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apatheticman: May 13, 2003; Wedge Regret

Helsing posted:

For the first 30 or 40 seconds I didn't see what was so bad about this advertisement but then it turned into some kind of bizarre presentation on graphic design Who is this aimed at? Do voters really want to know, in this level of detail, how the sausege gets made when it comes to crafting a new logo?

Also, can you imagine what kind of internal polling must have motivated this? You know a party's brand was in the tank when they actually put out an advertisement taking like three full minutes to emphasize how totally new and different everything about the party's leadership and image is going to be. This is normally the kind of scrambling you see from a corporation that just accidentally killed a bunch of people with poison meat or something.

When you pay an organization thousands even hundreds of thousands of dollars they make this type of bullshit to make you think they actually put work behind this.

Most likely its from the design company

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# ? May 22, 2024 18:16

Excelsiortothemax: Sep 9, 2006

They got nothing on Mr Sparkle.

There is a name you can trust.

http://youtu.be/4WvdRA1kzf8

# ? Mar 5, 2016 20:52

Femtosecond: Aug 2, 2003

hahahah

quote:

No power from B.C. without pipeline to west coast, says Notley

British Columbia may have surplus renewable power to sell to Alberta, but Premier Rachel Notley said Friday her government won�t be buying it unless it can get an oil pipeline built to the coast.

�We�re not necessarily going to have that much demand for that much electricity if we can�t find someone to sell our product to,� Notley told reporters in a teleconference from Fort McMurray.

�We have to get our product to other markets.�

Alberta�s premier said neighbouring provinces that want to talk about new power lines crossing provincial borders �need to understand that is tied to inter-jurisdictional product distribution infrastructure� � like pipelines to carry bitumen to tidewater.

�That just has to happen,� she said. �It�s not separate.�

Notley�s comments come one day after her energy minister, Marg McCuaig-Boyd, lowered the boom in a succinct statement on B.C.�s proposal to sell electricity to Alberta.

�We�ll do what�s best for Albertans and Alberta�s economy,� McCuaig-Boyd said. �We won�t be buying more power if we can�t get our resources to market.�

On Friday, B.C. Energy Minister Bill Bennett said he didn�t have a problem with Notley and her minister linking a potential power deal to pipeline support.

Alberta has been pushing to get new oil pipelines built to the east and west coasts, to help unlock higher prices for its crude by accessing new export markets.

�I completely understand and have absolutely no problem with the province of Alberta linking the two,� Bennett said in an interview.

B.C. wants to ensure any new heavy oil pipelines are built to the highest standards, which is why it has five conditions in place that will ensure protection of land, air and sea, he said.

Alberta and B.C. share those values, the minister added.

�We in B.C. are not opposed to other Canadians getting their products to the West Coast at all,� Bennett said. �I think we can work through this and find a way to do business together.�

In recent weeks, B.C. Premier Christy Clark has been pitching the idea of selling power to Alberta as its eastern neighbour phases out its coal-fired power plants.

British Columbia has a surplus of electricity right now and 98 per cent of it is considered renewable power.

BC Hydro could help augment Alberta�s new plan to ramp up renewable energy � reaching 30 per cent by 2030 � that would otherwise be powered by intermittent power sources such as wind and solar, Bennett said.

There is already a small intertie line between the two provinces, running through the Crowsnest Pass, that could be expanded to carry more electricity.

However, to get more significant capacity, the provinces would need a second intertie, possibly in the northeast.

Bennett said it might make sense for B.C. to split the cost with Alberta and the federal government, although Notley wasn�t keen on the plan Friday.

British Columbia NDP MLA Adrian Dix said the issue of selling surplus power to Alberta is clearly tied to the ongoing construction of the massive Site C dam on the Peace River in the province�s northeast.

The $8.8-billion development, which will provide 1,100 megawatts of capacity and about 5,100 gigawatt hours of energy each year, is expected to be completed in 2024.

The Clark government is desperately searching for customers to justify the project, Dix said.

