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If this election cycle ends with Mitt loving Romney as the Republican Nominee after all of this batshit insane stuff, I'm gonna be so mad. It's like ending your epic sci-fi novel with "and they lived happily ever after" right before the climactic battle. I want explosions! I want fighting! I want strange orange-colored beings attempting to win over an entire population! Mitt is the antithesis of interesting, exciting, and climactic.
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Icon Of Sin posted:This is exactly what the Bernout on my fb feed is threatening to do. I feel like the problem isn't that your friend is a Bernie supporter ... I hate to break it to you, but your friend may be a moron.
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Mar 5, 2016 06:58
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Klaus88 posted:
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Yoshifan823 posted:If this election cycle ends with Mitt loving Romney as the Republican Nominee after all of this batshit insane stuff, I'm gonna be so mad. It's like ending your epic sci-fi novel with "and they lived happily ever after" right before the climactic battle. In order for Mitt to be the nominee some interesting and exciting poo poo will go down, don't you worry.
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Mar 5, 2016 07:09
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Icon Of Sin posted:This is exactly what the Bernout on my fb feed is threatening to do. Really? All mine are still in 'it ain't over till the fat lady sings' mode, posting infographics about super-delegates and big media. I had a small epiphany about their mindset yesterday so I'm letting it slide for now.
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Mar 5, 2016 07:10
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1955. If you're talking about the Midway, it wasn't even finished until 1945.
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Mar 5, 2016 07:13
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I don't know if any of you get out into the wild and talk to Trump supporters, but most I've talked to really like Bernie, what he says, and that they would vote for him because he is saner. The main issue they have with him, when they have an issue, is the socialist aspect. I've run into a number of people the last few weeks who have surprised me by saying that the socialist aspect is misconstrued and doesn't mean communist or doesn't matter since his ideas are good. I know it is anecdotal, but maybe everything wouldn't burn down if it was Trump v. sanders. Edit: on the flip side, every sanders supporter I've talked to know what is at stake. They say they will vote Hillary if she wins the nomination because the other option is terrifying. Mr Hootington fucked around with this message at 07:21 on Mar 5, 2016 |
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Mar 5, 2016 07:19
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Seriously, if one of your bernout friends advocates voting for trump, tell them they are selfish spiteful cunts
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Mar 5, 2016 07:24
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Reminder: the green party supports polio.
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Mar 5, 2016 07:32
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In a certain light I can understand why someone who wants Bernie would choose Trump as option B. Because you have to admit that they are the both promising the one thing that no other candidate in either party is: to destroy the system instead of work with it. Hillary does not want a revolution in the US. She wants to do things the old fashion way. She wants to work with the establishment, not topple it. The same is true of Cruz, Rubio, and everyone else on the R side of the aisle except Trump. That's what Bernie and Trump have in common. Bernie uses the phrase "start a revolution" every time he speaks. Trump not only doesn't court the political establishment, he actively taunts and disrespects it. For many people a vote for either of them represents a feeling that the current system is so dysfunctional that it is beyond saving and should be completely torn down and rebuilt. At the same time a vote for anyone else is a vote for playing the same game with the same rules for another four years and kicking any prospect of radical change out the window until 2020 at earliest. I think that's what this is about much, much more than "didn't get Bernie so I'm gonna troll Hillary by voting R". Meme Poker Party fucked around with this message at 07:39 on Mar 5, 2016 |
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Mar 5, 2016 07:35
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Chomp8645 posted:In a certain light I can understand why someone who wants Bernie would choose Trump as option B. Because you have to admit that they are the both promising the one thing that no other candidate in either party is: to destroy the system instead of work with it. Hillary does not want a revolution in the US. She wants to the things the old fashion way. She wants to work with the establishment, not combat it. The same is true of Cruz, Rubio, and everyone else on the R side of the aisle except Trump. I always try to emphasize that their mere existence as candidates is shaking things up quite nicely, then drill home the necessity of OH MY GOD WE CANNOT LET TRUMP PICK THE NEXT 2-3 SCOTUS JUDGES
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Mar 5, 2016 07:38
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Mr Hootington posted:Edit: on the flip side, every sanders supporter I've talked to know what is at stake. They say they will vote Hillary if she wins the nomination because the other option is terrifying. Your experiences are different than mine. A disturbing number of self-described progressives on my friends list are threatening to stay home if Hillary wins the nomination. Edit: Chomp8645 posted:At the same time a vote for anyone else is a vote for playing the same game with the same rules for another four years and kicking any prospect of radical change out the window until 2020 at earliest. My response to that sentiment follows. quote:I guess I have a problem with self-described progressives who are (a) insulated from the effects of a GOP victory by the combination of their race/class/gender preference/religion, (b) too selfish to realize that a GOP victory would actively harm others who aren't, and so (c) planning on not voting. Question: how high is my horse here? Grundulum fucked around with this message at 07:45 on Mar 5, 2016 |
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There are many kinds of revolutions, if all you want is to burn the system with no viable alternative, maybe check out Somalia.
