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I like Mark Hamill's performances as the Joker but really? Rocksteady's answer to people maybe being a little sick of the Joker is to kill him off and then immediately bring him back multiplied by 5 and one of his incarnations is imaginary so you can't even punch him in the face? I don't like bait-and-switch tactics like this at all. I didn't like it in "Star Trek: Into Darkness". I didn't like it in "Spectre". And I don't like it here. I get that it's hard to keep a secret in the age of the Internet, but lying to your audience in order to conceal that you're just telling the same story again? It leaves a bad taste in the mouth. Oh well. I guess we'll see where it leads.
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Joker blood turning people into the Joker is stupid
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Mar 6, 2016 23:14
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Ra's blood was never presented as definitely offering a cure. Batman was also exposed to much more of Joker's blood than others.
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Mar 6, 2016 23:21
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Nihilarian posted:Joker blood turning people into the Joker is stupid
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Mar 6, 2016 23:21
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JT Jag posted:Its a comic book type of stupid though, I'll allow it for now You'll allow it period. None of us have any say in this matter. I, personally, have been a Batman fan since I was very very small. I nearly had my name legally changed to Batman when I was 5. I love everything Batman, including the Joker, and I'm pretty sick of Joker. I'd love to see another villain of his get an honest-to-god game all to themselves at this level, and not have Joker sweep in to try to take over the attention. I was really digging Scarecrow being the big bad of this game, cuz I think that he could have been a solid replacement without feeling like we're dropping to lesser people. Ah well. Hopefully Scarecrow still gets some good stuff to go down.
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Mar 6, 2016 23:24
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So I just finished the game and... huh. That is an ending. All in all, I think it was 40 hours well spent, although a couple of the colletibles managed to almost drive me crazy. Definitely a better game than Origins and I actually quite liked how the story turned out. I'm not a comics fan, mind. All in call, this LP can't update fast enough.
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Mar 7, 2016 00:01
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I honestly don't really like Joker as a character and I don't really get why I like Hamill and Ledger's jokers anyway. It's a "bees should not scientifically be able to fly (buzzzzzz there went a bee)" kind of thing. My secret hope against hope for the next star wars movie is that there's outtakes where luke skywalker just starts talking like the joker for no reason, and maybe rey reacts in character to it.
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Mar 7, 2016 00:08
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I feel that people's reverence for the Joker is getting out of hand and actually tainting portrayals of the character, as evidence by things like the Joker just HAVING to be in this game and HAVING to bring Mark out of retirement a THIRD TIME, as well as the stories from the Suicide Squad set about Jared Leto's stupid loving shenanigans that would get any other actor playing any other role loving fired.
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Mar 7, 2016 00:13
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All this hate... Guess I'm one of the few that could NEVER get tired of Mark's Joker voice, and any excuse to get it back into action is fine by me. Now I'm sad since (barring the killing joke, if it ever comes out), this is the last of Mark's Joker 
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Mar 7, 2016 00:19
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Waffleman_ posted:I feel that people's reverence for the Joker is getting out of hand and actually tainting portrayals of the character, as evidence by things like the Joker just HAVING to be in this game and HAVING to bring Mark out of retirement a THIRD TIME, as well as the stories from the Suicide Squad set about Jared Leto's stupid loving shenanigans that would get any other actor playing any other role loving fired. That's just Jared Leto being a loving shithead, which he's reportedly been before on other sets and concert tours. People blaming his behavior on being Joker just like the myth of it loving with people, like why people think it killed Heath Ledger rather than him having, you know, a drug problem. That said, I agree 100%. I'm not even mad about Joker being in the game - him being a fear gas hallucination that Bats keeps having is fine and makes perfect sense. But the loving Joker blood thing? That can take a hike. It's one more deeply unnecessary twist in a game chock full of unnecessary twists. And I'm tired of Joker being the main threat and sidelining all of Batman's other great villains.
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Mar 7, 2016 00:19
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Acne Rain posted:I honestly don't really like Joker as a character and I don't really get why I like Hamill and Ledger's jokers anyway. It's a "bees should not scientifically be able to fly (buzzzzzz there went a bee)" kind of thing. Because Hamill's Joker is oddly charismatic despite loving him some murder and Ledger's Joker is... I dunno. I guess in the case of Ledger's Joker it's easier to see his whole "People are garbage and I'm trying to prove that" ideology that sometimes comes up with the Joker (re: The Killing Joke), whereas regular comics Joker is the kind of guy who sometimes just kills people if he finds it funny or not. 
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Mar 7, 2016 00:20
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All in all, I rather enjoyed this game's take on handling Joker. I do agree that including him wasn't necessary, and I do think that if Arkham Origins never happened, then maybe it wouldn't seem so bad that he shows up as a main plot thread in YET ANOTHER Arkham game, but oh well. Still, the game does some fun stuff with his appearance, and I'm looking forward to seeing more of this LP.
