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Cugel the Clever posted:I said I wasn't comfortable with voting for someone who is super-cozy with Wall Street and the bees came out to defend their queen Whatever helps you sleep better at night for helping put Trump into office, I guess.
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Can we talk about CPAC? Or today's primary, or tipping or chili or circumcision, or literally anything other than the Bernie Slapfight dumpster fire that has been the last 5 pages?
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Mar 5, 2016 21:03
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Cugel the Clever posted:Keep up that voter outreach You're a perfect example of why voter outreach to the petulant class is impossible.
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Mar 5, 2016 21:03
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stinkles1112 posted:Why is a politician changing their stances on political issues to better reflect the attitudes of their constituents considered by so many to be a bad thing? Isn't that like exactly what they're supposed to do? WRT changing positions: what bothers me about Clinton isn't that she has changed her mind, which can be a great thing and a sign of intelligence. It's her lovely attitude about it. From what I've seen of her, she can't just admit she was wrong about, say, gay marriage - and then take the opportunity to thank the various equal rights campaigns and movements that actually put the work in to change people's minds. Instead she just flips her position and then acts like she's always been the best ally ever. It's condescending and insulting. That said, she's better than any of the republican candidates by a long shot.
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Cugel the Clever posted:I said I wasn't comfortable with voting for someone who is super-cozy with Wall Street and the bees came out to defend their queen You skipped the part where you said that if your Perfect Jesus Candidate didn't win you're taking your ball and going home.
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:The question is: What motivates a politician who changes with the wind? Neither greed nor untempered ambition inspires a lot of trust. Nostalgia4Infinity posted:Oh you're going to vote third party Evil Fluffy posted:So when Bernie doesn't get the nomination you're going to passive-aggressively support the GOP instead? Congrats on being everything that posters were just making fun of.
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CARL MARK FORCE IV posted:Can we talk about CPAC? Or today's primary, or tipping or chili or circumcision, or literally anything other than the Bernie Slapfight dumpster fire that has been the last 5 pages? I'm game. What the hell happened in Kansas. When did the political system of an entire STATE get changed for one man?
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Oh great I think something major happened and its HRC Sanders chat.
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Mar 5, 2016 21:06
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It's stunning. When you take into account all that the next president will either do or even NOT do and the impact that it'll have both immediately and decades later. Then you have someone like Cugel come along and say that they're taking the moral high ground because they're repelled by a similar candidate who has an ultimately minor and partially manufactured flaw that their own supported candidate will ultimately support. Then there are people like Lessail who pretend that who you vote for doesn't matter and anyone arguing otherwise is implied to be somehow wrong (I bet he/she has a different opinion when it comes to the GOP). Edit: The thread should probably be locked for it's own safety (we just can't stop), and reopened after results from tonight start rolling in... Boon fucked around with this message at 21:11 on Mar 5, 2016 |
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lfield posted:WRT changing positions: what bothers me about Clinton isn't that she has changed her mind, which can be a great thing and a sign of intelligence. It's her lovely attitude about it. From what I've seen of her, she can't just admit she was wrong about, say, gay marriage - and then take the opportunity to thank the various equal rights campaigns and movements that actually put the work in to change people's minds. Instead she just flips her position and then acts like she's always been the best ally ever. It's condescending and insulting. Same sex marriage became a thing she could support and still get elected, so she did. It wasn't before. That's really all there is to it, and it's how politics works.
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Mar 5, 2016 21:08
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stinkles1112 posted:Hey guys it'd be pretty cool if this thread didn't get gas chambered like the last one Maybe we can lock the thread for a few hours? Calmer heads prevail, all that?
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lfield posted:WRT changing positions: what bothers me about Clinton isn't that she has changed her mind, which can be a great thing and a sign of intelligence. It's her lovely attitude about it. From what I've seen of her, she can't just admit she was wrong about, say, gay marriage - and then take the opportunity to thank the various equal rights campaigns and movements that actually put the work in to change people's minds. Instead she just flips her position and then acts like she's always been the best ally ever. It's condescending and insulting. We've learned from "flip-flopper" John Kerry that admitting you change your mind will lose you votes.
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Boon posted:Then you have someone like Cugel come along and say that they're taking the moral high ground because they're repelled by an ultimately minor and partially manufactured flaw that their own supported candidate will ultimately support. Vienna Circlejerk posted:Same sex marriage became a thing she could support and still get elected, so she did. It wasn't before. That's really all there is to it, and it's how politics works. Edit: Like was said above, it's not a matter of just the 180 on the issue—I truly cannot understand how it is controversial that people would like politicians to go out on a limb and fight for what is right. Cugel the Clever fucked around with this message at 21:13 on Mar 5, 2016 |
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So how hosed is the state of Louisiana after hurricane jindal?
