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Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

MysticalMachineGun posted:

Why is it only this morning that I learned that Savva was a former adviser to Howard and Costello. No wonder she's gotten a NewsCorp job and probably hates Abbott with a passion. As much as Abbott is a turd clinging on to the toilet of political relevance a lot of this seems like a beat up.
https://twitter.com/MarkDiStef/status/706644986977062912

Savva gets a lot of inside info and gossip because of her background, but you're right that anything she says should be taken with a huge grain of salt.

Doctor Spaceman fucked around with this message at 02:22 on Mar 7, 2016

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tithin
Nov 14, 2003


[Grandmaster Tactician]



Just read bolts latest offering in the hun and I'm dying of laughter.

It was about 10 paragraphs of sucking off Abbott and it ended beautifully.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
Abbott had the guts to challenge the Left — especially the media — on global warming and the carbon tax. Turnbull, though, had given in as Opposition leader to the ABC and Labor line. Abbott also had the guts to challenge the Left on the boats, vowing to stop them. Turnbull seems to lack such toughness or clarity of purpose.

God Praise Boss Tweed!

Urcher
Jun 16, 2006


Milky Moor posted:

So, what can I do? I could go on Newstart, sure. However, that is basically Government-sanctioned degradation and my initial stint on that around six years ago was enough for me to resolve to never go on it again - particularly with how much worse it is now. I could accept one of those really basic jobs, if they were to ever contact me back, and brace myself for my home life becoming a stressful morass because my partner likes going on weekend trips and things like that. Or, I can stay unemployed and deal with the stress of not contributing to anything and the shame of having people think you're a lazy piece of poo poo and the mind-numbing ennui of being at home, doing housework for every single day.

You've got free time and don't need the money - consider volunteer work. 3 days a week doing office administration work for a local charity (or political party) would help them immensely, stop you from being bored, leave your weekends and evenings free, and still leave you with a couple of days a week to search for paid employment.

Alternately start making stuff. Painting, writing, programming, music. The details don't matter. Making stuff is cool and the more you do it the better you'll get.

open24hours
Jan 7, 2001

Bragging about taking on the Australian left is like bragging about kicking a puppy.

tithin
Nov 14, 2003


[Grandmaster Tactician]



It's the penultimate line that really slew me

Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010


Ignore my posts!
I'm aggressively wrong about everything!

Urcher posted:

Alternately start making stuff. Painting, writing, programming, music. The details don't matter. Making stuff is cool and the more you do it the better you'll get.

Probably the one thing I'm most proud of through my years of unemployment (that thankfully ended just last month and I'm now pretty happy) is the blog I started about a subject I had a lot of interest in. It kept me busy on days with nothing to do, I got to talk about a subject I know a lot about, and it helped me get the job I'm in now.

Sure as poo poo more fulfilling and useful than the Cert II in IT my JSA dumped me in that I could've completed in my sleep, and yet still never got because they lost half my assessment submissions.

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005

Doctor Spaceman posted:

https://twitter.com/MarkDiStef/status/706644986977062912

Savva gets a lot of inside info and gossip because of her background, but you're right that anything she says should be taken with a huge grain of salt.

Is Australia unique in how incestuous the media and politics are or is this a widespread thing? Honestly every article Savva writes should end with "Niki Savva is a former Liberal staffer". Or at least on her politics articles.

open24hours
Jan 7, 2001

It's like that everywhere.

Milkfred E. Moore
Aug 27, 2006

'It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.'

Urcher posted:

Alternately start making stuff. Painting, writing, programming, music. The details don't matter. Making stuff is cool and the more you do it the better you'll get.

I used to do a whole ton of writing.

I should get back into it.

Skellybones
May 31, 2011




Fun Shoe

Milky Moor posted:

I used to do a whole ton of writing.

I should get back into it.

We've seen your writing. :mrwhite:

Amoeba102
Jan 22, 2010

hooman
Oct 11, 2007

This guy seems legit.
Fun Shoe

Close the thread, the best post for this month has now been made.

