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feedmegin posted:And? This is not Utopia. The NHS in the UK works just fine and it did not cause large scale unemployment when it was introduced. Just, you know, fewer bankrupt people. The NHS didn't cause large scale unemployment in the UK because immediately post-WWII UK did not have any sort of long term build up of a "health care industry" the way America has. If for some reason the UK had had the US system up to 5 years ago and then they implemented the NHS, there'd be a lot of unemployed people in the short term aftermarth, for years on end. Consider also that Canada avoided a large scale unemployment from switching to single payer health care only because they took over 40 goddamn years to do it, starting from the first province scale system which didn't even cover everyone.
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Rhesus Pieces posted:The entire GOP and conservative movement is having a slow motion nervous breakdown and I can't turn away. Truly, a thing of beauty
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Rhesus Pieces posted:And apparently Bill O'Reilly, who just lost custody of his kids, is drunk as a skunk right now on live television. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/mar/2/bill-oreilly-loses-custody-of-his-children/ quote:Fox News host Bill O'Reilly has lost custody of his two teenage children following an alleged domestic violence incident, according to court documents. Jesus.
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bhsman posted:Holly Anderson retweeted it so I assumed it was just a real good tweet, but sure. https://twitter.com/LibyaLiberty/status/703705770081304576 https://twitter.com/LibyaLiberty/status/703706157991464960 https://twitter.com/LibyaLiberty/status/703706930104156160 https://twitter.com/LibyaLiberty/status/703707583299919872 https://twitter.com/LibyaLiberty/status/703709070189056000
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Haha, those autistic gently caress fact checkers at CNN just rated both Trump and Rubio's claims about Trump U as false because "the school doesn't exist anymore"
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eviltastic posted:Also, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4BNtP7tN8I Late to the party, but my god ... They're all machines. Fried Chicken posted:https://twitter.com/LibyaLiberty/status/703705770081304576 Any updates from the debate? At work counting bags of sand being pumped into a hole.
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Ravenfood posted:The problem with this argument is that the people who were the most confused were also the ones who'd made more of an effort to understand the ME anyhow. The ones who most need to understand the ME are the ones who utterly support Trump and would reject any notion that there are parallels between their patriotism and "those animals over there". Oh there are already plenty of guys trying to explain to her that the real reason for all of that is just because Muslims are a bunch of animals.
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Rodenthar Drothman posted:Any updates from the debate? At work counting bags of sand being pumped into a hole. Fox News turned on Trump and whipped out some premade infographics to "fact-check" the numbers in his health care plan. Now there's a lot of Trump supporters turning on Fox News over it (and also for Megyn Kelly). I have no idea where this will end.
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FourLeaf posted:http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/mar/2/bill-oreilly-loses-custody-of-his-children/ I am totally primed to think bad things about O'Reilly, but when all the stories on something are coming from rags like the Washington Times or WND, I start to doubt. The Gawker piece and subsequent re-reporting seems to be waaay overstating things. See http://www.nycourts.gov/reporter/3dseries/2016/2016_01275.htm. Also, it is extremely sketchy that everyone just blows past breaching the anonymity of proceedings when that anonymity is for the benefit of the minors in question.
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Almost all of the post-debate coverage I've seen has been repeating the "Kasich was the only adult on stage" narrative. Someone please reassure me that this will not be the start of Kasich catching up in delegates and having a chance at the nominee.
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Zerilan posted:Almost all of the post-debate coverage I've seen has been repeating the "Kasich was the only adult on stage" narrative. Someone please reassure me that this will not be the start of Kasich catching up in delegates and having a chance at the nominee. Kasich is not going to win enough delegates to become the nominee on the first ballot. He's way too behind and would need to start racking up so many wins. He's even more hosed than Rubio who is utterly hosed.
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Zerilan posted:Almost all of the post-debate coverage I've seen has been repeating the "Kasich was the only adult on stage" narrative. Someone please reassure me that this will not be the start of Kasich catching up in delegates and having a chance at the nominee. If somehow a meteor took out Trump and either Cruz or Rubio, Kasich would still only be in second place after that.
