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cams
Mar 28, 2003


i want to give whoever made this money

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General Morden
Mar 3, 2013

GOTTA HAVE THAT PAX BISONICA

bhsman posted:

Complaints are fine, but it's often just regurgitating the same talking points that either a) nobody cares about, or b) hasn't really been everyone's take since the game was released. It's just more dumb posting that doesn't really help anything or is constructive in any way.

by your definition what is a helpful or constructive post

bhsman
Feb 10, 2008

by exmarx

General Morden posted:

by your definition what is a helpful or constructive post

Not presenting one's subjective opinions as fact, for starters? Pomp complains about the buttons being bad or the game moving at a glacial pace, but that doesn't seem to be the case for everyone? If you want to directly compare characters in this game to characters in a game with an entirely different system like Xrd or earlier iterations of SF, that is kind of missing the point of relative balance and - again - if that's a dealbreaker then maybe the game is Not For Them.

EDIT: And on top of everything else it's been the same 2-3 posters just parroting the same point or complaining how this isn't Guilty Gear. Nobody cares.

fadam
Apr 23, 2008

General Morden posted:

by your definition what is a helpful or constructive post

Someone linking me to a trainer I can use to unlock all these costumes.

Pomp
Apr 3, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

fadam posted:

What new information exactly? What part of jump-ins or Chun Li's jab changed from beta until now?

i picked up chun li, and then i tried to use it to antiair a cross up, instead of 4hk (why is this so bad), 5lk (good but hard to beat crossups with), or j.hk (good, but requires me to have reactions faster than a snail). just hit jab and everyone gets slapped down. It's super braindead and goofy, and it's note even the best antiair jab in the game.

are you always like this

signalnoise
Mar 7, 2008

i was told my old av was distracting
Could be that people are upset not only that this game Isn't For Them but also that it's the one that people are going to be playing, so if they want to play actual people they have to play games they don't like

:O

bhsman
Feb 10, 2008

by exmarx

signalnoise posted:

Could be that people are upset not only that this game Isn't For Them but also that it's the one that people are going to be playing, so if they want to play actual people they have to play games they don't like

:O

Definitely, but it's not like there isn't a community for other games with good netcode like Xrd (at least as of the PC release). Either way, griping doesn't really accomplish anything.

fadam
Apr 23, 2008

Pomp posted:

i picked up chun li, and then i tried to use it to antiair a cross up, instead of 4hk (why is this so bad), 5lk (good but hard to beat crossups with), or j.hk (good, but requires me to have reactions faster than a snail). just hit jab and everyone gets slapped down. It's super braindead and goofy, and it's note even the best antiair jab in the game.

are you always like this

Why did you make a big, sweeping proclamation about jump-ins then without actually testing to see if it's true?

I mean, I know the answer already, I just want to see what you say.

General Morden
Mar 3, 2013

GOTTA HAVE THAT PAX BISONICA

fadam posted:

Someone linking me to a trainer I can use to unlock all these costumes.

yea it's gonna be the $14.99 dlc you have to pay capcom to unlock the color palettes pal

teh_Broseph
Oct 21, 2010

THE LAST METROID IS IN
CATTIVITY. THE GALAXY
IS AT PEACE...
Lipstick Apathy

Booyah- posted:

no, all posts about everything should be unfunny and praising, even if there are obvious flaws

Bear with me I'm gonna go full bold edgelord here, but how fun would it be if instead we just made a bunch of hilarious dunks on <whatever thread I'm in> even if the thing is obvs 2 cool for school. Have you heard the latest Pelican album, cause ohemgeessss I can't believe people are so fking dumb and buying the new Tswift instead.

Sorry I'm away from my computer and can't actually play to have something worth a drat to comment on. Except gently caress Mr. Bison's superswag purple being locked behind a really obnoxious survival mode. Release the patch with the fight money store to buy it already!

General Morden
Mar 3, 2013

GOTTA HAVE THAT PAX BISONICA

teh_Broseph posted:

Bear with me I'm gonna go full bold edgelord here, but how fun would it be if instead we just made a bunch of hilarious dunks on <whatever thread I'm in> even if the thing is obvs 2 cool for school. Have you heard the latest Pelican album, cause ohemgeessss I can't believe people are so fking dumb and buying the new Tswift instead.

Sorry I'm away from my computer and can't actually play to have something worth a drat to comment on. Except gently caress Mr. Bison's superswag purple being locked behind a really obnoxious survival mode. Release the patch with the fight money store to buy it already!

put this post in the op

frame it

Pomp
Apr 3, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

fadam posted:

Why did you make a big, sweeping proclamation about jump-ins then without actually testing to see if it's true?

I mean, I know the answer already, I just want to see what you say.

why are you so confrontational about a wrong post :chillout:

fadam
Apr 23, 2008

Pomp posted:

why are you so confrontational about a wrong post :chillout:

Your posting is my version of your SFV.

