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I realize that card costs BB instead of 1B, but it reminds me of Maro's comment on Walking Corpse in the original Innistrad:quote:This card actually caused quite a bit of discussion for R&D, as we've never done a black "Grizzly Bears" before. After much talking, it was decided that black should be able, some of the time, to get a two-drop vanilla 2/2. Since then black has had a bear or bear-with-upside for 1B in M13, RTR, GTC, BNG, M15, FRF, DTK, DTK again, BFZ, and MMPR. "Some of the time" became "All of the time" surprisingly quickly. (Also it's pretty lovely that bears have now joined one-mana filter cantrips and red-wraths at mythic.)
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Mar 4, 2016 17:12
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Who likes Merfolk Looter at mythic anyway
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Mar 4, 2016 17:13
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I think this card is a fine mythic, it does a bunch of stuff and is efficiently costed
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Mar 4, 2016 17:14
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Get your Risen Executioner specs.
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Mar 4, 2016 17:16
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sarmhan posted:It's also a really cool card that does a bunch of powerful stuff. How is it not mythic? Lets pretend this doesn't/can't happen at rare I guess? I get the argument for limited, but making constructed decks go up by 60-120 bucks because an auto 4 of is at mythic is much more annoying than seeing this kind of card at rare. Not that this will be an amazing card, but its definitely annoying to see a non-legendary, 1-3 drop creature at mythic.
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Mar 4, 2016 17:19
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Sickening posted:Lets pretend this doesn't/can't happen at rare I guess? I don't think there is any way that card is going to be 15 bucks...
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Mar 4, 2016 17:20
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mcmagic posted:I don't think there is any way that card is going to be 15 bucks... I guess I didn't make it clear enough that this wasn't a lock to be a good card. Its just the type of card at mythic that annoys me.
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Mar 4, 2016 17:21
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They have always printed cheap cards at mythic.
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Mar 4, 2016 17:21
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Why does cheap= not mythic? It's certainly powerful, it probably only goes in a few decks, and it has a real wow factor to it.
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Mar 4, 2016 17:22
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Sickening posted:Lets pretend this doesn't/can't happen at rare I guess? I'd say it's a BIT too complex for a 2016 rare to be honest. Between the power level (for Limited too), and the complexity (two triggers, off the same thing, both with a cost, they do different things), it's not a huge contender for Bullshit Mythic (TM).
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Mar 4, 2016 17:22
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It's a build-around not a staple, you need sac outlets and other zombies to make it good
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Mar 4, 2016 17:23
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Costing BB instead of 1B is a non-trivial drawback in most decks. It seems strong enough to be played somewhere but the color requirement is going to keep it from being splashed everywhere like Jace. If it ends up in a mono-B shell, then you're also saving money on duals. This is a totally fine mythic. Stop being weirdos.
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Mar 4, 2016 17:24
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Barry Shitpeas posted:It's a build-around not a staple, you need sac outlets and other zombies to make it good Yeah, how much this card is played will completely depend on context.
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Mar 4, 2016 17:25
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Nantuko Husk is still around, right?
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Mar 4, 2016 17:26
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Serperoth posted:
I'm excited to be back on a plane with cool hats everywhere.
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Mar 4, 2016 17:26
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They also regard CC as completely different to 1C for costing purposes. Red still doesn't get bears but Ash Zealot was printed.TheKingofSprings posted:Nantuko Husk is still around, right?
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Mar 4, 2016 17:26
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Lottery of Babylon posted:one-mana filter cantrips at mythic.) Oath of Nissa is a rare. There have been 6 1-cmc mythics printed*, and 3 of those are X-spells so they aren't really 1 mana. The other three are Dragonmaster Outcast, Kytheon, and Warden of the First Tree, two of whom need more than 1 mana to really work and the third is a flipwalker. *18 more were reprinted at mythic for products like FTVs and MTGO-only sets. The above six were originally printed at mythic. If anything, this guy is a lot like Dragon Whisperer. 2-colored mana cost for a 2/2 with interesting abilities but sort of restricted in what decks even want it.
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Mar 4, 2016 17:27
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one card recurring card advantage engines are probably mythic quality
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Mar 4, 2016 17:30
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Irony Be My Shield posted:They also regard CC as completely different to 1C for costing purposes. Red still doesn't get bears but Ash Zealot was printed. Flip Liliana could be really good.
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Mar 4, 2016 17:30
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I find it really disingenuous to just call it a bear at mythic since you know, it has other text that's pretty good
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Mar 4, 2016 17:32
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Entropic posted:I'm excited to be back on a plane with cool hats everywhere. Hm, I'll take fun paper hats instead of candy for the prerelease too.
