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ALIE v ALIE2.0: The rumble in the.... I'm too tired to properly finish this with an awesome pun.
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Mar 5, 2016 11:18
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jfood posted:The melee in Tondeecee 
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Mar 5, 2016 11:32
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Gotta say I appreciated the surprise of possibly the only person (Clarke excepted) who definitely wouldn't turn on Lexa being the one to kill her in the end. Also, having been a little unsure about where the AI plot was going initially, "Wells?" and this have me totally on board with post-apocalyptic techno-mysticism.
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Clarke isn't a Nightblood, i'm assuming it's part and parcel of being the the Commander. Nano blood and the Implant.
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Mar 5, 2016 15:56
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Rocksicles posted:Clarke isn't a Nightblood, i'm assuming it's part and parcel of being the the Commander. Nano blood and the Implant. She ingested some of the nightblood from the azgeda queen's bodyguard lady, though who knows if it's possible to transfer in that way.
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Mar 5, 2016 16:03
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Clarke contracted nano-aids?
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Mar 5, 2016 16:35
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I got the impression that there's a Lt. Dax sort of thing going on with the commanders, where Lexa (the host) had a shared consciousness with the AI. Hence why Lexa was confident the new Commander would protect Clarke. I don't think Clarke is getting the chip.
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Mar 5, 2016 16:59
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohlHPpDnRFs&t=171s Lexa having to die pisses me off, but it's no one's fault, and it's absolutely amazing how the writers managed to handle one of the most interesting characters on the show having to leave. The death was pretty dumb, though, but she had to die one way or another. I'm a little worried that Clarke will stop being interesting at this point; like a lot of other character, she's been drifting around a bit, and Lexa was great for the character. We don't yet have any good idea of what the blood does nor how exactly it's passed on, right? ufarn fucked around with this message at 17:23 on Mar 5, 2016 |
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Mar 5, 2016 17:18
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ufarn posted:We don't yet have any good idea of what the blood does nor how exactly it's passed on, right? Beyond a shot of Becca injecting herself with some on the Polaris they haven't revealed too much I don't think. Seems like the nightbloods are born with it though?
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Mar 5, 2016 17:29
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PowerBeard posted:Clarke contracted nano-aids? Nanitis
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FiestaNinja posted:Beyond a shot of Becca injecting herself with some on the Polaris they haven't revealed too much I don't think. Seems like the nightbloods are born with it though?
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Mar 5, 2016 17:39
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ufarn posted:I'm a little worried that Clarke will stop being interesting at this point; like a lot of other character, she's been drifting around a bit, and Lexa was great for the character.
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Mar 5, 2016 18:31
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Clarke having to work with Murphy is going to be entertaining. They haven't really been paired together since early season 1 right?
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Mar 5, 2016 18:34
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Okay I think I have formulated My Opinion (as a bisexual dude) on the controversy, which I am announcing as such so everyone can skip over it if they like: Now firstly, I do think some of the people in this thread need to step back a bit. It's not frustrating to LGBT people because ~lolshipping~ (though I'm sure to many people that is a factor), it's a frustrating trope to keep seeing (and it IS pretty common) because setting aside creative vision and all that people just simply wanna see some characters in the same type of relationships as theirs be happy sometimes without it having to end tragically, like what happens with straight relationships in, yknow, almost every work of fiction. The 100 was/is regarded really well in LGBT circles for obvious reasons (queer characters in positions of power, a bi lead etc), so I think it's very understandable to feel a bit betrayed by the show especially due to it happening 1 scene after Clarke and Lexa consummated their relationship, even if just due to abject frustration at seeing the trope come up yet again. That being said, considering it's this show and the circumstances around it I do think I ultimately disagree with the hate, while, yet again, it's understandable. Their hand was forced in terms of having to end their relationship obviously, and considering it's The Goddamn 100 I think killing her was basically their only real option. I think it makes a weird situation for a writer to be in honestly (like many storytelling tropes), obviously nobody wants to use tropes that are not only overused but are also harmful to marginalized people, but if your ~Creative Vision~ requires X character to die (especially in a show like this one) then 
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Mar 5, 2016 18:52
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Error 404 posted:Clarke vs Jaha  I'm assuming the mysterious eigth nightblood at Lexa's coronation or something was the one the chip actually 'chose', but something happened (not compatible somehow?) they died, and Lexa was the runner-up. This, nine candidates but only 7 tattoos on Lexa's back. The same thing is going to happen only with Clarke ending up getting the chip because of the night blood she now carries thanks to the other girl dripping blood in her face.  Also, holy poo poo that episode 
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Mar 5, 2016 19:08
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Did we ever get an answer to whether Lexa was actually using her own blood for makeup? Because that poo poo's hosed up.