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Grundulum posted:Your experiences are different than mine. A disturbing number of self-described progressives on my friends list are threatening to stay home if Hillary wins the nomination. They were never going to vote anyway... which is actually what to expect from the typical Bernie voter.
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Mar 5, 2016 07:45
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Bernie's revolution boils down to voting for slightly more leftist candidates. As President he would make a lot of speeches and the occasional executive order that would get held up in court. Trump would declare the New York Times illegal the first time they criticized him and would bomb Mexico when former President Fox makes fun of his hair. If you know anyone who has Trump as their second choice after Sanders tell them to get hosed.
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Rexicon1 posted:There are many kinds of revolutions, if all you want is to burn the system with no viable alternative, maybe check out Somalia. I'm not trying to argue that a Trump revolution would be anything like a Bernie revolution, or that Trump would be a good thing at all. But I do understand and sympathize with people who are so frustrated with the current state of affairs that they refuse to support traditional methods any longer. In that case I find it difficult to condemn them when, after their sensible option is taken away, they simply settle for the drastic one. Personally I want Bernie. If he officially loses out to Hillary then I honestly have no idea what I'll do. I guess it will depends on what the happens on the R side. Maybe I'll vote for her. Maybe I'll just stay home. It's difficult to care anymore.
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Mar 5, 2016 07:49
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No thread turn left from Berniechat
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Chomp8645 posted:I'm not trying to argue that a Trump revolution would be anything like a Bernie revolution, or that Trump would be a good thing at all. But I do understand and sympathize with people who are so frustrated with the current state of affairs that they refuse to support traditional methods any longer. In that case I find it difficult to condemn them when, after their sensible option is taken away, they simply settle for the drastic one. Here's the thing, the US requires two healthy political parties that are actually interested in running the country or else the entire government is pretty much broken. The GOP has been pretty much hosed since 2010 (1980 was it's downward spiral and 94 was its death rattle), and them being a dysfunctional mess with no incentive to actually govern is why most people are frustrated with the current state of affairs. So yeah, you might be disillusioned at the way things are now but remember that it literally took over 30 years to go from "poo poo's not great but could be better" to "the US government has ceased to function", and to be blunt you have to be a monumental loving retard to think that poo poo can be turned around in one loving election cycle.
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Mar 5, 2016 07:57
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:No thread turn left from Berniechat  it's metastasizing
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Mar 5, 2016 08:00
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Pretty much, I've stopped talking to people about it because you can't reason people out of a position they didn't reason themselves into. Anyone who supports Bernie for logical reasons (that aren't "he's a white populist and I looooooove white populists," anyway) will do the sane thing; anyone who supports him because he gives them warmfuzzies will do whatever else gives them warmfuzzies and there's not really a good way to influence that. Incidentally, this applies to a lot of things that aren't primarychat, too, funny how that works.
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:No thread turn left from Berniechat How do you turn left from Bernie Sanders? So like actual Jesus?