Srice
Sep 11, 2011

signalnoise posted:

Could be that people are upset not only that this game Isn't For Them but also that it's the one that people are going to be playing, so if they want to play actual people they have to play games they don't like

:O

The Games subforum would be greatly improved if people were to avoid playing games they don't like, I feel.

Pomp
Apr 3, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

fadam posted:

Your posting is my version of your SFV.

then why are you acting like my posts could do some damage

fadam
Apr 23, 2008

Pomp posted:

then why are you acting like my posts could do some damage

Good zing.

Fereydun
May 9, 2008

everyone play marvel instead of this game

actually dont but heres some vergil so you can get your daily supplement

https://a.pomf.cat/xkwgwr.webm

OxMan
May 13, 2006

COME SEE
GRAVE DIGGER
LIVE AT MONSTER TRUCK JAM 2KXX



Holy poo poo no one cares about anyone's negative opinions about the game like who is gonna sit there reading your poo poo and go "well i was enjoying this but now that THIS poster thinks it's slow and doesn't like the ease of AA I too will not enjoy this game any longer." Like expressing an opinion is fine but fishing for compliments on your astute fighting videogame observations is the dumbest poo poo and clogs up the thread for everyone enjoying it and using the awesome Good Poster resources to improve. LMAO @ that one dude that hates all fighting games and has picked the sf v thread to air his grievances though.

Goodpart
Jan 9, 2004

quarter circle forward punch
quarter circle forward punch
quarter circle forward punch
rip

Jmcrofts posted:

But all of a sudden the threat of a jab is so much that there's no reason to ever jump.

For a ton of characters, jab isn't even close to their best anti-air either.

Day 1, people say AA normals aren't great. Now, people say that AA normals still aren't great, but jabs work. That's not a positive development. MKX is not a game you should be aping when it comes to core mechanics.

There are obviously stronger buttons to hit when a person jumps but jabs are among the most reliable. SF's metagame becomes inherently risk-averse as it evolves so I wouldn't be surprised to see jabs become the standard. The hitboxes are more generous compared to dedicated AA normals which tend to require a surgical strike to stop even the most brainless jumps, they're faster, recover far quicker, sometimes have more active frames, and hit both sides.

signalnoise posted:

Could be that people are upset not only that this game Isn't For Them but also that it's the one that people are going to be playing, so if they want to play actual people they have to play games they don't like

:O

this is me

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




so wait should i hit st lp instead of srk? is that what people are saying?

Dracula Factory
Sep 7, 2007


I like Zangief my favorite part of Zangief is slamming them on they are heads. I need to start buffering a 360 everytime I jump because I'm not landing enough air SPDs.

Goodpart
Jan 9, 2004

quarter circle forward punch
quarter circle forward punch
quarter circle forward punch
rip

Real hurthling! posted:

so wait should i hit st lp instead of srk? is that what people are saying?
Not everyone has a DP

interrodactyl
Nov 8, 2011

you have no dignity
tabs you loving liar dante was in that video too

General Morden
Mar 3, 2013

GOTTA HAVE THAT PAX BISONICA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyInR6Km6Ic

puyo puyo is the best fighting game

rednecked_crake
Mar 17, 2012

srsly who wants to play this lamer?

Dracula Factory posted:

I like Zangief my favorite part of Zangief is slamming them on they are heads. I need to start buffering a 360 everytime I jump because I'm not landing enough air SPDs.

Landing a non-ex air spd is really fun.

https://a.pomf.cat/heuhys.webm

bhsman
Feb 10, 2008

by exmarx

OxMan posted:

LMAO @ that one dude that hates all fighting games and has picked the sf v thread to air his grievances though.

I actually liked Zand's introspective post, but it bears pointing out that it was a post about liking games in spite of their flaws. :v: I like you, Zand, but c'mon.

Fereydun
May 9, 2008

interrodactyl posted:

tabs you loving liar dante was in that video too
they're identical twins how do you expect me to tell the difference

bhsman
Feb 10, 2008

by exmarx

Fereydun posted:

they're identical twins how do you expect me to tell the difference

One of them has a dumb haircut in DMC3 and the other one is Vergil.

OxMan
May 13, 2006

COME SEE
GRAVE DIGGER
LIVE AT MONSTER TRUCK JAM 2KXX



Dracula Factory posted:

I like Zangief my favorite part of Zangief is slamming them on they are heads. I need to start buffering a 360 everytime I jump because I'm not landing enough air SPDs.

Dude AND that fucken jab is so good too crossup while I'm standing? No way jose get back in front of me so i can jab you twice more then whiff my spd. I wish i could time my AA better though, i only nail people with st. HK on a read and can't get cr. HP to hit anything other than empty neutral jumps on wakeup, f+HP hits more AA than it. I've had some luck with far away jumps with lariat but it mostly sees usage with lp, lk or on cammys and karins and chuns who have attacks that bring them forward into it. I've never nailed an airborne ken using MK they will stuff it every time

croutonZA
Jan 5, 2011

bhsman posted:

One of them has a dumb haircut in DMC3 and the other one is Vergil.