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The only value Kasich has in the race is to take Ohio and it's winner-take-all allocation away from Trump. Remains to be seen if he can do that, but it's very possible. If he doesn't do that it's basically over and the only avenue left for the establishment (outside of a Trumplosion) is to change the rules for nomination at the convention. I don't even know how to hyperbolize the result of that. The real winner of tonight is... John Boehner. That guy must be feeling great these days. Boon fucked around with this message at 07:30 on Mar 4, 2016 |
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Zerilan posted:Almost all of the post-debate coverage I've seen has been repeating the "Kasich was the only adult on stage" narrative. Someone please reassure me that this will not be the start of Kasich catching up in delegates and having a chance at the nominee. Kasich is indeed the only GOP candidate who has any chance in the general, and might even be favoured over Hillary. Luckily, Republicans are very dumb people, and he's already way too far behind to get the nomination.
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Mar 4, 2016 07:28
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eviltastic posted:Also, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4BNtP7tN8I Please god let this go viral and be Ted Cruz's "Dean Scream" moment. I couldn't think of a more fitting end to this waste of human flesh.
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Tobermory posted:Fox News turned on Trump and whipped out some premade infographics to "fact-check" the numbers in his health care plan. Now there's a lot of Trump supporters turning on Fox News over it (and also for Megyn Kelly). I have no idea where this will end. Best case scenario, as I see it, is that Fox News so badly alienates Trump supporters this cycle that they swear of the network forever and disperse among the various insane sites on the internet that support their views. Fox News becomes a withered husk of what they once were, a sad crippled thing that is never again considered influential, and eventually closes up after Murdoch and Ailes die. And while I'm at it, I would like a pony.
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Boon posted:
He passed off his curse to Paul Ryan and can now spend the rest of his days drinking merlot by the gallon in blessed, blessed peace.
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Mar 4, 2016 07:42
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:Please do not blame forums poster Talmonis for this; he works for one of those upstanding nonprofit health insurance companies, like Kaiser Permanente or Blue Cross/Blue Shield Or Health Partners here in MN. I hear their CEO took home several 10s of millions the other year because where else is the money going to go, right?!
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Mar 4, 2016 07:47
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Mar 4, 2016 07:51
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BROCK LESBIAN posted:I'm going to need constant updates about Booghazi.
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Phoenixan posted:I'm actually willing to accept "boogergate" in this case. Mmmmm, no one's lied about it yet. I think. Yet.
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Mar 4, 2016 08:03
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Kasich is the only candidate who could probably beat Hillary straight up but the problem for the GOP is that because its so late in the primary process the only way he could get the nomination is through a brokered convention, which would tear the party apart and likely cause Trump to go independent meaning that the Democrats probably win 45 states. So basically the situation is amazing.
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Cocks Cable posted:Please god let this go viral and be Ted Cruz's "Dean Scream" moment. I couldn't think of a more fitting end to this waste of human flesh. It's hardly a waste, the human skin wrapping is very important to make sure all the spiders and hornets don't spill out.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Kasich is the only candidate who could probably beat Hillary straight up but the problem for the GOP is that because its so late in the primary process the only way he could get the nomination is through a brokered convention, which would tear the party apart and likely cause Trump to go independent meaning that the Democrats probably win 45 states. So basically the situation is amazing. Kasich would end up losing many women voters when his actual extremism on women's rights is given any cursory scrutiny. His "gosh golly gee shucks, guys, I just want to gently caress everyone in the rear end in a top hat with a strapon railway spike why is everyone else so unreasonable" schtick is tissue-thin.
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eviltastic posted:It's hardly a waste, the human skin wrapping is very important to make sure all the spiders and hornets don't spill out. Hey! The Oogie-Boogie Man is far less grotesquely horrifying than Ted Cruz.
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Neeksy posted:Kasich would end up losing many women voters when his actual extremism on women's rights is given any cursory scrutiny. His "gosh golly gee shucks, guys, I just want to gently caress everyone in the rear end in a top hat with a strapon railway spike why is everyone else so unreasonable" schtick is tissue-thin. Actually, Kasich is solidly anti-butt stuff: quote:While guest-hosting The O’Reilly Factor following the 2003 Lawrence v. Texas case that declared a Texas anti-sodomy law to be unconstitutional, Kasich said, “I don’t think it’s just a privacy issue. I think it’s going to have a profound impact on our culture… And frankly, I think a lot of people have missed the boat on this. This is going to open up a big debate with huge, cultural ramifications… I personally didn’t like the ruling.” As in, he preferred when it was illegal.