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Monicro posted:Okay I think I have formulated My Opinion (as a bisexual dude) on the controversy, which I am announcing as such so everyone can skip over it if they like: Speaking as a gay man, yeah it is a rather common trope but I don't feel particularly betrayed by it in this scenario. Like someone else said, with more representation, we're gonna get more gay people in more roles. Some of them will be heroes, villains, and martyrs, and specifically with the 100 being so entrenched in grimness and the consequences of actions, death is just a regular part of life on the surface. There's still plenty of representation in the show, it's not like they killed off their sole lesbian, and the show should get props for having their lead character be openly bisexual without any sort of drama associated with it. Yes, the timing is a little suspect with the whole gay sex trope leading to death, but it was used for maximum effect here with the limitations of an actress's availability. Unfortunately a large part of shipping and the horrific world of slash fiction is entrenched in the idea that gay relationships NEED to have happy endings, and that's why people are all up in arms because their otp or whatever just got destroyed.
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Mar 5, 2016 19:26
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I'm about 90% positive that Lexa doesn't get killed off--at least not yet-- if her actress weren't already starring in another show. Otherwise I think she joins the main cast. The writers took the best possible out of an unfortunate situation created by external forces.
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Mar 5, 2016 19:34
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So my theory is that it's likely that because of the chip, each commander gets all of the experience and memories of the previous ones making them excellent warriors/tacticians. We saw Lexa meditating before her and Clarke banged, and so it's possible there's a city of light 2.0 that she gets to talk to them all through. Alie 2.0 has to directly interface through humans, and therefore feels emotions like love , empathy, and anger making her superior to ALIE 1. I still can't figure out what 2.0's endgame is though.
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Rurea posted:So my theory is that it's likely that because of the chip, each commander gets all of the experience and memories of the previous ones making them excellent warriors/tacticians. We saw Lexa meditating before her and Clarke banged, and so it's possible there's a city of light 2.0 that she gets to talk to them all through. Alie 2.0 has to directly interface through humans, and therefore feels emotions like love , empathy, and anger making her superior to ALIE 1. I'm not sure that's necessarily the case. Remember that ALIE2.0 was a response to the first version being coldly inhuman and calculating ("Too many people? Why not nuke most of them?") and Becka was talking about it being different because it would learn and grow with humanity. I kind of think what's been happening is that the AI has been piggybacking on all the Commanders and learning what it 'means to be human' and whatever else, and this was Becka's intent from the beginning. If you can't simply program an AI to know right from wrong, then give it multiple human lifetimes to grow and learn about it for itself. Which is not to say that there might not be some knowledge transfer in the other direction, but that may not have been the original point. e: It was kind of hamfisted but I really liked the reveal that the Grounders call their leader Commander because when Becka reached the ground her flight suit had COMMANDER stenciled on it. WarLocke fucked around with this message at 19:52 on Mar 5, 2016 |
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No less Hamfisted than capital being called Polis, not because it is the Greek word for city or because it's derived from Annapolis, but because of Polaris
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You guys have a weird definition of "hamfisted". Also also... I'd love to watch a spinoff series telling the story of Commander Becka and how she established the grounder civilization/culture.
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hope and vaseline posted:Speaking as a gay man, yeah it is a rather common trope but I don't feel particularly betrayed by it in this scenario. Like someone else said, with more representation, we're gonna get more gay people in more roles. Some of them will be heroes, villains, and martyrs, and specifically with the 100 being so entrenched in grimness and the consequences of actions, death is just a regular part of life on the surface. There's still plenty of representation in the show, it's not like they killed off their sole lesbian, and the show should get props for having their lead character be openly bisexual without any sort of drama associated with it. Yes, the timing is a little suspect with the whole gay sex trope leading to death, but it was used for maximum effect here with the limitations of an actress's availability. what other lesbian is on the show? pretty sure Lexa was the only one. being on probation during this whole thing was killin me I tell you what haha. as a lesbian I think it's super lovely and gross to kill the lesbian less than five minutes after she had sex with the main character in the dumbest way possible. Lexa's death was projected like crazy but I thought for sure they would give her a send off worthy of her character, have her go down fighting for something she believed in, not rehash Tara from Buffy's lameass death. Lexa was a very important character to a lot of people. it's not often a lesbian gets to be an important badass warrior who is a leader of her people in popular media. this goes way beyond shipping, the wlw community was already burned and bitter from orphan black pulling a similar stunt. Jroth has alienated a huge part of his viewership(just look at how many Twitter followers he's lost in the past few days) so it will be interesting to see if they can recover from it. they're obviously worried or else they wouldn't have invited people to the filming of the finale where Clarke and Lexa reunite in the city of light to try and keep their lgbt fans watching
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Troposphere posted:as a lesbian I think it's super lovely and gross to kill the lesbian less than five minutes after she had sex with the main character in the dumbest way possible. Lexa's death was projected like crazy but I thought for sure they would give her a send off worthy of her character, have her go down fighting for something she believed in, not rehash Tara from Buffy's lameass death. Do you think the reaction from tumblr would have been better or worse if she died to Roan during their duel? Killed by a MAN also you guys still have Miller and his boyfriend. Miller owns.