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DemeaninDemon posted:How do you turn left from Bernie Sanders? So like actual Jesus? An actual "seize the means of production" Democratic Socialist, instead of a "save capitalism through welfare" Social Democrat?
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Mar 5, 2016 08:37
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DemeaninDemon posted:How do you turn left from Bernie Sanders? So like actual Jesus? Reparations!
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Mar 5, 2016 09:04
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The news out of the republican party and how things are going for them with the current attempts to deny Trump his due leaves me but one, proper response: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_sY2rjxq6M
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Mar 5, 2016 09:10
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Dr Christmas posted:I'm still baffled by the sequence of thoughts that lead to someone voting for Obama over Romney, supporting Bernie and then saying they'll suppor Trump if Hillary wins the nomination. Its probably overblown, but the news of Hillary's IT guy getting immunity has me spooked. What do you think would happen if, when he loses the nomination, Bernie puts out a statement telling his disillusioned supporters to not not be a goddamn idiot and support Hillary? People want something - ANYTHING - to jostle the perpetual political establishment from the business as usual lesser of two evil voting between Republucans and Democrats and they (wrongly) see Trump as some kind of wild card outsider unbeholdened to the status quo. Things seem to only continuously get worse and unresponsive to the average working or middle class voter regardless of which party is in power so they'll bet their figurative life savings away on a chaos candidate to overturn the apple cart.
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Yoshifan823 posted:If this election cycle ends with Mitt loving Romney as the Republican Nominee after all of this batshit insane stuff, I'm gonna be so mad. It's like ending your epic sci-fi novel with "and they lived happily ever after" right before the climactic battle. Drafting Romney this late into the primaries would be virtually flushing away the election and handing the win to the Democrats. It's insane that the GOP considers it a desperate emergency plan B, let alone a winning strategy. Romney did poo poo all in 2012, how would it not be dramatically worse off now?
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Mar 5, 2016 09:23
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I just cannot imagine a situation where the GOP does not come out of their convention completely and utterly hosed. Whether it means Trump remains the nominee or not. And then Hillary will feast off what's left.
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Mar 5, 2016 09:34
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I just cannot imagine a situation where the GOP does not come out of their convention completely and utterly hosed. Whether it means Trump remains the nominee or not. And then Hillary will feast off what's left. They waited way too long to take him seriously and now the genie's out of the bottle. No matter what happens with Trump there's now a big unmanageable chunk of their party that isn't going to accept establishment candidates or decrees anymore.
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Mar 5, 2016 09:44
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Wonder how much of her camp is laughing their asses off between screaming DON'T gently caress UP.
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DemeaninDemon posted:Wonder how much of her camp is laughing their asses off between screaming DON'T gently caress UP. Thankfully this entire experience is providing such a great primer for Hillary and the DNC on how to effectively combat Trump.
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Before the current campaign, Donald Trump's previous foray into politics ended when Obama humiliated him at the White House Correspondant's dinner so bad that he shut the gently caress up about politics for four years. If he can go from that to where he is now, maybe Romney can do the same? Apparently all you have to do is give a rambling speech bout how when you become president, you'll never ride a bicycle.
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Mar 5, 2016 10:02
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An earlier post(or maybe from the Feb thread) had a link to an article that said that the whole rightwing machine/network has done zero research into dirt on Tump while there's a couple of dem orgs silently working on it. So yeah, while everyone did assume Trump was a joke, at least someone on the Ds worked on some insurance.
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PhazonLink posted:An earlier post(or maybe from the Feb thread) had a link to an article that said that the whole rightwing machine/network has done zero research into dirt on Tump while there's a couple of dem orgs silently working on it. Kind of a perfect setup. You only need to dig up dirt on Trump, because Trump will be digging up all the dirt on every other GOP hopeful and airing it ASAP because that's just who he is. You can launch an ad campaign with just poo poo you've got on your DVR
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I am not so certain that Trump getting screwed out of the convention by whoever would be quite a deathblow to the GOP rather than a temporary setback. Trump supporters would be furious, yeah, but how long would that fury win out against the right wing media screaming about Clinton or Bernie as the greatest threat ever known to pull them back into the fold enough to cast their ballots? After that, it just seems like waiting for the goldfish memory effect to take place. I mean, if nothing else, voting in lockstep against The Enemy is what the right-wing base is known for when it comes to General elections. The only real wrinkle I see would be Trump himself agitating, and that requires the media to pay attention to him rather than the shiny new horserace and such.