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005


:five:

Graic Gabtar
Dec 19, 2014

squat my posts

Big Daddy Keynes posted:

ok fuckface,
first: how is it that buying 200million dollar planes to drop hundreds of 80k bombs halfway across the world never questioned but feeding the poor in our nation is seen as an unforgivable sin
Poors would weigh about 80kg. Could be a bit of a win/win on cost savings here.

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005

Abbott can't stop being a three word slogan opposition robot

https://twitter.com/ABCNews24/status/706694975174549505

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

:pusheen:

Mr Chips
Jun 27, 2007
Whose arse do I have to blow smoke up to get rid of this baby?
Add this to Costello-was-a-bad-economic-manager.txt

AFR posted:

If not for Bill Clinton we could have taxed the internet, says Peter Costello

by Dominic White

Governments around the world missed a golden opportunity to raise "unbelievable amounts of money" by putting a tax on access to the internet when it was in its infancy, according to former Treasurer Peter Costello.

Speaking to Fairfax Media in his new role as chairman of free-to-air broadcaster Nine Entertainment Co, Mr Costello recalled sitting in his Parliamentary office in the 1990s in the early days of the web, and pondering the vast future revenue such a levy could generate.

"I was Treasurer at the time. It would have been the easiest thing in the world, by the way, for governments around the world to have put a charge on the internet. It wouldn't have had to be very big but it would have raised a motza," said Mr Costello.

"Governments would all have to agree together to do it, and the OECD was looking it at the time. It would have been hard to police but once (former US President) BIll Clinton came out and said the internet would be free that was it. Once the Americans said the internet was going to be free, the rest of the world was going to follow suit."

Mr Costello, Australia's longest-serving treasurer, who went on to introduce the goods and services tax with then-prime minister John Howard, said an internet access tax "could have been a fraction of a cent a year and it would have raised government's unbelievable amounts of money".

The free-to-air industry has lobbied the Turnbull government hard to scrap its $153 million-a-year licence fees that it argues are outdated, especially as they give an an unfair advantage to larger overseas rivals such as Google and Facebook, which invest far less in Australian content.

"The biggest corporations in the world have access to a medium - the internet - where they are completely untaxed," said Mr Costello. "Nobody is running outside saying its unfair that Mr Google and Mr Apple and Mr iTunes are all delivering product through an untaxed medium and yet what they to tax the medium through which free-to-air television is delivered."

"When there was limited spectrum and media had to be delivered by spectrum I think there was a case for licensing that media but now you can deliver product online and it is free I can't see why you would charge fees for the spectrum for one part of media which competes against other areas where you don't charge."

Free-to-air networks such as Nine point out to advertisers and investors that their biggest shows and sporting events are still the best places reach mass audiences at one time.

But Mr Costello questioned whether TV gets bigger mass audiences than Google and Facebook in one day. "The NRL final (one Channel Nine) would but on a day-to-day basis am I looking at (the TV) all the time? I tell you what, I am looking at Google all day, and I know my kids are looking at Facebook all day."

As revealed by Fairfax Media Communications Minister Mitch Fifield received advice from government officials in January recommending that the free-to-air TV industry be given relief from its annual licence fees.

The news boosted the networks hopes of an election year dividend although the Minister, who has made clear he is sympathetic to the networks on the issue, has yet to make a submission to the May budget and will need approval from the current Treasurer Scott Morrison.

Read more: http://www.afr.com/business/media-a...0#ixzz42BmjCHrX
The man's an imbecile. We already 'tax the internet' with the GST when customers pay for connections, and also via company profits on ISPs and content companies. Allowing big tech companies to exploit transfer pricing to avoid local taxes is the problem here, not a failure to 'tax the internet'. The comparison to RF spectrum licensing fees is also specious, as Facebook etc most definitely do pay for the fibre out of their datacentres to IXes.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
In a statement released on Monday afternoon, the former prime minister said "the best response to this book is in the objective record of the Abbott government". He cited stopping the boats, abolishing the carbon and mining taxes, and committing to a second Sydney airport as examples of his government's achievements. Australia was kept safe and progress was made on "budget repair", he added.

1. International crime
2. Internationally backwards
3. State government project, not federal
4. What?

open24hours
Jan 7, 2001

No doubt he has to keep telling himself that to hold back the suicidal urges. Being unquestionably the worst Prime Minister in living memory and perhaps the worst ever can't be easy.