Don't they have the same haircut just one's hair is slicked back?

rednecked_crake
Mar 17, 2012

srsly who wants to play this lamer?
Lobbies are broke again, it's actually really easy to rank up with gief in FT1's because people aren't used to all my running bear reset gimmicks.



Fix the drat lobbies capcom I hate ranked.

edit: after I beat the last guy, the game logged me in as him. What the gently caress man, I like this game, but the technical issues are getting too much.

rednecked_crake fucked around with this message at 04:17 on Mar 6, 2016

teagone
Jun 10, 2003

That was pretty intense, huh?

signalnoise posted:

Could be that people are upset not only that this game Isn't For Them but also that it's the one that people are going to be playing, so if they want to play actual people they have to play games they don't like

:O

Tough poo poo? Bitching about the game won't magically make it any better.

AnonSpore
Jan 19, 2012

"I didn't see the part where he develops as a character so I guess he never developed as a character"

teagone posted:

Tough poo poo? Bitching about the game won't magically make it any better.

Ironically proven true by SFxT's beta run through release

teagone
Jun 10, 2003

That was pretty intense, huh?

AnonSpore posted:

Ironically proven true by SFxT's beta run through release

I've never played SFxT so I wouldn't know :)

Ybrik
Jan 1, 2008



Could someone give me some advice when dealing with wakeup dps? I have some safe jump setups but I feel whenever I get a knockdown and I don't have time to set one up I feel like it's just a guess on my part.

Sade
Aug 3, 2009

Can't touch this.
No really, you can't

Ybrik posted:

Could someone give me some advice when dealing with wakeup dps? I have some safe jump setups but I feel whenever I get a knockdown and I don't have time to set one up I feel like it's just a guess on my part.

If you're playing someone who makes it clear that they're an idiot masher (especially in ranked), assume they're going to wakeup DP every time. When you knock them down, go for a crossup - the more ambiguous the better - or just sit riiiight outside of throw range (this part is really easy) but just inside your jab range and block. Don't do anything even remotely fancy against mashers. Play solid and react.

Revelant
Jul 27, 2007

Ask me about my male escort services. 30% Discounts for Goons.

croutonZA posted:

What's your fighter id thing? I'm in South Africa and I'd be up for bringing out my scrubby mika that breaks under any sort of pressure. ID is salad_

CFN ID is also Revelant

Trykt
Jul 30, 2000

Still training..

Ybrik posted:

Could someone give me some advice when dealing with wakeup dps? I have some safe jump setups but I feel whenever I get a knockdown and I don't have time to set one up I feel like it's just a guess on my part.

It sure is a guess! But it's heavily in your favor as long as you have your max damage punish combos on deck for when you successfully bait a dp. IMO don't be scared of them (i.e. meaty more often than not) cause they almost never lead into big damage in this game. You could eat 3 reversal DPs and still come out even or better by landing 1 good punish combo on a baited one.

Jmcrofts
Jan 7, 2008

just chillin' in the club
Lipstick Apathy

Ybrik posted:

Could someone give me some advice when dealing with wakeup dps? I have some safe jump setups but I feel whenever I get a knockdown and I don't have time to set one up I feel like it's just a guess on my part.

Got a vid you might find helpful:


https://youtu.be/wFBBAA4wAKw

Safe jumps aren't as big of a thing in this game because of the quick getups

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Microwaves Mom
Nov 8, 2015

by zen death robot
Vega will never win a Major. Hes terrible.

E:
gently caress me disconnected from the server on hard survival 49.

E2:
TO further elaborate why I think Vega is bad:

1. He has no wakeup game. If you can get him into a corner or knock him down he literally has two choices. Block or pray a light standing kick connects.

There are no safe ex moves for him as far as I am aware. Any pro gamer or any skilled player will be able to apply pressure to a vega and if hes in the corner its game over.



2. His v trigger isn't great.

The v reverseal sends you backwards in a flip Either short or long as far as I am aware there is no escape with this. If you're in a corner you go nowhere, or it just puts you in that corner. Please correct me if I'm wrong but the v reversal has no means of retaliation with it.

The v trigger itself doesnt go through projectiles and can be easily blocked you have to hope to poke into it then ultra which isn't bad but other players can do better with theirs. I think he has one of the weakest vtriggers in the game.

Granted I'm new and I don't know a lot but playing him a lot this is the impressions I have of Vega.

Great poke, great footsy, but terrible defense when you're knocked down / into a corner. One mistake and you're hosed.

Microwaves Mom fucked around with this message at 08:32 on Mar 6, 2016

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