�Suddenly, the idea of Alberta came up,� said the MLA for Vancouver-Kingsway. �The Site C dam is kind of a caravan in search of an oasis.�

In Alberta, Notley�s position on the pipeline-for-power trade off won support from opposition parties.

�It has to be a two-way street,� said Wildrose critic Prasad Panda. �It has to be win-win for all.�

Panda said he was pleased to see Notley exhibit some �new-found backbone,� saying she should show it more often.

Progressive Conservative Leader Ric McIver said it�s important for Alberta to take a firm stand and to remind British Columbians that protectionism is unhealthy for both provinces.

�In general political terms, Alberta shouldn�t allow other provinces � to treat us like a doormat,� he said.

Alberta Party Leader Greg Clark said he supports the NDP government�s new tactic, although it must also elevate the national conversation about the need for energy pipelines.

�Alberta needs to use all of the tools in its toolbox,� Clark said. �If this was a good-cop, bad-cop strategy, fantastic.�

Notley�s � push back� against B.C. is the first sign of a shift from softer diplomacy to becoming more aggressive towards other provinces in its campaign to get new pipelines built, said political analyst David Taras at Mount Royal University.

�I am sure it is going to get Christy Clark�s full attention,� Taras said Friday. �It�s very dramatic, actually.�

# ? Mar 5, 2016 20:53

EvilJoven: Mar 18, 2005; NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?; Fun Shoe

More door to door canvasing going on. I got to look PC candidate Audrey Gordon in the eye and tell her that while I don't have any reason to dislike her personally I despise her party and everything they stand for.

The look on her face was less shocked but more more angry than when I told Rana Bokhari that P3s are nothing but an underhanded way for career bureaucrats to funnel money into the pockets of the rich while pretending to be an effective government.

Now all I have left to do is to tell Wab Kinew that they have my vote as long as they load Selinger and his accomplices into a catapult and launch them full speed into the side of the MTS Centre.

# ? Mar 5, 2016 20:58

Hexigrammus: May 22, 2006; Cheech Wizard stories are clean, wholesome, reflective truths that go great with the marijuana munchies and a blow job.

apatheticman posted:

When you pay an organization thousands even hundreds of thousands of dollars they make this type of bullshit to make you think they actually put work behind this.

Most likely its from the design company

Makes me smile to think they're taking the PC's money for this.

They're going to have to find a way of de-creeping Patrick Brown's presentation. Even with his audio muted he still makes my skin crawl.

# ? Mar 5, 2016 22:01

Tochiazuma: Feb 16, 2007

Hexigrammus posted:

They're going to have to find a way of de-creeping Patrick Brown's presentation. Even with his audio muted he still makes my skin crawl.

I immediately thought of

# ? Mar 5, 2016 22:23

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

loving lol. DIPPER shitheads, defend this

# ? Mar 5, 2016 22:24

Helsing: Aug 23, 2003; DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU JOE BIDEN

Hey man, Alberta shouldn�t allow other allow other provinces to treat them like a doormat.

# ? Mar 5, 2016 22:29

Juul-Whip: Mar 10, 2008

The only reason we need to sell all that hydro is because Clark is a worthless leader who is in bed with the construction lobby.

# ? Mar 5, 2016 22:45

Heavy neutrino: Sep 16, 2007; You made a fine post for yourself. ...For a casualry, I suppose.

Don't worry I'm sure the feds will set up a six-month exploratory committee on how to promote positive inter-provincial dialogue. We'll have this slapfight resolved before Trudeau's third term.

# ? Mar 5, 2016 23:32

Furnaceface: Oct 21, 2004

Heavy neutrino posted:

Don't worry I'm sure the feds will set up a six-month exploratory committee on how to promote positive inter-provincial dialogue. We'll have this slapfight resolved before Trudeau's third term.

"We are going to move forward with our plan to move forward into looking into the issues at hand. Things that matter most to Canadians."

# ? Mar 6, 2016 02:19

Hexigrammus: May 22, 2006; Cheech Wizard stories are clean, wholesome, reflective truths that go great with the marijuana munchies and a blow job.

Femtosecond posted:

hahahah

Oh my, that is precious, isn't it?