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Mar 4, 2016 17:34
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It seems like the kind of card you run 2-3 copies of, but not the full four
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Mar 4, 2016 17:37
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I already love the flavor, art, and mechanics of this set.
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Mar 4, 2016 17:39
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I'm not sure about that, it gets better in multiples.
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Mar 4, 2016 17:40
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TheKingofSprings posted:It seems like the kind of card you run 2-3 copies of, but not the full four I dunno, in a deck that wants it I'm pretty sure you'd want all 4. It's good on turn 2 (it has loving Menace too), and good on turn 8. They recur each other, and I'm sure there will be some other good Zombies. There already are other good Zombies. Hopefully there will be some good graveyard hate in SoI, besides Kalitas and Anafenza. This synergizes with your own Kalitas BTW.
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Mar 4, 2016 17:50
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Chill la Chill posted:Hm, I'll take fun paper hats instead of candy for the prerelease too. Foldable paper tricorn hats would be the best pre-release gimmick.
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Mar 4, 2016 17:54
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Is Incorrigible Youths the first instance of the new Madness reminder text?
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Mar 4, 2016 17:54
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Well let's look at the options here: 1. Print this at mythic, because it's a recurring creature that can also block and is also a pretty powerful reanimation spell in limited. 2. Print it at rare because it "doesn't feel mythic". Judging by the community reactions to every single mythic ever, "doesn't feel mythic" applies to anything that's not a planeswalker. Limited becomes almost as unfun as playing against Pack Rat, because decks become grindy games of bringing back zombies over and over. 3. Don't print the card at all, severely limiting what R&D can push out because if a card needs to be mythic but doesn't "feel mythic" then it can't be printed.
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Mar 4, 2016 17:55
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Entropic posted:Foldable paper tricorn hats would be the best pre-release gimmick. Bobbing for apples is another neat halloween activity that fits with SOI but we don't really like our fruits and veggies so I don't think that will go over well.
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Mar 4, 2016 17:58
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Chill la Chill posted:Bobbing for apples is another neat halloween activity that fits with SOI but we don't really like our fruits and veggies so I don't think that will go over well. There's also the whole "sweaty grognards dunking their filthy faces in water you're going to dunk your face in". thing, so...
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Mar 4, 2016 18:03
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I mean this slots in as a 2-4 of in any existing aristocrats deck fairly easily to replace things that are rotating, and that's ignoring anything else they print in SoI. It'll see play, probably a lot of it, unless we get a lot of playable grave hate.
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Mar 4, 2016 18:05
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dragon enthusiast posted:Is Incorrigible Youths the first instance of the new Madness reminder text? The first where it's legible. The unofficially spoiled Fiery Temper reprint honored the long tradition of leaks being photographed terribly by someone who doesn't care about blurriness or glare.
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Mar 4, 2016 18:06
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Chill la Chill posted:Big Window's time is up!!! Also, that should look good in foil. FTV: Broken Windows. With all werewolves and Mardu warriors. Looking forward to that one, zombie tribal gets a big push there.
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Mar 4, 2016 18:11
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While it's powerful I think the application for Relentless Dead is pretty narrow. You need zombies and you need to be heavily black (you should be able to pay BBB to make it worth it IMO). So I doubt its mythicness will be a major problem unless Mono-Black Zombies is the only playable deck in standard.
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Mar 4, 2016 18:13
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Geralf's Masterpiece is zombie Griselbrand. Look at the art. Also, it's finally Risen Executioner's time to shine! Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 18:18 on Mar 4, 2016 |
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Mar 4, 2016 18:15
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I really hate their mythic design strategy of "make a very powerful card, then give it 1-2 additional upsides on top of that."
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Mar 4, 2016 18:19
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BizarroAzrael posted:FTV: Broken Windows. With all werewolves and Mardu warriors. Wait, mardudes were into that as well? I never noticed cuz I was fawning at the glory of the champion dude.
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Mar 4, 2016 18:21
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Chill la Chill posted:Wait, mardudes were into that as well? I never noticed cuz I was fawning at the glory of the champion dude.  On an unrelated note, is this finally going to be the block where sorin actually does something
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Mar 4, 2016 18:30
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BJPaskoff posted:Well let's look at the options here: Option 4: make it a 5 mana 6/3 or whatever so it "feels mythic", thus completely changing the function of the card
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Barry Shitpeas posted:Option 4: make it a 5 mana 6/3 or whatever so it "feels mythic", thus completely changing the function of the card Actually the worst option.
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