes things like rifle snipers much more powerful, since sticking a single sniper perch would serve them through the whole mission. I'd imagine it also makes retaliations much, much easier and escape/reach objective missions a lot harder.

EvilSlug posted:

Faceless don't have a "disguised form" and are not placed via pods. On retaliation missions and when that dark event is active, it runs code that spawns flagged civilian entities. Vanilla faceless work the same way andromedons work, pretty much. The first form "dies" and is replaced after death during the animation frames by a new entity with different ruleset. When adding faceless as a potential spawn like you did, you're getting exactly what you asked for. Hope that makes sense. For your use, you could probably get the civvy entity to spawn into your pods and transform as per normal, but they'd still work exactly the same as your pre-revealed faceless currently do so it wouldn't be worth the effort IMO. (Especially considering a 3-faceless pack would run the animation sequence 3 times in a row when you revealed it.)
Yeah, honestly I didn't want them disguised. I just want towering monsters to rush my troops. And you're right, that's what I got! So I'm pretty okay.

Autsj
Nov 9, 2011
So I posted yesterday that the ranges for medium Mag and Beam are a little more accurate, but not in a significant way, but I realized I was kinda wrong probably. Here are the juicy bits for reference:

MEDIUM_MAGNETIC_RANGE[0] = 0
MEDIUM_MAGNETIC_RANGE[1] = 21
MEDIUM_MAGNETIC_RANGE[2] = 20
MEDIUM_MAGNETIC_RANGE[3] = 19
MEDIUM_MAGNETIC_RANGE[4] = 17
MEDIUM_MAGNETIC_RANGE[5] = 16

MEDIUM_BEAM_RANGE[0] = 0
MEDIUM_BEAM_RANGE[1] = 22
MEDIUM_BEAM_RANGE[2] = 22
MEDIUM_BEAM_RANGE[3] = 21
MEDIUM_BEAM_RANGE[4] = 20
MEDIUM_BEAM_RANGE[5] = 19
MEDIUM_BEAM_RANGE[6] = 17
MEDIUM_BEAM_RANGE[7] = 15

Mag reaches the 20% bonus an extra square out from conventional, which might actually matter to you when you've already got ranked soldiers with decent aim. Even more so, Beam reaches its own max 2 squares out, and 20% a full 4. That's a lot of leeway in square selection if you just need a little bit of extra aim. Of course if you are running laser sights on your rifles for some reason, then closer is still better.

oswald ownenstein posted:

Thoughts on the better AI mod? Seems like it goes a little overboard...


I haven't tried the mod outside of looking at its files a bit, but I have messed around with a slightly modded defaultai.ini based on some of those changes. Specifically the lines:
CURR_TILE_LINGER_PENALTY=1.0 (changed from 0.75)
CALC_FULL_COVER_FACTOR=2.5f (changed from 1.1f)

These make a significant difference in how conservative, or just straight up "not dumb", the AI plays. It also really ups the value of skills like suppression, since the AI is no longer nearly guaranteed to just run it everytime.

Mystic Stylez
Dec 19, 2009

Augustus posted:

Holy smokes, the guy who did the MGSV balaclavas just dropped MGSV style BDUs and accessories

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=631968536&searchtext=

gonna do so much space barbie now

This is gone, does anybody have a backup or something?

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007



Bleargh, changing the sounds on this is still a full scale production. :smith:

Locke Dunnegan
Apr 25, 2005

Respectable Bespectacled Receptacle

Lprsti99 posted:

Found out that if a Dark Event pops while in flight to the countering op, it claims that it was countered, but it actually isn't. The event was the one that cuts mission timers in half. :suicide: Good thing I'm running the true concealment mod.

Very next mission was a council "Rescue the VIP" mission that had a 5 turn limit once concealment broke. IF it wasn't for a mimic beacon and my psiops self-insert nailing a 40% dominate on a gatekeeper, I'm pretty sure I would have lost that.

That Dark Event is FROM the True Concealment mod, as a way to make the timers relevant on concealment missions. Having four turns out of stealth to hack a thingy is exciting when you accidentally pop a couple pods early. :shepface:

Augustus
Oct 10, 2004

God damn it.