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Mar 7, 2016 01:39
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Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease is a human prion disorder, meaning that the Joker Infection is Mad Clown Disease. I'm betting the writers couldn't avoid allowing themselves that little pun.
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Mar 7, 2016 01:50
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So...Batman's a member of the Insane Clown Posse?
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Kurieg posted:Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease is a human prion disorder, meaning that the Joker Infection is Mad Clown Disease. I'm betting the writers couldn't avoid allowing themselves that little pun. If I'm not mistaken, I'm fairly certain that term is actually used at one point.
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Mar 7, 2016 03:01
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CJacobs posted:If only we had The Jokester instead of these guys I'd much rather have the Trickster instead: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSNJ2Sl0VmU.
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Mar 7, 2016 04:06
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Man I just realized that 'Joker's crazy is actually inside his blood' is a real comic book science leap.
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Mar 7, 2016 04:39
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Quiet Python posted:I like Mark Hamill's performances as the Joker but really? Rocksteady's answer to people maybe being a little sick of the Joker is to kill him off and then immediately bring him back multiplied by 5 and one of his incarnations is imaginary so you can't even punch him in the face? Thread title lives up to name.
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Mar 7, 2016 04:54
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caught up. Was hoping this wasn't as dumb as it sounds but it was. I should be all over this kind of silver age comic book level stupid of joker blood making people all jokery but I'm not happy with it. (does this work with other people? Should batman give people bat blood and make a bunch of batmans?)
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Mar 7, 2016 05:35
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Acne Rain posted:I should be all over this kind of silver age comic book level stupid of joker blood making people all jokery but I'm not happy with it. Axe Cop is in this game, isn't he?
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Mar 7, 2016 05:36
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Acne Rain posted:Should batman give people bat blood and make a bunch of batmans? Isn't this literally how Terry McGinnis becomes Batman?
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Mar 7, 2016 05:52
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Isn't this literally how Terry McGinnis becomes Batman? you shut your whore mouth warren mcginnis is his real dad and terry deserves at least that bit of happiness gently caress that was the dumbest thing and i hate that amanda waller is the one responsible
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Mar 7, 2016 06:03
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Isn't this literally how Terry McGinnis becomes Batman? Not exactly. He was just a regular kid in Beyond but a season finale (wasn't renewed yet so it could have been the series finale) of JLU felt the need to tie them genetically via a dumb 'the future needs a batman too' Waller plot. The end of JLU would have marked the end of the DCAU after 10+ years so the creators wanted to tie the whole thing together iirc. That revelation definitely received a mix reception at the time too. hard counter fucked around with this message at 08:51 on Mar 7, 2016 |
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Mar 7, 2016 06:15
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Edminster posted:you shut your whore mouth warren mcginnis is his real dad and terry deserves at least that bit of happiness Ohhhh, that explains why Amanda Waller was doing things in Vol. 3 of Batman Beyond the 2013 comic! ARGH! ...I hate that woman. Not because of her physique, or skin, or anything like that. No, because she's a bigger schemer and manipulator than Beyond's Bruce Wayne can be, and about five times less likable. Albu-quirky Guy posted:I'd much rather have the Trickster instead: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSNJ2Sl0VmU. I'm so drat glad he reprised that role too. I can smell them in your poooo-cket!
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Mar 7, 2016 06:26
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In a sea of strong performances (Barry's three dads spring to mind), Mark Hamill's two guest spots are the strongest.
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Mar 7, 2016 08:19
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Probably the best part of that whole ordeal is that a loving Serial Killer refused to play ball with Waller because what she was doing was so profoundly hosed up. Even if Bruce was the gene donor he wasn't Terry's father, and that's what matters.
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I am Jack's obsession with Batman. Yeah, unnecessary plot twist to add into a game that is already trying my patience with the previous mystery. Man, so far this really feels like the pre-production team handed in the perfect Scarecrow game brief, and someone just started messing with it. "BUT BUT BUT it needs a mystery enemy who is deeply aware of Batman's weaknesses but for some reason has not briefed his men on them before the game!" "OH AND where's the Joker? What do you mean you killed him off? Bring him back! Everyone knows that Batman's only real villain is the Joker, we accidentally got rid of the sexual tension between Batman and Robin so you can't kill off his other Not-Boyfriend!" "ALSO I checked the notes on your previous games, and it looks like Oracle hasn't been kidnapped yet. What gives? She's only a girl in a wheelchair, she's practically begging for it." Maybe it'll win me over later, but right now it'll be an uphill battle.
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Mar 7, 2016 18:44
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Didn't Dini wind up leaving the creative team before Arkham Knight was developed? Might be why the wheels came off.
