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Magrov posted:quick story about the guanabara bay cleaning effort. brasil.txt
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TheLovablePlutonis posted:Reminder that the mastermind of that coup is the favorite to become the next US president. Man, Trump sure is evil.
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Lula was arrested and there's a PSDB/PMDB meeting happening. I guess the Impeachment is actually happening now huh
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TheLovablePlutonis posted:Lula was arrested and there's a PSDB/PMDB meeting happening. I guess the Impeachment is actually happening now huh Well, he wasn't arrested, a prosecutor asked for his preventive detention, but nothing was executed yet. Also that prosecutor tried to make a sarcastic quip on how Lula embarassed the forefathers of socialism, but instead of saying "Marx and Engels" he said "Marx and Hegel". Close enough, I guess.
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Dias posted:Well, he wasn't arrested, a prosecutor asked for his preventive detention, but nothing was executed yet. Also that prosecutor tried to make a sarcastic quip on how Lula embarassed the forefathers of socialism, but instead of saying "Marx and Engels" he said "Marx and Hegel". Close enough, I guess. Also quoted Nietzsche for absolutely no reason at all. The petition was already pretty weak, as it is based solely on the fact that Lula can be heard saying that "they can shove this accusations up their asses" in a recording that leaked. Then the prosecutor decided it was a good opportunity to show how literate he is and it became a joke. Even the opposition is saying it is poo poo EDIT: also 
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TheLovablePlutonis posted:Reminder that the mastermind of that coup is the favorite to become the next US president. Before she was murdered Cáceres actually called out Hillary for her support of the coup regime http://www.thenation.com/article/chronicle-of-a-honduran-assassination-foretold/ quote:In a video interview, given in Buenos Aires in 2014, Cáceres says it was Clinton who helped legitimate and institutionalize the coup. In response to a question about the exhaustion of the opposition movement (to restore democracy), Cáceres says (around 6:10): “The same Hillary Clinton, in her book Hard Choices, practically said what was going to happen in Honduras. This demonstrates the bad legacy of North American influence in our country. The return of Mel Zelaya to the presidency (that is, to his constitutionally elected position) was turned into a secondary concern. There were going to be elections.” Clinton, in her position as secretary of state, pressured (as her emails show) other countries to agree to sideline the demands of Cáceres and others that Zelaya be returned to power. Instead, Clinton pushed for the election of what she calls in Hard Choices a “unity government.” But Cáceres says: “We warned that this would be very dangerous.… The elections took place under intense militarism, and enormous fraud.”
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Mar 12, 2016 00:34
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Shut the gently caress up Malcolm Caldwell.
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Borneo Jimmy posted:Before she was murdered Cáceres actually called out Hillary for her support of the coup regime I fail to see why anyone should sympathize with a populist demagogue attempting to install themselves as dictator through extralegal means, rather than the constitutional processes that ensured Honduras would continue as a functional nation-state rather than going the way of the Venezuelan failed state.
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Thesaurus posted:Can anyone recommend any books (English or Spanish) about how central America (specifically El Salvador, Honduras, qmd Guatemala) has gotten to be such a poo poo show? Gangs, drugs, history, politics, foreign policy, etc. Seeking Refuge touches on the instability in Central America in the 70s and 80s although it's primarily about the refugee crisis in Mexico, the US, and Canada: http://www.amazon.com/Seeking-Refuge-Central-American-Migration/dp/0520247019/
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My Imaginary GF posted:I fail to see why anyone should sympathize with a populist demagogue attempting to install themselves as dictator through extralegal means, rather than the constitutional processes that ensured Honduras would continue as a functional nation-state rather than going the way of the Venezuelan failed state. wait, what is this post referring to when it mentions a constitutional process that ensures Honduras will continue as a functional nation-state does it include the coup, rigged elections and the political assassinations that ensued, or just the coup
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What would it take for President Rouseff to get booted out at this rate, considering how she still desperately clings to power?
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Mar 13, 2016 02:16
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A military coup which is scheduled to this monday
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Mar 13, 2016 02:40
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vcs têm o look preparado pra amanhã????
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I'm wondering but how likley is it that the violence in Honduras escalates?