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Vienna Circlejerk posted:Same sex marriage became a thing she could support and still get elected, so she did. It wasn't before. That's really all there is to it, and it's how politics works. Well yeah, exactly. She's a liar. But hey, politicians.
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Boon posted:It's stunning. When you take into account all that the next president will either do or even NOT do and the impact that it'll have both immediately and decades later. It's cool how the suggestion to leave the presidential vote part of the ballot empty while focusing only on the down ballot races wasn't derided
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Mar 5, 2016 21:13
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This is exactly why I banned primary chat from my version of last month's uspol.
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Lessail posted:Remember: vote but do not commit wrong-vote Voting third party is at best throwing away your vote and helping the other party at worst. Do what you want but don't act like it's taking the moral high road.
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Asproigerosis posted:So how hosed is the state of Louisiana after hurricane jindal? From what I read earlier itt, Pretty loving hosed.
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Asproigerosis posted:So how hosed is the state of Louisiana after hurricane jindal? I think if your state is facing the end of the public defender program and imminent release of imprisoned criminals because you can't afford to actually bring them to trial, the answer is "completely hammerfucked"
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Lessail posted:It's cool how the suggestion to leave the presidential vote part of the ballot empty while focusing only on the down ballot races wasn't derided What are you talking about? Not voting is stupid. It's literally not a good thing. I posted that Brookings study earlier, you should read it.
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You guys ever seen the south park episode with the giant poop and the giant douche? Basically what american politics is like lol.
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While all you slap fight something good happened Friday and it's making Heller look less likely to happen. quote:The Supreme Court on Friday temporarily blocked a Louisiana law that its opponents say would leave the state with only one abortion clinic. The court gave no reasons, though it did say that its order was “consistent with” one last June that blocked part of a Texas abortion law. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/05/us/politics/supreme-court-blocks-louisiana-abortion-law.html?_r=0
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Asproigerosis posted:So how hosed is the state of Louisiana after hurricane jindal? Extremely hosed. Like if Hurricane Katrina had lasted for 8 years straight hosed.
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cheese eats mouse posted:While all you slap fight something good happened Friday and it's making Heller look less likely to happen. If true, I would be incredibly glad.
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Boon posted:What are you talking about? Someone in the thread suggested leaving one choice empty and only caring about the others. This wasn't derided. Why wasn't it?
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cheese eats mouse posted:While all you slap fight something good happened Friday and it's making Heller look less likely to happen. I saw that yesterday, was pretty surprised. Though a supreme court stay is not a guarantee of a ruling.
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fishmech posted:Extremely hosed. Like if Hurricane Katrina had lasted for 8 years straight hosed.
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My next question is, what kind of stances will washington blowhards make when the inevitable Louisiana bailout comes up?
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Cugel the Clever posted:Or she could have, you know, fought for it. In the early 90s, HIV was a "gay disease" and people were openly talking about quarantines. lfield posted:Well yeah, exactly. She's a liar. But hey, politicians. Picking your battles really isn't the same thing as lying.
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Lessail posted:Someone in the thread suggested leaving one choice empty and only caring about the others. This wasn't derided. Why wasn't it? I just did, and then referenced you to my earlier post. So what exactly do you want?
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the whole "gently caress Clinton, if Bernie-San doesn't win I'm taking my ball and going home" pout-fest something Bernie has explicitly argued against? Isn't he encouraging his supporters to "start a revolution" by actively getting involved in politics and social movements regardless of whether he's the nominee or not? Isn't his slogan "not me, us" explicitly stating that this whole thing isn't supposed to be a stupid cult of personality based around one Vermont senator? That all being said, I really doubt this petulant whining will last very long outside of primary season once Trump and his troglodytic fans start going after Hillary. Focus will shift in an awful hurry once the actual presidential campaign gets going.
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Asproigerosis posted:So how hosed is the state of Louisiana after hurricane jindal? Hurricane Katrina is in awe of the damage caused by Jindal.
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It has been sunk by the deadweight of poors/minorities who use all the tax dollars, as evidenced by the need of a public defender system. This is a good thing!
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Boon posted:I just did, and then referenced you to my earlier post. So what exactly do you want? Ah ok. My bad.
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Rodenthar Drothman posted:I saw that yesterday, was pretty surprised. Though a supreme court stay is not a guarantee of a ruling. It makes me hopeful mostly because Bevin is starting to gently caress with PP here in Kentucky by threatening state funding of UofL. This could lead to a decent challenge against this dick head quote:University Hospital has informed Planned Parenthood of Indiana and Kentucky that it was cancelling an agreement to provide emergency care for abortion patients from the downtown Louisville clinic. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/05/us/politics/supreme-court-blocks-louisiana-abortion-law.html?_r=0 So yea gently caress you Bevin.
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:Voting third party is at best throwing away your vote and helping the other party at worst. Do what you want but don't act like it's taking the moral high road. So exactly what I said
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