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Do you think the reaction from tumblr would have been better or worse if she died to Roan during their duel? Killed by a MAN Miller and his boyfriend are not lesbians and I'm talking specifically about the wlw community I think the reaction would have been better because they wouldn't have pulled the oh here's your obligatory sex scene there are you happy now boom now she's dead bullshit
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Also you guys seemed to have missed the memo that it doesn't matter if tropes are individually justified in a work or not, the problem is they happen on such a wide scale
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The Iron Rose posted:Also you guys seemed to have missed the memo that it doesn't matter if tropes are individually justified in a work or not, the problem is they happen on such a wide scale yep jroth was even interviewed and he went oh I don't want to talk about that trope it didn't factor into our decision. maybe it should have, considering what a huge rehash and glaring example of the trope it was! 
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Mar 5, 2016 22:30
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As a lesbian I can confirm most lesbians are crazy people when it comes to television.
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Mar 5, 2016 22:47
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esperterra posted:As a lesbian I can confirm most lesbians are crazy people when it comes to television. this is true
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I'm just glad we got more time with Lexa at all. I was convinced she was going to die in the finale last year. I mean if there's anyone that didn't immediately know she was going to die the moment she got cast in a Walking Dead spinoff I'm not sure what show you've been watching the entire time. People don't go off in the woods and life happy lives of exile on this one though. We're lucky we got seven episodes to flesh out her character more and then got a neat ending that adds to the mythology of the show so much like the one they came up with here.
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The Iron Rose posted:Also you guys seemed to have missed the memo that it doesn't matter if tropes are individually justified in a work or not, the problem is they happen on such a wide scale Yea
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X-O posted:I'm just glad we got more time with Lexa at all. I was convinced she was going to die in the finale last year. I mean if there's anyone that didn't immediately know she was going to die the moment she got cast in a Walking Dead spinoff I'm not sure what show you've been watching the entire time. People don't go off in the woods and life happy lives of exile on this one though. We're lucky we got seven episodes to flesh out her character more and then got a neat ending that adds to the mythology of the show so much like the one they came up with here. One thing I wish they would start doing however is shoot entire seasons at once, like Netflix does for their exclusives, so they aren't forced to dramatically change direction or kill of characters mid-season when their actors sign on to other shows. The current method is pretty lovely imo. (It also inadvertently introduces spoilers for the audience at the "meta" level because once someone signs on to another show, you know they'll probably get killed off in the current one.)
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I went to a Mardi Gras party and after party last night... No one mentioned Lexa once, maybe the Aussie lesbians didn't get the memo about how angry they were supposed to be.
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I believe this show does shoot the majority of its episodes in one chunk because it's a mid season replacement and it has a shorter episode order. It's just that they only had her for a specific number of episodes due to the second season of Fear The Walking Dead.
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Monicro posted:Okay I think I have formulated My Opinion (as a bisexual dude) on the controversy, which I am announcing as such so everyone can skip over it if they like: I think people need to stop freaking out about things and grow tougher skin.
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enraged_camel posted:You guys have a weird definition of "hamfisted". 100% Ever since the show started I've been wondering how their culture/civilization has developed into what it is. Although its easy to believe a society can regress technologically after a nuclear war wipes out humanity, its not so easy to understand how a culture could be so radically different than the one which existed before said war. Grounders seems to have absolutely nothing in common with what used to be America.
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Dalael posted:I think people need to stop freaking out about things and grow tougher skin. 
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Mar 6, 2016 02:33
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I'm not very invested in this and I think most people in this aren't freaking out. Just you know, discussing the show and what they like and dislike.
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Troposphere posted:it's not often a lesbian gets to be an important badass warrior who is a leader of her people in popular media. But Clarke is still alive? I guess she's "just" a bisexual though. This is a weird conversation.
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