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Northjayhawk posted:If they screw Trump at the convention, they are moving on to just hoping they can keep congress. The GOP wouldn't lose Congress, the establishment would. The voters won't stay home if The People's Choice™ is screwed, it will induce a second Tea Party wave of True Conservative Republicans™ to wipe out the establishment politicians. Just what the Koch brothers want... 
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Mister Macys posted:The GOP wouldn't lose Congress, the establishment would. The voters won't stay home if The People's Choice™ is screwed, it will induce a second Tea Party wave of True Conservative Republicans™ to wipe out the establishment politicians. Yeah, but the strongest Tea Party wave elections were predicated on there not being a presidential election and thus, lower D turnout. There's no way any sort of Tea Party movement is gonna happen in 2016 when Dems are coming out in droves to stop Donald Trump from being president. Del Capitan posted:I am not so certain that Trump getting screwed out of the convention by whoever would be quite a deathblow to the GOP rather than a temporary setback. Trump supporters would be furious, yeah, but how long would that fury win out against the right wing media screaming about Clinton or Bernie as the greatest threat ever known to pull them back into the fold enough to cast their ballots? After that, it just seems like waiting for the goldfish memory effect to take place. I mean, if nothing else, voting in lockstep against The Enemy is what the right-wing base is known for when it comes to General elections. This is kinda true. At this point, the GOP almost has given up on the idea of winning in 2016 (or at very least put it on the back burner for the time being), because they're too concerned with not destroying the entire party. Trump as the candidate would be disastrous, and while loving Trump out of the spot would be bad, and would probably ax chances at winning 2016, the people who get mad about Trump being screwed will be back by the time 2020 rolls around. Which is why I'm desperately cheering for Trump to win that nomination. I want to see the GOP wallow in the poo poo they've strewn about for the last 40 years. (edit: Cruz taking it would be almost as good, because he's going to be repellant to general election voters in a way that no one ever has been before) Yoshifan823 fucked around with this message at 11:32 on Mar 5, 2016 |
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Yoshifan823 posted:Which is why I'm desperately cheering for Trump to win that nomination. I want to see the GOP wallow in the poo poo they've strewn about for the last 40 years. (edit: Cruz taking it would be almost as good, because he's going to be repellant to general election voters in a way that no one ever has been before) Do you know what the acceptable punishment for the GOP would be, in my opinion? If they divided at the convention, stayed split... and split... and split... never winning anything while their base died out. I wonder what the half-life of the Fox News audience is. Ten years? Fifteen? So that long.
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Dr Christmas posted:Before the current campaign, Donald Trump's previous foray into politics ended when Obama humiliated him at the White House Correspondant's dinner so bad that he shut the gently caress up about politics for four years. Tell me more about this.
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A Winner is Jew posted:They were never going to vote anyway... which is actually what to expect from the typical Bernie voter.  Do you seriously not realize that this kind of attitude is precisely what's behind the sweeping down-ticket losses for Democrats across the nation over the last 8 years? Potential voters feel the party does not sufficiently represent them and your answer is "gently caress 'em, we don't need their votes anyway!"?? If I hadn't seen this kind of asinine, head-in-the-sand argument in real life from 'true-blue Dems', I'd suspect you to be a conservative provocateur deliberately trying to suppress turnout. Is it that hard to believe that there is a non-negligible group of people profoundly distrustful of the Clinton machine's ties to monied interests and her weathervane approach to politics? Instead of dismissing their concerns and loving attacking them as naive losers, you could address the real and perceived faults within your party.
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Cugel the Clever posted:
Nah, money is more important.
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