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Mar 7, 2016 19:08
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Yvonmukluk posted:Didn't Dini wind up leaving the creative team before Arkham Knight was developed? Might be why the wheels came off. It's not like the writing in Arkham Asylum and Arkham City was all that great regardless of Dini's input.
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CuwiKhons posted:It's not like the writing in Arkham Asylum and Arkham City was all that great regardless of Dini's input. I think those two were more internally consistent. I mean, I suppose Asylum was originally supposed to be a standalone game that could more-or-less 'fit' into the DC canon such as it stood back in what, 2009? Back when Steph was Batgirl, Cass was Blackbat, and the Batfamily seemed to be in a pretty good shape. Before the dark times. Before the New 52. Is it me or did Oracle seem to get a lot younger from Asylum & City? She seems a lot closer to how she appeared in Origins.
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Mar 7, 2016 21:01
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I don't think you ever met her in Asylum and City, it was all voicecomm.
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Oracle looks almost exactly like a friend of mine from college, I keep doing double-takes. I guess that's credit to facial modeling technology.
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anilEhilated posted:I don't think you ever met her in Asylum and City, it was all voicecomm. Well she sounded older in those games, at least to my ears.
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I have no strong feelings towards the Joker plot twist, butOmobono posted:Kidnapping the sane carrier guy, though? Not cool, Batman, not cool. You could let the dude out, it's not like he'd disappear to avoid the blood testing bat-syringes. this had me surprised. With comic book writing I am never quite sure what they're going for, is Batman now slipping into super-villain territory, possibly because he had a bad case of Joker even before getting fear-gassed, or are we supposed to think it's Batman making the hard moral choices compared to a small-minded Gordon?
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Detaining an innocent guy against his will is absolutely hosed up and out of character, and it boils down to sloppy writing, I think. Kinda like how Bruce would ideally refrain from killing people, which he's totally not doing in this game (these games), totally, these dozens of guys with broken legs/necks/backs and hours away from a working hospital are totally going to survive, that's not murder at all, no sir. Also how these tanks are all unmanned drones, so endangering the lives/property of those around him by blowing the gently caress out of the streets is totally okay, it totally counts, no guns, no killing, everything's fine. It's all part of Batman's real superpower: "gently caress it."
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Mar 7, 2016 22:26
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John Liver posted:It's all part of Batman's real superpower: "gently caress it I'm rich." Fixed it for you.
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John Liver posted:Detaining an innocent guy against his will is absolutely hosed up and out of character, and it boils down to sloppy writing, I think. I think this is probably right. I've been increasingly unimpressed with the writing in this series. Asylum had a stupid plot but at least everyone was acting in character and made for some fun lines and cool fights. City had a slightly dumber plot that required several characters to act stupid and wildly out of character for brief moments (the mr. freeze fight for instance). Origins had an even worse plot that had many heavily contrived sequences entirely designed to force the Joker in front of the camera as much as possible, and here we've already had a) Batman holding people against their will for vaguely defined research purposes b) A falling-out between Batman and Gordon made possible only by both of them acting like they're in junior high c) Our only female ally helplessly kidnapped offscreen d) Joker shoved back in front of the camera AGAIN I could probably go on but that's plenty. The game is very stylish and the mechanics look fun, but I'm getting less and less invested in the plot with each new cutscene.
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Night10194 posted:Fixed it for you.
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Mzbundifund posted:I think this is probably right. I've been increasingly unimpressed with the writing in this series. Asylum had a stupid plot but at least everyone was acting in character and made for some fun lines and cool fights. City had a slightly dumber plot that required several characters to act stupid and wildly out of character for brief moments (the mr. freeze fight for instance). Origins had an even worse plot that had many heavily contrived sequences entirely designed to force the Joker in front of the camera as much as possible, and here we've already had I expect the reason Batman has Adams imprisoned is similar to the reason the military in Left 4 Dead has a "detain/shoot TMs on sight" policy: he suspects that Adams is actually still infected, but simply showing no outward symptoms. Perhaps as soon as he's released, Adams starts his Master Plan. But yeah, as far as anyone who is not Batman can see, a billionaire vigilante has kidnapped and unlawfully detained a schoolteacher because he's "suspiciously law-abiding." I will be okay with this if we get another Mr. Freeze-style boss fight out of him (that one was awesome, I would like to see how they could turn Kindly Schoolteacher into something like that, it'd be hilarious), I will not be okay with this if he actually is just immune.
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The billionaire has also kidnapped and unlawfully detained three other people. Just because they're turning into the Joker doesn't mean you can keep them in Bat-Jail! Wouldn't this be one of those situations where you tie them up and then leave them hanging from a lamppost outside a hospital or something?
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