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Rexroom posted:Prime Minister Juha Sipilä has threatened to put "pakkolaki" (or mandatory law changes to alter worker contracts) into effect if the attempt to form a "yhteiskuntasopimus" failed. Well, the talks have failed again for the nth time, now Sipilä admits there is no plan B, since there is no time to build said "pakkolaki." Every loving time I think that my opinion of this government's competence can't sink any lower, they somehow find new and innovative ways to prove me wrong. I've seen a lot in politics, but a bourgie government not having a plan to screw the workers ready to go is actually new.
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I'm sure they'll come up with a last-minute deal where anyone whose net worth is less than one million will be forced to feudal servitude and the rich will get not only eternal freedom from taxes, they'll also get to tax the slaves themselves.
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Cerebral Bore posted:Every loving time I think that my opinion of this government's competence can't sink any lower, they somehow find new and innovative ways to prove me wrong. I've seen a lot in politics, but a bourgie government not having a plan to screw the workers ready to go is actually new. Yeah, I can't really even be mad at them anymore because they can't do ANYTHING, evil or not. It's just really getting to be sad. I really hope someone writes a reveal-book about WTF is going on in the government right now. Even Kataisen's unholy abomination of a coalition got SOME things done. DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 11:37 on Mar 5, 2016 |
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Mar 5, 2016 11:27
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Cerebral Bore posted:Every loving time I think that my opinion of this government's competence can't sink any lower, they somehow find new and innovative ways to prove me wrong. I've seen a lot in politics, but a bourgie government not having a plan to screw the workers ready to go is actually new. Are there any concise sources that you can recommend that describe in short what is being proposed?
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Mar 5, 2016 12:41
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Ligur posted:Why are you guys so gloomy 
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Mar 5, 2016 12:48
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Why is every Finnish politician wearing the hipster glasses?
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Mar 5, 2016 12:50
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Pale IV DEMON
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Mar 5, 2016 13:03
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Ligur posted:Why are you guys so gloomy Have you seen the amount of brown people recently? We went sledding today at a nearby slope and it was full of full grown iraqi men sledding with the children and screaming and wooping like they never seen snow before. loving coutry's going to the shitter. I'm voting trump
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Mar 5, 2016 13:07
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Sipilä was supposed to get things done and fix Finland with his engineer brains and porvari government stylings but it hasn't happened. Maybe this means there is no solution to the Finnish problem, the well being state is doomed, and soon we'll be fighting the Iraqis for food in ruins of Korso while Putin laughs.
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Mar 5, 2016 13:16
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OhYeah posted:Are there any concise sources that you can recommend that describe in short what is being proposed? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHuBE3Zw-c4 From left to right: Sipilä, Soini @ Stubb
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Mar 5, 2016 13:42
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adhuin posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHuBE3Zw-c4 That sounds eerily similar to what happened in Estonia after the 2008-2009 crisis.
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Mar 5, 2016 13:51
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hillo posted:I was talking with some guy about current government and he was like "YEAH KILL STUBB" (yeah our discussion got kind of wild) 
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Mar 5, 2016 17:20
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http://www.iltalehti.fi/uutiset/2016030521223240_uu.shtml If you pay 120 euros and are a succesful business person or a kansanedustaja, you can have breakfast and pray with Timo Soini. Do we really need to bring all the worst GOP excesses to Finland?
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Fish of hemp posted:http://www.iltalehti.fi/uutiset/2016030521223240_uu.shtml I was just about to post this article. Normally I wouldn't really care, just some dumb poo poo involving Soini, what a shocker. BUT the timing of this article is really good, with the yhteiskuntasopimus/pakkolaki poo poo failing once more. I immediately thought that this was the governments plan B: Cross your hands and pray.
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Mar 5, 2016 19:27
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Kemper Boyd posted:We really can't fault America for going Trump when Finland decided that a politically unexperienced failed businessman was the best man to lead the nation. Our PM might be a tax evading pedocultist who likes to gently caress animals, but he was a quite successful businessman.
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Mar 5, 2016 19:33
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DarkCrawler posted:Yeah, I can't really even be mad at them anymore because they can't do ANYTHING, evil or not. It's just really getting to be sad. I really hope someone writes a reveal-book about WTF is going on in the government right now. Even Kataisen's unholy abomination of a coalition got SOME things done. Pretty much this. Kataisen and Stubbin governments were more professional with making GBS threads on Finland, so I'm reasonably happy with our current gvernment.
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Hogge Wild posted:Pretty much this. Kataisen and Stubbin governments were more professional with making GBS threads on Finland, so I'm reasonably happy with our current gvernment. ja he löytävät uusia tapoja epäonnistua heidän tehtävissään joten he ovat pohjimmiltaan aika harmitonta sakkia
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It's kinda like we elected Three Stooges to run our country and it's a surprisingly neutral option Meanwhile United States is doing their own rendition of The Great Dictator.
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DarkCrawler posted:It's kinda like we elected Three Stooges to run our country and it's a surprisingly neutral option Well, it's either Great Dictator or Hyacinth Bucket at this point.
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Mar 6, 2016 14:36
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Hogge Wild posted:Our PM might be a tax evading pedocultist who likes to gently caress animals, but he was a quite successful businessman. Check out how his companies have been doing since the 1990's. The key word is "persnetto."