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Grouchio posted:What would it take for President Rouseff to get booted out at this rate, considering how she still desperately clings to power? Eh, despite the political climate in Brazil and the Federal Police closing in on Lula, I don't think impeachment is a solid possibility still. Badger of Basra posted:vcs têm o look preparado pra amanhã???? Bleh, I live in one of my cities' main avenues, I intend to get shitfaced tomorrow and ignore the parade noise super hard. Also, avoid wearing red shirts when I go outside.
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I have a leftover firework from the reveillon so I guess if they march too close from my street...
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SexyBlindfold posted:wait, what is this post referring to when it mentions a constitutional process that ensures Honduras will continue as a functional nation-state What do you call an individual who is president for life? A dictator. Sometimes, one must engage in unconstitutional conduct in order to preserve the processes of democracy against the forces that would see them destroyed for their own benefit.
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Badger of Basra posted:vcs têm o look preparado pra amanhã???? Sink this loving continent into the ocean
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Badger of Basra posted:vcs têm o look preparado pra amanhã???? is it thanking the police for arresting lula?
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goatse.cx posted:is it thanking the police for arresting lula? No, they've been doing poo poo like this since last year. 
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Mar 13, 2016 10:25
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and the protests against corruption already started bougie as gently caress, people literally "protesting" on yachts :
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Mar 13, 2016 16:04
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From the footage I saw there more non white and working class people on Trump rallies
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TheLovablePlutonis posted:From the footage I saw there more non white and working class people on Trump rallies Speaking of...  Good FB page for the most ridiculous parts of the protests: https://www.facebook.com/HumansOfProtesto/
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This is so Pullitzer-worthy.
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The funny part is that this: Was a widely circulated cartoon about last year's protests.
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Negrostrike posted:This is so Pullitzer-worthy. To be fair, that's a soccer/football exec. I'd be surprised if he wasn't caught on film doing scummy poo poo.
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Brunom1 posted:To be fair, that's a soccer/football exec. I'd be surprised if he wasn't caught on film doing scummy poo poo. According to his official bio page on flamengo's homepage, he was the financial vice president of Brasif, the company that was sending money illegally to Fernando Henrique's mistress. http://flamengo.com.br/site/noticia/detalhe/21985/claudio-pracownik-e-o-novo-vice-presidente-de-financas He actually posted a defense about the picture on facebook. His argument? He's a Job Creator.
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Negrostrike posted:This is so Pullitzer-worthy. Are those their kids that the black lady is pushing?
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punk rebel ecks posted:Are those their kids that the black lady is pushing? Check the clothing and skin color on them dude
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nerdz posted:and the protests against corruption already started bougie as gently caress, people literally "protesting" on yachts : The revolution will be televised, and also posted from the latest iPhones
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To be honest, I'm a bit divided on the protests. They definitely feel like the work of opportunists corralling people to protest against the politicians they want, but it's not like those people don't have a reason to protest. Also with the millions of people that were on the streets you can't say that this was a 100% bourgeoisie protest. I really wish that the politicians benefiting from them get swallowed by the monster they fed and raised. But the way things go, the left will be completely demoralized while PSOL tries to distance itself from PT, PSDB won't fare much better and the PSC opportunists will get even more influence. This is what happens when people hold on to power for too long I guess.
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joepinetree posted:The funny part is that this: Why is there a tag on the nanny's shirt? Any special significance to that?
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nerdz posted:To be honest, I'm a bit divided on the protests. They definitely feel like the work of opportunists corralling people to protest against the politicians they want, but it's not like those people don't have a reason to protest. Also with the millions of people that were on the streets you can't say that this was a 100% bourgeoisie protest. I really wish that the politicians benefiting from them get swallowed by the monster they fed and raised. But the way things go, the left will be completely demoralized while PSOL tries to distance itself from PT, PSDB won't fare much better and the PSC opportunists will get even more influence. This is what happens when people hold on to power for too long I guess. It wasn't 100% bourgeoisie, but it was actually pretty close to that. 77% of the protesters in Sao Paulo yesterday had finished college (when the national number is something like 12%, and for Sao Paulo itself 28%). Kopijeger posted:Why is there a tag on the nanny's shirt? Any special significance to that? The joke is that the yellow shirt (a trademark of these protests) is new and recently bought by her boss for these protests.