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Epic High Five posted:The pertinent thing here is that insulin and epinephrine are inexpensive and plentiful, yet thanks to modern American healthcare it is literally impossible to get a script for them filled for less than $250. Generics simply are not on the market, and while the drugs themselves have had their patents expire (except for novel new insulin formulations that just replicate what older types do), their delivery systems can continue to be changed and re-patented so there is never a non-branded option available. More on insulin here: http://www.science20.com/news_articles/where_is_the_generic_version_of_insulin-154121 Pages ago but I feel like this is a kind of means of production that could be seized. How hard is it to make from scratch or from what's public domain?
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Epic High Five posted:Bet you fuckin' foreigners thought we were crazy before huh?
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I think that the GOP's seething hatred of Hillary far outweighs the establishment hatred of Trump. They will rally behind Trump in the end only because they'll want to see Hillary lose that badly.
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vorebane posted:Pages ago but I feel like this is a kind of means of production that could be seized. How hard is it to make from scratch or from what's public domain? Good luck, if you push for change you have a lot of the most powerful lobbies on your rear end AND every conservative+liberal who fears change backing them up. I can't speak for insulin but at this point it's probably not that difficult to produce. Epinephrine is about a dollar a dose wholesale. Patent law is super convoluted and lacking in precedent in these cases. Standard practice is for companies to file for any old pie in the sky reason to get a de facto extension while it's appealed. Another fun one is buying out generic manufacturers and selling branded under the generic name, especially for drugs that are very rarely or poorly covered. Know somebody who suffers from narcolepsy? Are they bitching about the cost of medicine a lot? The most common drug to treat this went off patent in 2002 (modafinil), but around the same time Cephalon (producer of the branded) filed for a patent extension. Sensing that they'd be dumping money into a product that they wouldn't be able to sell for years and years, generic manufacturers backed off. Sensing that the appeal would be denied, Cephalon struck a deal with a generic manufacturer to sell the branded pills under their own name. A few companies do this. If you get a generic that looks exactly like the brand you used to take, that's probably because it is. Net savings doing things this way? About $10 off of a $250/month drug if you have bad or no insurance. Around this time, "shift work disorder" became a buzzword and modafinil was the advertised treatment for it. WELL GUESS WHAT THAT MEANS! SWD is absolutely not a covered condition, so now if you're prescribed modafinil you have to go through a lengthy prior authorization process to get it covered, and you have to do this every quarter to yearly. By the time I left pharmacy, it was super common for people with insurance to be paying $80-120 a month for narcolepsy drugs. The kicker? It's illegal for many of them to drive without them, and in Indianapolis if you can't drive you can't do poo poo. All this for a drug that can be ordered from India or Canada (albeit illegally, as it is a scheduled drug) for about $0.50 for a day's supply after shipping. There's a hundred other stories like this, but this is just my POV as a tech and the things I saw in a suburban retail pharmacy. It's a pretty lovely system. It was probably hourly that I saw someone on a fixed income spend $200+ on insulin for the month Sorry this ran a little long and this isn't even all the dumb details of this particular drug. The state of drug pricing and pharmacy costs in the US is a deep, deep well of despair
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Star Man posted:I think that the GOP's seething hatred of Hillary far outweighs the establishment hatred of Trump. They will rally behind Trump in the end only because they'll want to see Hillary lose that badly. Good thing then that they are giving all the ammunition the Clinton campaign could possibly want. Romney calling Trump a dangerous con man and Romney wearing a MAGA hat at the convention in one 30 second ad.
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vorebane posted:Pages ago but I feel like this is a kind of means of production that could be seized. How hard is it to make from scratch or from what's public domain? I'm one of those lovely D&D people that works for the industry in question but pharmaceutical manufacturing goes from easy rear end organic chemistry to complex as gently caress immunotherapy really quick. Aspirin has 40 atoms and can be made by a high school student, but most modern immunotherapies and biologics have about 40-60 thousand and require extremely complex manufacturing facilities. You'd have an easier time nationalizing oil and gas.