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Kemper Boyd posted:Check out how his companies have been doing since the 1990's. The key word is "persnetto." i'll admit that i know nothing about his companies. only thing i've heard about his bisnesvainu is that he wasn't born a millionaire, but later became one. but could it be that his companies are doing persnetto because that's one of his ways to evade taxes? Hogge Wild fucked around with this message at 16:35 on Mar 6, 2016 |
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Hogge Wild posted:i'll admit that i know nothing about his companies. only thing i've heard about his bisnesvainu is that he wasn't born a millionaire, but later became one. but could it be that his companies are doing persnetto because that's one of his ways to evade taxes? Tl;dr version of his business life: He bought an already existing company that he sold off for a profit in 1996, Solitra Oy. Fortel Invest Oy which he founded in 1995 only made a profit during four years during the 1995-2012 period. I know a handful of people who managed to do similar moves during the heyday of the IT bubble, so I'd argue that it's not his competence that did it, rather the fact that Finland used to have some really specialized electronics manufacturing back then that became a hot commodity.
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Mar 6, 2016 18:12
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Sipilä is a successful businessman like Walrus is a successful banker.
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Triple A posted:Well, it's either Great Dictator or Hyacinth Bucket at this point. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qk28Uhgmqs
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Hogge Wild posted:Pretty much this. Kataisen and Stubbin governments were more professional with making GBS threads on Finland, so I'm reasonably happy with our current gvernment. They still need to find a way to fail at the massive austerity cuts though, in some other way than the obvious "the cuts won't actually save the economy and will gently caress us over for a generation" way.
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Ligur posted:I know this is an unpopular view monelle länsimaalaiselle, koska me ollaan totuttu siihen ettei kenestäkään "muista" oikein saa sanoa mitään pahaa ja me ollaan sen verran omahyväisiä että luullaan muunkin maailman väen jakavan about samat arvot, but you have attribute some of that to the people we're trying to integrate as well. voi vittu valitse kieli ja pysy siinä saatana
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Minorkos posted:voi vittu valitse kieli ja pysy siinä saatana yeah English only fucktards. This is an English only website!!!!!!!!!!!
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quote:Pakolaiskriisi on nostanut kansallisvaltioiden tahdon suojella itseään taas pintaan, vaikka EU perustettiin aikoinaan juuri vastavoimaksi äärinationalismille. Näillä mennään.
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Minorkos posted:voi vittu valitse kieli ja pysy siinä saatana Kuuluuko sun päässä semmoinen loud as gently caress CLANG noise as you flip the kielivipua mikä sulla on korvien välissä?
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HerraS posted:Kuuluuko sun päässä semmoinen loud as gently caress CLANG noise as you flip the kielivipua mikä sulla on korvien välissä? kuulostatte vaan helsinkiläisiltä niin vituttaa
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Kemper Boyd posted:Tl;dr version of his business life: He bought an already existing company that he sold off for a profit in 1996, Solitra Oy. Fortel Invest Oy which he founded in 1995 only made a profit during four years during the 1995-2012 period. Uhh Fortel Invest is a private investment vehicle (many people have them) so reporting losses is pretty much a function of tax instead of the actual quality of the business. It's not uncommon to own a lot of things such as your car and computers through a private company and write off the decline in value against investment profits. There are probably a lot of other things going on as well, such as using very conservative accounting standards to revalue the assets held by the company etc and lots of stuff that's well beyond my knowledge of tax law. And anyway, if he's investing in tech companies, returns are likely to come from one or two success stories with many more failures, so total profit over the period may be more indicative (though with tax stuff, likely not). His networth declaration didn't really clarify anything so we really have no idea whether the investments made by his private company have been successful or not. As to the "luck" part, I see that commonly with goons describing CEOs etc.. Sure he probably made a lot more money than someone equally qualified who was working in the forestry sector or for Kone, so there's an element of luck in choosing the right profession, but in the end, even in 2000, at the peak of the tech bubble, there were less than 100 people who reported income above e5m in Finland and 30 who reported income greater than Sipila's 12m, suggesting that it's not quite as common to become an IT millionaire as you think. Probably some competence required.
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Geriatric Pirate posted:It's not uncommon to own a lot of things such as your car and computers through a private company 
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Minorkos posted:kuulostatte vaan helsinkiläisiltä niin vituttaa I see where Finland's second language strife will come from. Being bilingual means that you can speak with both Helsinkians and various Forest Folk dialects (because lol if you think what they speak in maakunnat is Finnish, I can attest that Savo is something else entirely at the least) Mixing languages is obnoxious as hell though and sounds dumb. Languages need to be separate and pure.  (yes I know every language is basically an amalgam of hundred)
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HerraS posted:kielivipua mikä sulla on korvien välissä? As far as language politics go, I think we should stop worrying about mandatory Swedish and just deport anyone who doesn't understand the difference between joka and mikä.
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Maybe bad phrasing (though not uncommon doesn't mean it's common... I think) meant more that it's not something you need to be ultrarich to do or something that requires huge amounts of effort.
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DarkCrawler posted:I see where Finland's second language strife will come from. Being bilingual means that you can speak with both Helsinkians and various Forest Folk dialects (because lol if you think what they speak in maakunnat is Finnish, I can attest that Savo is something else entirely at the least) You have "forest folk" in Finland?! Geriatric Pirate posted:Maybe bad phrasing (though not uncommon doesn't mean it's common... I think) meant more that it's not something you need to be ultrarich to do or something that requires huge amounts of effort. No it was perfectly understandable. Quite a few workers here don't take out their pay as salary but they make invoices from their own "consulting company", so in essence everything they actually own (from the house to the car to the laptop) belongs to their company. It's a way to save a lot of money on taxes.
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OhYeah posted:You have "forest folk" in Finland?! 
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Geriatric Pirate posted:As to the "luck" part, I see that commonly with goons describing CEOs etc... Are we getting into this again?
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