I wonder why the power isn't being sold into its traditional U.S. market. Did someone notice that the U.S. distributors tend to renege on their bills when prices spike due to messes with their deregulation schemes?

The Great Socialist W.A.C. Bennett had this idea where excess capacity was used to keep rates down and encourage industries to develop around low energy costs. Guess that would only work if we let the captains of industry bring in TFWs.

# ? Mar 6, 2016 02:43

HackensackBackpack: Aug 20, 2007; Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?

Furnaceface posted:

"We are going to move forward with our plan to move forward into looking into the issues at hand. Things that matter most to Canadians."

"Canadians may possibly consider thinking about becoming interested in these issues, but it requires further study."

# ? Mar 6, 2016 04:57

Karatela: Sep 11, 2001; Clickzorz!!!; Grimey Drawer

Hexigrammus posted:

Oh my, that is precious, isn't it?

I wonder why the power isn't being sold into its traditional U.S. market. Did someone notice that the U.S. distributors tend to renege on their bills when prices spike due to messes with their deregulation schemes?

The Great Socialist W.A.C. Bennett had this idea where excess capacity was used to keep rates down and encourage industries to develop around low energy costs. Guess that would only work if we let the captains of industry bring in TFWs.

Maybe we could work out some sort of national program to handle the building of pipelines and transmission lines and the like, to make us look less like 10 kids in the back of the van with a prime minister driving and gritting his teeth, and more like a country of adults. You know, where everyone gets stuff that helps them built.

I'm not sure Canada has ever had a program like it, you know, to handle energy-related stuff at the national level. Well, regardless, I know that if anyone can get it going, it would be Trudeau.

# ? Mar 6, 2016 16:31

EvilJoven: Mar 18, 2005; NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?; Fun Shoe

Maybe we should keep our garbage tar sands in the ground where it belongs instead of heavily subsidizing extraction and transportation while making the populace pay to try to mitigate the long term consequences of allowing the oil industry to skull gently caress our country.

# ? Mar 6, 2016 17:54

Gus Hobbleton: Dec 30, 2003; Can't post for 3 years!

b-b-b-b-b-but the poor OIL COMPANIES!!!!

# ? Mar 6, 2016 18:28

vyelkin: Jan 2, 2011

Gus Hobbleton posted:

b-b-b-b-b-but the poor OIL COMPANIES!!!!

Those poor plucky little oil companies, can't compete in a free market without government assistance.

# ? Mar 6, 2016 18:38

MikeSevigny: Aug 6, 2002; Habs 2006: Cristobal Persuasion

It sounds like it could actually be a good deal for Alberta regardless of the pipeline situation but even the NDP happily puts the oil patch first so oh well.

The funny part is Alberta probably would have at least one of their pipelines started by now if they'd just played ball with Christy and kicked her a couple dollars to help her balance the budget. That's all she ever wanted, it's not like she's some kind of environmental ideologue. They'd have just run hard on the "Christy says YES to jobs" line and the damage to the party would have been minimal by next election. But the oil companies had to have it all.

Likewise, Christy might have been able to make a deal to bail out her completely botched LNG plans if she and her dumbass finance minister hadn't spent the last few months making fun of Alberta's budget, which impressed no-one, and made everyone there even more furious at her.

# ? Mar 6, 2016 18:44

AegisP: Oct 5, 2008

Are we really going to have yet another softwood lumber fight? CBC seems to be warning about how the Softwood Lumber Agreement of 2006 is probably not going to be renewed like the Harper Government had kept doing, and that the year of no litigation grace period is halfway through.

# ? Mar 6, 2016 19:04

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

Ah the timber industry. As awful or worse than the loving film industry.

# ? Mar 6, 2016 19:05

ZShakespeare: Jul 20, 2003; The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose!

Maybe Albertans can burn all that dilbit to keep them warm in the winter.

# ? Mar 6, 2016 19:13

ZShakespeare: Jul 20, 2003; The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose!

MikeSevigny posted:

the damage to the party would have been minimal by next election. But the oil companies had to have it all.