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LOL Ted Cruz. Yeah, people working 3-4 jobs are only working 29-30 hours a week because their hours have been cut due to the Sinister Dark Lord of Socialism Obama.
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Bastard Tetris posted:I'm one of those lovely D&D people that works for the industry in question but pharmaceutical manufacturing goes from easy rear end organic chemistry to complex as gently caress immunotherapy really quick. Aspirin has 40 atoms and can be made by a high school student, but most modern immunotherapies and biologics have about 40-60 thousand and require extremely complex manufacturing facilities. You'd have an easier time nationalizing oil and gas. What about just epipen and insulin? Looking at wikipedia insulin looks pretty twisty. I may be a dumb canuck but I feel this could be kickstarterable. edit: That's depressing I don't know how good you'd need to be at everything to make it work then. vorebane fucked around with this message at 10:46 on Mar 4, 2016 |
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KiteAuraan posted:LOL Ted Cruz. Yeah, people working 3-4 jobs are only working 29-30 hours a week because their hours have been cut due to the Sinister Dark Lord of Socialism Obama. It was late Friday afternoon when the door chimes rang at Sudz Discount Dry Cleaning. The girl manning the counter looked up from her iPhone, only to be surprised by the stern face of the 44th President of the United States. She jumped to attention. "C... Can I help you?" Obama shook his head, his eyebrows deeply furrowed. "I need to see your manager. Now." "Yes, of course, sir!" The girl scurried to the back of the store and soon returned with an elderly man. The man adjusted his bifocals and studied the new customer. "What's all this then? President Obama? You wanted to see me?" Obama looked the man up and down and nodded. "Yes. Please. I need to speak with you in your office." "Well then, follow me." The old man beckoned to the first Kenyan-American president and led him back to a small room just inside the rear of the store. Gesturing to a seat in front of a small desk in the dimly-lit room, the job creator took his normal seat behind the desk. President Obama remained standing. "I'm afraid I have some bad news for you. You're going to have to cut Nina's hours." "What? But why? She's one of my best employees! I can't do that to her!" Obama just shook his head. "I don't think you quite understand me." The former community organizer reached into his jacket, pulled out a handgun and leveled it at the man. "Let me be clear. I'm not asking whether you could. I'm telling you to. The Affordable Care Act... I mean, Obamacare, demands a sacrifice. Now open your schedule." The man sat frozen for a few moments, unsure what to do. "I... But..." Obama cocked his gun and squatted next to the man, placing it against the man's temple. "Open it. Now." Shaking with fear but with no options left to him, the man slowly grabbed his mouse and opened up the scheduling software on the old computer that sat on his desk. "Now. Set Nina to be scheduled for 29 hours next week." The man did so. "Good. Now you better keep it that way, or I will be back. And you don't want me coming back. You hear?" The small business owner gulped and nodded. "Yes, sir." Obama holstered his gun in his inside breast pocket and stood up. "Thank you for cooperating. It would have been quite unfortunate had I been forced to lay her off due to your intransigence." He brushed his shoulder and made to leave. "Wait! Why are you doing this to me? I voted for you!" Obama stopped just short of the door and turned to look back at the man with a smirk. "If you think this is bad, you don't even want to know what Hillary Clinton has planned." With that, the President chuckled and closed the door behind him. Passing by the front counter on his way out the door, he flipped a quarter to Nina. "Please, give your boss my regards. And you can keep the hope and change. You're gonna need it."
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vorebane posted:What about just epipen and insulin? Looking at wikipedia insulin looks pretty twisty. I may be a dumb canuck but I feel this could be kickstarterable. Eh my research advisor is from BC, you guys are cool. The human body is a lot more complex than we think it is, and shotgunning hormones into it can work, but we can do a lot better.
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fade5 posted:Injured/dead: all the non-Trump supporters and/or those not willing to back Trump. Is this a bad thing?
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His Divine Shadow posted:Is this a bad thing? Depends how hyped you were about the Night of the Long Knives.
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