Mr Chips
Jun 27, 2007
Whose arse do I have to blow smoke up to get rid of this baby?

Lid posted:

and progress was made on "budget repair", he added.


4. What?
Maybe the Temporary Budget Repair Levy. Someone with a taxable income of $200k would've paid an extra $400 in tax under it.

starkebn
May 18, 2004

"Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"

Mr Chips posted:

Add this to Costello-was-a-bad-economic-manager.txt

The man's an imbecile. We already 'tax the internet' with the GST when customers pay for connections, and also via company profits on ISPs and content companies. Allowing big tech companies to exploit transfer pricing to avoid local taxes is the problem here, not a failure to 'tax the internet'. The comparison to RF spectrum licensing fees is also specious, as Facebook etc most definitely do pay for the fibre out of their datacentres to IXes.

He's the head of channel 9, this is just transparent "stop making us pay a licence every year"

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

open24hours posted:

No doubt he has to keep telling himself that to hold back the suicidal urges. Being unquestionably the worst Prime Minister in living memory and perhaps the worst ever can't be easy.

It's him or Billy McMahon and Billy's biggest crime was being as dumb as rocks and birthing Julian.

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop
Never believe anything until it's been officially denied by the Arsetralian:

quote:

Abbott rejects wrecker claim BUSINESS SPECTATOR MARCH 5, 2016 3:38PM Paul Kelly Editor-At-Large

Abbott rejects wrecker claim

Amid mounting alarm in the Liberal Party about Tony Abbott’s aggressiv­e defence of his legacy, the former prime minister has sent a message of assurance to Liberal MPs and supporters worried that the government’s election campaign will be derailed by disunity. His message came before a warning yesterday by Malcolm Turnbull that he would “set the record­ straight” when he believed Mr Abbott had misconstrued the facts — a clear sign that the Prime Minister is prepared to contest the Abbott legacy campaign.

The Abbott message is as follows: “I intend to defend the legacy­ of the Abbott government and, as a former prime minister, I will speak out in defending that legacy. “I will speak in the partyroom on issues where members have a right to put their views. However, plainly, I believe that there is a vital obligation upon us as Liberals to win the coming election campaign. Whatever might be my concerns about the Turnbull government, they pale in comparison with the prospect of a Shorten Labor government.”

The meaning is obvious. Mr Abbott will be disciplined during the campaign. He will not sabo­tage the Turnbull government campaign. It is a critical assurance. It comes at the end of a week when Coalition MPs have become alarmed that policy issues are ­dividing along Turnbull-Abbott lines. Several Liberals privatel­y say the party must avoid any repeat of Labor’s 2010 election campaign, when open tension between Julia Gillard and Kevin Rudd was a key factor in Labor losing­ majority government. Concern within the Coalition followed Mr Abbott’s 4000-word defence of his economic record, his partyroom intervention calling for more spending restraint and leaving negative gearing alone, and his frontal attack on the Turnbull government’s defence white paper on the grounds that it was delaying the start date for the ­introduction of new submarines from Mr Abbott’s preference as prime minister. Mr Turnbull said yesterday that the high-profile backbencher was entitled to “speak his mind” but he needed to exercise “his own judgment about his comments. He made some remarks during the week about submarines which were commented on, and in fact contradicted, by the Chief of the Defence Force and the secretary of the Defence Department,” Mr Turnbull said on the NSW central coast. “The simple reality is this: the expert advice to the Australian government on the submarine program and as to its timing has been consistent since 2013 — you take the word of Dennis Richardson, the secretary of the Defence Department, you take the word of the Chief of the Defence Force — so that is a fact. “I respect Tony’s right to speak his mind and he should continue to do so, but it’s very important that, as Prime Minister, I set the record straight.”

Mr Abbott’s sister Christine Forster on Sky News last night dismissed the possibility of a second Abbott prime ministership.