Keeping in mind that there is absolutely nothing that the BCLibs could do that would make them look worse than the BCNDP. Nothing.

Especially now that the ANDP have made a point of what everyone with a pair of neurons to rub together already knew: to that Orange is just as ready to submit to corporate capture as Red and Blue are.

# ? Mar 6, 2016 19:19

Baronjutter: Dec 31, 2007; "Tiny Trains"

Corporate capture? All you have to do is build them a deck or send them on a small vacation and they'll give you what ever regulations or licenses you want. The NDP are open to corruption from small business and working Canadians unlike the elitist other parties.

# ? Mar 6, 2016 19:57

Do it ironically: Jul 13, 2010; by Pragmatica

ZShakespeare posted:

Maybe Albertans can burn all that dilbit to keep them warm in the winter.

actually alberta could burn natural gas for power for decades there's so much of it here, and it would create jobs but can't do that got to let big coal take all the money and pollute the enviroment

# ? Mar 6, 2016 20:21

jsoh: Mar 24, 2007; O Muhammad, I seek your intercession with my Lord for the return of my eyesight

alberta does burn natural gas for power and also is shutting down all the coal fired plants?

# ? Mar 6, 2016 20:28

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

Turn Alberta into a real life setting for The Road. Wall it off from BC.

# ? Mar 6, 2016 20:34

Albino Squirrel: Apr 25, 2003; Miosis more like meiosis

ZShakespeare posted:

Maybe Albertans can burn all that dilbit to keep them warm in the winter.

Beaten, but something like 90% of home heating is natural gas here. Very little is electrical.

We need the hydro to meet green electricity targets, but there's no shortage of heat.

# ? Mar 6, 2016 22:08

ZShakespeare: Jul 20, 2003; The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose!

Yeah keep burning that poo poo. that'll work out for you.

# ? Mar 6, 2016 22:27

BallsFalls: Oct 18, 2013

Cultural Imperial posted:

Turn Alberta into a real life setting for The Road. Wall it off from BC.

i think albertans would like to be walled off from the rest of canada as well

as long as the pipeline can run through the wall

# ? Mar 6, 2016 22:41

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/world/fifth-estate-mms-1.3474474

Autism activists in Regina are feeding their kids diluted bleach lmao

Holy gently caress you people are loving stupid

# ? Mar 6, 2016 23:44

JawKnee: Mar 24, 2007; You'll take the ride to leave this town along that yellow line

what the gently caress

# ? Mar 6, 2016 23:45

Xyretire: May 22, 2003; Lickin' the Gun.

Cultural Imperial posted:

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/world/fifth-estate-mms-1.3474474

Autism activists in Regina are feeding their kids diluted bleach lmao

Holy gently caress you people are loving stupid

If you read the article it says this has been going on for a long time. And it's quite wide spread.

# ? Mar 6, 2016 23:47

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

quote:

For $35, you can buy a membership to the Genesis II Church that Humble says will allow you to claim religious exemption from vaccines and X-rays.

loving lol

Well I guess that makes it ok. It's for religious reasons. Kind like how this thread was advocating messenger men and dreamcatchers

# ? Mar 6, 2016 23:48

Risky Bisquick: Jan 18, 2008; PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.; Buglord

Call CAS and let them know parents are feeding bleach to children.

You don't need to be religious to opt out of vaccines, you fill a form and say it's a conscious decision.

# ? Mar 6, 2016 23:50

Albino Squirrel: Apr 25, 2003; Miosis more like meiosis

Cultural Imperial posted:

loving lol

Well I guess that makes it ok. It's for religious reasons. Kind like how this thread was advocating messenger men and dreamcatchers

Dreamcatchers, unlike bleach, are rarely fatal.

Although the article states it's usually to be consumed rectally, which I suppose wouldn't go well for a dreamcatcher either.

# ? Mar 7, 2016 00:08

Pinterest Mom: Jun 9, 2009

"Together, we can change our province. And this time, it'll be for the better."

:raise:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNOBsZ8-avA

No word on the practicality of the steps to achieve that change.