Mystic Stylez posted:

This is gone, does anybody have a backup or something?

It got re-uploaded. Sometimes ModBuddy's integration with the workshop fucks over trying to patch a bug and there was a texture error with some of the female armors. What this means is sometimes they can't patch the original workshop content and have to make a whole new steam workshop ID and everything.

Here you go.
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=632252203&searchtext=mgsv

ZenVulgarity
Oct 9, 2012

I made the hat by transforming my zen

Is there something better than the in game mod organizer

Because holy poo poo the in game one is bad

peak debt
Mar 11, 2001
b& :(
Nap Ghost

Odobenidae posted:

Having a sword ranger early on is wonderful. Every sectoid is dead if it's within running distance.

But then again, alive sectoids aren't really any more dangerous than dead ones.

ZenVulgarity
Oct 9, 2012

I made the hat by transforming my zen

peak debt posted:

But then again, alive sectoids aren't really any more dangerous than dead ones.

Play with an AI MOD so they actually shoot you

Lowen SoDium
Jun 5, 2003

Highen Fiber
Clapping Larry
Funny glitch for ultrawide monitors. When you are on the soldier load up screen, sometimes you can see one of your soldiers in two places at once.

Click for huge

Senethro
May 18, 2005

I unironically think I'm Garret, Master Thief.

Lowen SoDium posted:

Funny glitch for ultrawide monitors. When you are on the soldier load up screen, sometimes you can see one of your soldiers in two places at once.

Click for huge

You're getting baited by his mimic beacon.

toasterwarrior
Nov 11, 2011

Lowen SoDium posted:

Funny glitch for ultrawide monitors. When you are on the soldier load up screen, sometimes you can see one of your soldiers in two places at once.

Click for huge

he really IS a magician

dogstile
May 1, 2012

fucking clocks
how do they work?

oswald ownenstein posted:

Swords are great early game I'm talking about when mutons (its not worth even trying to sword them)

I remember when people in this thread went nuts over people saying that because "haha, just because their's a chance it will fail doesn't mean nobody will do it".

gently caress y'all, we were right, nobody melees mutons unless you don't know about it.

Dogen posted:

My solution to the sword accuracy issue has been to use a perception PCS. My top ranger this game has salvo, so I put her in a war suit with shredstorm. Shred, then RnG or reaper survivors as appropriate.

Yeah the Perception PCS on a ranger is really good. People laugh and go "oh, why don't you put it on a sniper where it'll actually be useful :smug:" but putting an 70% to an 80% is way less valuable than putting a 90% to 100%.

RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

Games Idiot Court Jester

SynthOrange posted:



Bleargh, changing the sounds on this is still a full scale production. :smith:

"You helped me get into this mess! You told me it would be exciting, didn't you? Well I'm loving bored!"

many johnnys
May 17, 2015

Odobenidae posted:

Having a sword ranger early on is wonderful. Every sectoid is dead if it's within running distance.

This is also true once you get run-and-gun, with shotguns.

dogstile posted:

I remember when people in this thread went nuts over people saying that because "haha, just because their's a chance it will fail doesn't mean nobody will do it".
I learned this the old fashioned way :(

Dee Ehm
Apr 10, 2014
Had a thought on a different way to change sword rangers that would be really interesting. Part of the problem is that they aren't as good as shotguns, and compete to do the same job as shotguns.

But what if using a blue move to sword someone didn't end your turn, just used an action? Then it could be a way to increase the amount of damage output the ranger has, and if it does miss on a blue move, there's less risk because you can still shotgun the guy, but not maybe use the shotgun on a second enemy.

Might be a bit too strong, but feels better than the current state.

upgunned shitpost
Jan 21, 2015

Just bump the Swordmaster buff to +4 and have Hunter's Instinct affect swords too.

Stab mutons in the loving face, err'day.

oohhboy
Jun 8, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
On Veteran swords are good, but even then guns are better. On Commander, they are near unusable from the get go. Way too much risk for what you are getting out of it. Bladestorm is a real disappointment compared to it's EU counterpart where you got to shotgun for near free anything that came within 3 squares.

oohhboy fucked around with this message at 16:11 on Mar 3, 2016

Phobophilia
Apr 26, 2008

by Hand Knit
Old close-combat specialist was the coolest loving thing ever and I miss it so much.

RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

Games Idiot Court Jester

oohhboy posted:

On Veteran swords are good, but even then guns are better. On Commander, they are near unusable from the get go.

Double-move slashing has saved my campaign on a regular basis on Commander.

Bladestorm isn't as great as I thought but still pretty good; I'm trying implacable out right now. Could you run and gun, shotgun blast someone, then use the free move to get a slash off?

Exodee
Mar 30, 2011

Damp and depressing.
It must be a goon in its
natural habitat!

dogstile posted:

Yeah the Perception PCS on a ranger is really good. People laugh and go "oh, why don't you put it on a sniper where it'll actually be useful :smug:" but putting an 70% to an 80% is way less valuable than putting a 90% to 100%.
The problem with this is that the shotgun doesn't need the extra accuracy at all, so you've just used a valuable PCS to improve nothing but a ranger's situational sidearm. Meanwhile you could've used that same PCS to make a reliable gunner instead.

FraudulentEconomics
Oct 14, 2007

Pst...

RBA Starblade posted:

Double-move slashing has saved my campaign on a regular basis on Commander.

Bladestorm isn't as great as I thought but still pretty good; I'm trying implacable out right now. Could you run and gun, shotgun blast someone, then use the free move to get a slash off?

Implacable is only a move, no action.

PantsBandit
Oct 26, 2007

it is both a monkey and a boombox

Phobophilia posted:

Old close-combat specialist was the coolest loving thing ever and I miss it so much.

The final ability of this mod http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=618090572 is like close combat specialist on steroids. It puts a ring around the unit that will grant a reaction shot on any enemy that enters the zone.

Plus the mod is just really good in general. I was running two high ranked troopers when I finished my campaign.

RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

Games Idiot Court Jester

FraudulentEconomics posted:

Implacable is only a move, no action.

Oh, well poo poo. I thought maybe it just gave an action point back.

quote:

The problem with this is that the shotgun doesn't need the extra accuracy at all, so you've just used a valuable PCS to improve nothing but a ranger's situational sidearm. Meanwhile you could've used that same PCS to make a reliable gunner instead.

I got three this campaign (!!!!!) so I gave one to my sniper, my killzone gunner (which is bugged and only occasionally even triggers), and my blademaster.

peak debt
Mar 11, 2001
b& :(
Nap Ghost

FraudulentEconomics posted:

Implacable is only a move, no action.

It has a dumb name anyway, it should be called "Elusive" or something.

DMW45
Oct 29, 2011

Come into my parlor~
Said the spider to the fly~

Vib Rib posted:

Doesn't that fundamentally change the progression of some missions? Like, at that point the whole battle takes place in just one area basically, right? Rather than all across the map. I would think that makes things like rifle snipers much more powerful, since sticking a single sniper perch would serve them through the whole mission. I'd imagine it also makes retaliations much, much easier and escape/reach objective missions a lot harder.

Not necessarily because you typically can't afford to stop moving. I haven't changed the timers, so every mission becomes basically a rolling firefight as I'm forced to move up to the objective killing everything in my way.

Retaliation missions are... not easier. Active pods can shoot more civs than non-active ones. And because you don't start in concealment, all pods activate on the first turn.

oohhboy
Jun 8, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
On Commander there is a short window where swords work ok and that's when you get the ranger's +2 damage perk. For a short while you outpace the health of most enemies who are mostly ADVENT mooks, but that doesn't last long. Implacable is great whether sword or gun user as it lets you flank, kill, then GTFO. I had some fun with Reaper on Veteran, but the circumstances that you need to setup for it are too narrow especially when compared to something like Serial with a lot of added risk. Rapid Fire is great stuff with no cool down. Four shots into one target? Thanks inspire!

Swords really need a way to reduce the risk from using them for them to be useful where even if you killed your target, you are still exposed, plus running up exposes you to additional pods too often compared to removing cover or flanking. We did invent guns for a very good reason.