“He doesn’t think there’s any chance, surely, that the party will go back to him,’’ she said. “Why would he? You know, he’s a very intelligent man ... I don’t think we’d be stupid enough to make the mistake that they (Labor) did when they reinstated Rudd, to go back to the future.’’ Finance Minister Mathias Cormann earlier insisted that Mr ­Abbott’s destabilisation of Mr Turnbull’s leadership had not reached Kevin Rudd-style propor­tions “at this stage”, although­ “some issues” remain unresolved following last year’s Liberal leadership crisis Mr Abbott told The Australian this week he was “flabbergasted” by an apparent decision by the new Liberal leadership to delay the operation of the next-­generation submarine fleet, ­angering Liberals. Some MPs ­accused Mr Abbott of a “full-frontal’’ assault on the Prime Minister.

Mr Turnbull told parliament the Australian Federal Police were investigating the leaking of documents from the Abbott-era draft white paper to The ­Australian.

Senator Cormann, the deputy leader of the government in the Senate, said he accepted Mr ­Abbott’s word that he was not responsibl­e for an “incredibly reckless” and “absolutely deplorable” leak of sensitive national ­security information. “I would have preferred if Tony had chosen not to comment publicly, but he has,” Senator Cormann told Sky. “We are where we are; we move on. Tony Abbott is no Kevin Rudd, so you don’t see the same (destabilisation) at this stage. I don’t expect that we would ever be like the Labor Party; we are a very united team. Yes, I mean, obviously there are some issues that are still being worked through in the wake of the leadership transition … but to compare it with the battles between­ Julia Gillard and Kevin Rudd would not be right.”

Bill Shorten seized on “division and dysfunction’’ in a government that was “at war with itself’’.

“We see leaks from the highest security cabinet committee of the government; we see Liberals calling the police in to investigate Liberals,” the Opposition Leader said. “We see great division and ­dysfunction at the heart of the government.”

Frontbencher Christopher Pyne said only a “handful of people­” had access to the draft defenc­e white paper, but he “would not immediately assume” that Mr ­Abbott was the leaker.

:munch:

Subtext above: Stop leaking damnit Tony! Oh Tony doesn't leak btw! Also what sort of a pillock leaks about a minor change in dates that were aspirational at best anyway? What a hill to die on! My schadenfreude receptors demand he actually be charged by the AFP but I guess you can't have everything.

Futuresight
Oct 11, 2012

IT'S ALL TURNED TO SHIT!
I wonder if anyone has told Mr Abbott that campaigning to defend your own legacy means you have a poo poo legacy.

Bogan King
Jan 21, 2013

I'm not racist, I'm mates with Bangladesh, the guy who sells me kebabs. No, I don't know his real name.

Higsian posted:

I wonder if anyone has told Mr Abbott that campaigning to defend your own legacy means you have a poo poo legacy.

What do you mean by "stand on your own merits"?

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

Asked "How do you know a guy likes you?," a Year 8 replied: "He still wants to talk to you after you suck him off."

:allears:

http://www.abc.net.au/religion/articles/2016/03/07/4420147.htm

Milkfred E. Moore
Aug 27, 2006

'It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.'

SynthOrange posted:

Asked "How do you know a guy likes you?," a Year 8 replied: "He still wants to talk to you after you suck him off."

:allears:

http://www.abc.net.au/religion/articles/2016/03/07/4420147.htm

blah blah i'm sure the increasing ease of getting access to pornography of extreme sex acts and niche sexual fetishes is not having any kind of negative effect on children blah blah

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop
Blaming pornography for the sexualisation of children is to ignore almost the entirety of the main stream media and advertisers since the fifties. The online component of images via phones is certainly a new pressure point but boys have been bullying girls into sex acts since forever.

http://www.womensforumaustralia.com/significant-issues/premature-sexualisation-of-children

Would have been nice if the article actually touched on any of the above.

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

SynthOrange posted:

Asked "How do you know a guy likes you?," a Year 8 replied: "He still wants to talk to you after you suck him off."

:allears:

http://www.abc.net.au/religion/articles/2016/03/07/4420147.htm

Jesus Christ

Skellybones
May 31, 2011




Fun Shoe

Cartoon posted:

Blaming pornography for the sexualisation of children is to ignore almost the entirety of the main stream media and advertisers since the fifties. The online component of images via phones is certainly a new pressure point but boys have been bullying girls into sex acts since forever.

http://www.womensforumaustralia.com/significant-issues/premature-sexualisation-of-children

Would have been nice if the article actually touched on any of the above.