# ? Mar 7, 2016 00:19

Postess with the Mostest: Apr 4, 2007; Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

Pinterest Mom posted:

No word on the practicality of the steps to achieve that change.

Election is two years away, don't wear out the edge of your seat. I can't believe he's on the right side of climate change, good stuff.

http://www.cp24.com/mobile/news/pc-leader-patrick-brown-says-he-supports-carbon-pricing-1.2805409

# ? Mar 7, 2016 00:35

Femtosecond: Aug 2, 2003

Pretty interesting that Brown came out in favour of carbon pricing, but only as a revenue neutral carbon tax. I could see this being the angle that conservative parties switch to now that climate change denial seems to be becoming a political liability.

quote:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ontario-pcs-brown-attacks-wynnes-liberals-during-party-convention/article29041737/

Ontario Progressive Conservative Patrick Brown attacked the Wynne Liberals Saturday night, and portrayed himself as a pragmatic Conservative who believes in climate change, including putting a price on carbon, unions, and falling in-love with whomever you want.

Mr. Brown called Kathleen Wynne�s cap-and-trade plan a �cash grab that is simply another slush fund.�

He said his party has to do something about climate change, which he described as �man made� and a �threat.�

�And that �something� includes putting a price on carbon,� he said. �But it cannot be a cash grab. And it must be revenue neutral with corresponding tax cuts for individuals and businesses.�

He said, too, that it must be �subject to independent oversight.�

Mr. Brown has been criticized by his opponents, however, for being weak on policy. His comments Saturday on cap-and-trade are the most comprehensive he has been so far.

He was speaking to more than 1,700 delegates at the PC Party convention in Ottawa. It is his first convention as leader, and he is trying to put his stamp on the party and rebrand it as modern. He also wants to showcase his leadership style, one that is energetic and inclusive.

He won the leadership by attracting new members to the PC Party, including many from a number of different ethnic communities.

Mr. Brown and his team had not been sure how delegates would react to his cap-and-trade stance. It was a bit of a risk as not all PCs agree on the issue. In fact, there was only tepid applause and one person in the audience shouted �no� when he started to speak on it.

In a scrum with reporters later, Mr. Brown explained why he took this stance on climate change. �I wanted to speak from my heart tonight and talk about the challenges the Progressive Conservatives need to address.�

He said there is �significant support within our membership and certainly in our caucus for taking that direction.� He said, too, that he and his caucus had a discussion about climate change: �There was a united party stand, practically universal on the position I am taking.�

Ottawa Liberal MPP Marie-France Lalonde called Mr. Brown�s climate change stance a �flip-flop.� She said when he was an MP he had supported the Harper Conservatives who did not move on the file.

...

# ? Mar 7, 2016 00:44

Juul-Whip: Mar 10, 2008

A Honduran environmental activist was assassinated last week. She was fighting Canadian energy and mining companies, among other interests.

quote:

In the early hours of Thursday morning, assassins broke into the home of an indigenous Lenca community leader in western Honduras and killed her.

Berta C�ceres was 47 years old and was one of the best-known and most respected leaders in Honduras. Her life had been threatened countless times, she had been harassed by the national police, and she had been physically attacked on several occasions. Now, she has paid the ultimate price for opposing a military dictatorship that isn�t afraid of international censure.

The current government of Honduras � the product of a 2009 military coup � has singled out Canada as one of its closest friends. Canada worked hard in the aftermath of the coup to help the new regime rebuild its reputation, and Canada has consistently downplayed the government�s role in the human rights crisis in Honduras that has made it the most dangerous country � with the highest homicide rate � in the world.

International human rights champion :shillary:

Clinton tacitly backed the 2009 coup in Honduras btw

Juul-Whip fucked around with this message at 01:17 on Mar 7, 2016

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# ? May 22, 2024 18:16

Hexigrammus: May 22, 2006; Cheech Wizard stories are clean, wholesome, reflective truths that go great with the marijuana munchies and a blow job.

Xyretire posted:

If you read the article it says this has been going on for a long time. And it's quite wide spread.

At least this time it's diluted and rectal. That isn't always the case.

# ? Mar 7, 2016 01:39

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