Sloober
Apr 1, 2011
Blademaster should scale based on weapon tier at least. I think there was a skill that scaled on weapon tier in EU/EW so there's definitely precedence for it. Otherwise it would take some kind of 1-turn defensive buff or bonus move from using a sword in general. Otherwise i'd say buffing base sword damage and removing blademaster and replacing it with something else to help with using swords.

It would just be good to make it able to compete with shotguns in some way.

winterwerefox
Apr 23, 2010

The next movie better not make me shave anything :(

Shredder scales with weapon tier. Ballistic 1 shred, Mag 2 shred, Beam 3 shred. Its in this game as well

RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

Games Idiot Court Jester

Seriously guys tossing a grenade then double move slashing all day is great, try it.

Eat Bum Zen
Jul 19, 2013

*mumbles*
Rated T for Teen
I'm new to modding/the communities. What mods are currently worthwhile if I've beaten the game on the bullshit average difficulty and want more stuff and challenge to play through again?

And if I could make the game run above 15fps, that would be cool.

Sloober
Apr 1, 2011

winterwerefox posted:

Shredder scales with weapon tier. Ballistic 1 shred, Mag 2 shred, Beam 3 shred. Its in this game as well

Makes it even more questionable why it doesn't already.(I hadn't noticed shredder doing that but I admit to not looking closely outside of "IS IT DEAD")

Wizard Styles
Aug 6, 2014

level 15 disillusionist

Sloober posted:

Otherwise i'd say buffing base sword damage and removing blademaster and replacing it with something else to help with using swords.
This is what I feel would be best. Blademaster really shouldn't even exist; shotguns don't need an ability investment just to keep up damage-wise, and neither should swords.

RBA Starblade posted:

Seriously guys tossing a grenade then double move slashing all day is great, try it.
If you tossed a grenade the target is no longer in cover and you can just shoot, though.

malhavok
Jan 18, 2013

Basic Chunnel posted:

I was gonna come in and ask someone to justify a sword-spec ranger for the endgame but it really does feel like a design oversight. You can either spec a ranger for highly effective shotgun skirmishing in the endgame (whatever the double-firing ability is called) or for wiping up groups of considerably softened enemies (sword rampage). But the thing is, if you've beaten up late-game ADVENT to the point where a ranger can go Greater Cleave on their asses, you're more than likely just as able to mop them up with conventional arms.

Really, the fact that guns can get really powerful mods and swords don't makes it a no-brainer. I like the idea of a sword ranger but dishing out 7-8 damage before armor and, in almost all cases, leave yourself flanked is just... bad. It's a badly designed class branch. It needs modding badly.

As long as you stop thinking of the sword as your main weapon and pick the obviously better rapid fire over reaper sword rangers are another tool in your pocket with a clearly defined role. It's not like your shotgun gets worse if you go swords, you only trade two shadowstrike shots for run n gun every three turns. Not better or worse, just useful in different situations. I assume conceal rangers all pick untouchable over deep cover as it is once again the obviously better choice. Sword is not competing with shotgun, sword is competing with not doing anything because the loving alien is too far away.

malhavok fucked around with this message at 17:14 on Mar 3, 2016

RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

Games Idiot Court Jester

Wizard Styles posted:

If you tossed a grenade the target is no longer in cover and you can just shoot, though.

A lot of full cover can't be blown up like that.

binge crotching
Apr 2, 2010

Bump swords up to shotgun damage and add a point of pierce per tier.

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oswald ownenstein
Jan 30, 2011

KING FAGGOT OF THE SHITPOST KINGDOM

dogstile posted:

I remember when people in this thread went nuts over people saying that because "haha, just because their's a chance it will fail doesn't mean nobody will do it".

gently caress y'all, we were right, nobody melees mutons unless you don't know about it.


Yeah the Perception PCS on a ranger is really good. People laugh and go "oh, why don't you put it on a sniper where it'll actually be useful :smug:" but putting an 70% to an 80% is way less valuable than putting a 90% to 100%.

Yeah lol I mean I"ve never sworded a muton and had it not counter attack me, and the counter attack always kills my dude even with predator armor. I think it's a cool mechanic and it doesn't bother me (except with blademaster lol) but it does make swords even less useful past the early game

note - I don't think ninja spec should be a thing. But maybe rifle / sword should be a little more viable. of a combo

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