Don't touch any of the above thanks.

Graic Gabtar
Dec 19, 2014

squat my posts

SynthOrange posted:

Asked "How do you know a guy likes you?," a Year 8 replied: "He still wants to talk to you after you suck him off."

:allears:

http://www.abc.net.au/religion/articles/2016/03/07/4420147.htm

Yeah, there's nothing great about this for anyone.

These social pressures have always existed but technology has taken it to a whole new level. Educate your kids while you loving can.

Milkfred E. Moore
Aug 27, 2006

'It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.'

Cartoon posted:

Blaming pornography for the sexualisation of children is to ignore almost the entirety of the main stream media and advertisers since the fifties. The online component of images via phones is certainly a new pressure point but boys have been bullying girls into sex acts since forever.

http://www.womensforumaustralia.com/significant-issues/premature-sexualisation-of-children

Would have been nice if the article actually touched on any of the above.

Children never had access to - let's see what I can think of off the top of my head - fetish tumblrs, Clips4Sale, Fetlife, streaming porn sites depicting increasingly extreme and degrading acts, 'lifestylers'...

I know we all like to say 'nothing has changed' when it comes to children and sex. But it has. If you think the 'mainstream media' and 'advertisers' is what has young boys saying and doing "acts of violence and degradation towards women", and teaching them "male dominance and female submissiveness", and teaching girls that they have to list basic poo poo as "fetishes" to get boys to pay attention then, well, let's just say you're really not up to date on what the general Internet considers normal and how pervasive certain ideas have come throughout areas of the Internet where young people are going to explore sex.

Milkfred E. Moore
Aug 27, 2006

'It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.'
I don't know where the gently caress I'd even begin if I was going to, say, teach a sex ed. class these days, because kids don't just know about sex - they know about BDSM, they know about extreme fetishes, at least one is probably a hardcore furry. They know about sex, but the sex they know about isn't anything approaching normal.

Futuresight
Oct 11, 2012

IT'S ALL TURNED TO SHIT!
I'd like to say it would all be fine if sex education kept up with the world kids are actually facing, but I'm not sure we've ever had that at any point in history so I'm just guessing.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

SynthOrange posted:

Asked "How do you know a guy likes you?," a Year 8 replied: "He still wants to talk to you after you suck him off."

:allears:

http://www.abc.net.au/religion/articles/2016/03/07/4420147.htm

Melinda Tankard-Reist is an infamous antisex prolife second wave feminist who also happens to be an evangelical Christian and been rejected by every feminist group in Australia essentially.

Make of it what you will.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
Giving Sorrow Words: Women’s Stories of Grief After Abortion (Duffy & Snellgrove, 2000), Defiant Birth: Women Who Resist Medical Eugenics (Spinifex Press, 2006), Getting Real: Challenging the Sexualisation of Girls (Spinifex Press, 2009) and, with Abigail Bray, Big Porn Inc: Exposing the Harms of the Global Pornography Industry (Spinifex Press, 2011).

Bogan King
Jan 21, 2013

I'm not racist, I'm mates with Bangladesh, the guy who sells me kebabs. No, I don't know his real name.

Lid posted:

Melinda Tankard-Reist is an infamous antisex prolife second wave feminist who also happens to be an evangelical Christian and been rejected by every feminist group in Australia essentially.

Make of it what you will.

I'd believe that this was a strawman MTR created to push her agenda well before I believed it was a real thing from planet Earth.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
https://twitter.com/vanOnselenP/status/706591880608247808

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Pickled Tink
Apr 28, 2012

Have you heard about First Dog? It's a very good comic I just love.

Also, wear your bike helmets kids. I copped several blows to the head but my helmet left me totally unscathed.



Finally you should check out First Dog as it's a good comic I like it very much.
Fun Shoe
It has come to my attention that my recent posting quality has deviated drastically from that which is expected and tolerated within this thread. In order to redress the wrongs I have perpetrated upon this threads unsuspecting populace, I hereby present the latest First Dog. Please accept it with my apologies.

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