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nerdz posted:To be honest, I'm a bit divided on the protests. They definitely feel like the work of opportunists corralling people to protest against the politicians they want, but it's not like those people don't have a reason to protest. Also with the millions of people that were on the streets you can't say that this was a 100% bourgeoisie protest. I really wish that the politicians benefiting from them get swallowed by the monster they fed and raised. But the way things go, the left will be completely demoralized while PSOL tries to distance itself from PT, PSDB won't fare much better and the PSC opportunists will get even more influence. This is what happens when people hold on to power for too long I guess. 
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joepinetree posted:It wasn't 100% bourgeoisie, but it was actually pretty close to that. 77% of the protesters in Sao Paulo yesterday had finished college (when the national number is something like 12%, and for Sao Paulo itself 28%). Anyone who thinks most of the protesters were rich people with nanies drinking champagne didint bothered going there thenselves. Most people there (at least here in SP) were middle class, common people. And Ive been a protest rat since college and Ive never seem one where most of the protesters wanst mostly "bourgeoise" (white middle class with superior education) except for MTST (Movimento dos Trabalhadores Sem Teto) and MST (Movimento dos Sem Terra) protests. I would bet that any MPL (Movimento Passe Livre) protest has an even greater proportion of white middle class, but no one ever asks this questions for protests associated with the left. Is pretty silly to dismiss these protests for being "elite" when several millions of people went to the streets yesterday, mostly common working people who doest do politics for a living nor are associated to political parties. And I think we all know there's plenty of reasons to be unsatisfied and mad at our current government, as there are some very legitimate reasons for impeachment (like the fact Dilma's campaing was fueled by bribe money http://www.istoe.com.br/reportagens/448524_O+ESQUEMA+ERENICE) Here is one of mine from yesterday 
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It's like I said, I believe some good might come out of this. The people bringing out the flimsiest accusations against Dilma (like the fiscal stuff, which every politician has done at some point) will put everyone under a big scrutiny to not do the same things. I also want to believe that after getting what they want out of this (Dilma out, Lula jailed, PT broken), the opposition won't be able to simply deescalate the civil unrest unless they do a better job themselves. Also I hope that since people consider the Federal Police and MP the heroes of this protest, I hope any attempt at neutering either will fail due to unpopularity, which means we'll see people from all sides getting arrested and investigated. I only fear for the welfare and quotas programs. Let's hope they're still standing in the next few years.
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Aécio, Alckmin and Serra were all greeted with booing and screams of "corrupt" in the protests yesterday. PSDB at least is not coming out any stronger from this. Bolsonaro unfortunately remains the unanimous hero
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Elias_Maluco posted:Anyone who thinks most of the protesters were rich people with nanies drinking champagne didint bothered going there thenselves. Most people there (at least here in SP) were middle class, common people. They are only "middle class, common people" if you have a very distorted view of Brazil. 63% of the protesters had an income of at least 5 times the minimum wage, which puts them in the top 10% of the Brazilian income distribution, and only 6% had incomes of less than 2 times the minimum wage. Meanwhile, the last time CUT organized a pro-PT protest, 24% earned less than 2 times the minimum wage and 49% were Black/Brown. Not to mention that this is a bizarre argument to make. Yeah, if we exclude protests by typical left leaning organizations like MST, MTST, and obviously CUT, you will get a different basis of comparison. But the profile of MPL (and the ones about the school closings) is clearly different form yesterday's. And 60% of protesters yesterday said that FHC was the best president in Brazilian history. People may not be huge fans of Alckmin and Aecio (though I am pretty sure that they would win in a landslide if polled against virtually anyone else in those protests, with the exception of maybe Bolsonaro), but that is mostly a result of the internal fighting at PSDB (see also the primaries for SP mayor) than opposition to PSDB itself. joepinetree fucked around with this message at 14:41 on Mar 14, 2016 |
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joepinetree posted:They are only "middle class, common people" if you have a very distorted view of Brazil. 63% of the protesters had an income of at least 5 times the minimum wage, which puts them in the top 10% of the Brazilian income distribution, and only 6% had incomes of less than 2 times the minimum wage. 8/2015: 24%: < 2 minimum wage 33%: 2 - 5 mw 21%: 5 - 10 mw 20%: 10 < mw Yesterday: 6%: < 2 mw 25%: 2 - 5 mw 26%: 5 - 10 mw 24%: 10 - 20 < mw Richier? Sure, but is not that different. Mostly middle class people in both. Also, it is a well know fact that PT (and entities related to it) pays poor people to enlarge those pro-PT protests
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