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Endman posted:Hmm... reminds me of a certain submarine contract... They are all to busy building canoes at ASC to worry about the subs......
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Jesus some of the engagement with imbeciles and overall lovely posting in these past few pages has been complete normality sadly.. In some real news of a different twist, the war in Syria has seen some of the most peaceful times over the last 28 hours, the most peaceful during the ceasefire and also the most calm that many regions have seen in the last 5 years. http://syria.liveuamap.com/ Here is a resource which indicates global activities of many definitions from most regions of the world, it shows the relative peace that is transpiring throughout Syria, in ceasefire terms. Though it may look like chaos if you're not informed of the situation on the ground, normally the nation is alight with symbols of destruction and death each and every day. On a lighter note DickSmiths has started finally introducing proper sales and price reductions on their products. I picked up a bunch of cables including HDMI's and a converter for over 50% off. This was in Melbourne at Moonee Ponds but it seems they are finally reducing prices besides the 10% off poo poo. I don't know anymore.
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Jumpingmanjim posted:I love the way Liberty Cat the Catallaxy Files reject is getting owned by a guy named Big Daddy Keynes btw. quality rap and quality econ in one go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0P6coCFM6o libertariancat still wont answer me tho. never encountered an aus libertarian before, its exciting. we would need to deploy 660 drones at once to take on the Indonesian military, once you take in downtime we would need a drone inventory similar to the united states, but instead of relatively cheap preds they would be as expensive as a comparable fighter DRONES AREN'T CHEAP FUCKFACE. however lets use the cheapest modernish fighter in the world the qf-17 and ignore the logistical problems with getting parts from our bffl putin (engines and probably some avionics) unit cost: about 30mil usd (~40mil aud) give a readiness rate of about 2/3 (probably unrealistic given training requirements and the previously mentioned crappy russian engines) thats 40 billion without counting all of the fancy pants bullshit that isnt counted in the unit cost and converting them into drones. so its twice as expensive as the current buy of f-35s or its ~3 years of the entire dhs budget or to put it in terms you may understand. 10 billion fedoras, enough to issue to everyone on earth and stop population growth. all this for something that (by nature of drones) is really vulnerable to EW and would get absolutely wrecked in an actual war (operation bombing cousin omar isnt a real war btw) (the cheapest fighter we could logistically support is probably the gripen and that would raise the cost like 20%) if drones worked like you said they do then the usa would use them way more than they do because they dont care about cost so much, just losing pilots. ps: give this a read http://theconversation.com/down-and-out-and-on-the-dole-why-the-newstart-allowance-needs-a-raise-9231 there are real health effects to poverty and these act as a barrier to employment would you hire someone who looked like hammered poo poo and who didnt have any clothes suitable for interviews. i sure as gently caress wouldnt. even if you ignore the fact that the last job i applied for had something like 600 applicants and that capitalism requires unemployment in order for new businesses to start (new businesses need workers from somewhere)
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Big Daddy Keynes posted:even if you ignore the fact that the last job i applied for had something like 600 applicants and that capitalism requires unemployment in order for new businesses to start (new businesses need workers from somewhere) LibertyCat posted:When I trust 100% of jobseekers to obey instructions, turn up on time and not rob the company blind, I will have more sympathy for the "the current system requires a certain number of unemployed" argument. The bottom %10 are nowhere near that benchmark. I guess that is checkmate for us.
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Redcordial posted:Jesus some of the engagement with imbeciles and overall lovely posting in these past few pages has been complete normality sadly.. The cease fire really seemed to surprised everyone when it sort of worked a hell of a lot better then expected. Which was of course not work at all. Before it went into affect it seemed an absolute mess but it has really seemed to of calmed things down. Whats going yo happen from here on out who knows but at the very least hopefully it should give a chance for some much needed aid to make it to many of the places that desperately need it. In news on the superior hemisphere, Palmer "saved" the his Queens land nickle plant "Our abc posted:Clive Palmer says he has "saved the Yabulu Refinery for a second time" after snatching control of the Townsville nickel plant from administrators. As the planet itself was still apparently profitable not a huge surprise. Really hope he doesn't screw over the existing workers entitlements. As this whole thing seems like a cheap way of getting out of some of the places debts it does seem pretty probable. In far stupider "news", on Q&A apparently Alan Jones was happy to call himself a feminist while the current Minister for women Michaelia Cash was not. If you come off seeming less caring then Alan Jones on any issue, letter alone relating to something you're minister for, you've probably hosed up hard. I mean nothings obviously going to come of it as its a nothing really, other then just you know, sort of sad.
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Pickled Tink posted:I'm sorry. he has already destroyed that argument, see? welp, guess i'll starve then. Stealing from work is a time honoured tradition and anyone who doesnt do it should be deported imho im also pretty sure that bosses steal from workers pretty drat often (see: unpaid overtime)
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LibertyCat posted:For the record my Libertarian views are mainly based on my own morals, not what is theoretically best for running an economy. This pretty much sums it up. You don't think this is the best way we can get benefits for our entire society, you admit this isn't the best thing for the economy, you just want to see those scabby parasites get punished for not living up to your arbitrary standard of "fairness" or "hard work". I may disagree with other posters here about the best outcomes achievable or the paths to those outcomes but at least they're trying to get the best result even if we fundamentally disagree about efficacy of methods or on what constitutes a best outcome. I may think they're wrong and stupid, they may think I'm wrong at stupid but we're both aimed at the same goal which is "best outcome" which I will always respect. Your goal isn't best outcome, so you can pretty much gently caress right off. EDIT: Here you go just go read the libertarian thread http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3745862&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1 hooman fucked around with this message at 15:43 on Mar 7, 2016 |
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The F-35 platform is, of course, a stupid purchase, there is actually another solution to our non-existent problem of "How exactly do we attack It really comes down to "What exactly do we need an air-force for" - lets look at see what we have in the year 2020-ish if we don't buy the F-35. - We need a long range patrol and / shipping platform - We have 15 x Poseidon P-8 (a Boeing 737 variant). We are still probably going to ruin a great idea by buying 7 x MQ-4C Triton's (unarmed recon drone) despite the two platforms can't actually talk to each other - We need an air defense platform for defending the mighty homeland. Our existing 70 x F/A-18 A/B's and 24 x F/A-18F's will do this job, even though there is no chance of - An Air Defence Platform means we need a AEW&C aircraft as well. We have 6 x E-7 Wedgetail's, which is also a Boeing 737 variant, and then we went and again ruined it buy buying 12 x E/A-18G electronic warfare aircraft, designed to escort a strike platform through to their target. - We need an air-transport system to fly around our troops - We have a 10 C-27's, a dozen C-130J's and 8 x C-17 Globemasters's, along with the Airbus KC-30 Tanker so that when that hurricane hits Fiji we can fly over and - We need an air force to fly around showing off to the public that we have an air force. If we decide to attack some random target in our region that offends us, we could use almost all of our 7 tankers to fly a strike package of maybe a dozen aircraft, consisting of 10 strike aircraft and 2 Growlers to fly to within 200km of the target area, fire off a bunch of AGM-84 Air to Ground missiles, then turn around and run home before the enemy interceptors catch up. They can land and rearm and be ready to do it again in maybe 24 hours, at only the risk of about a billion dollars in hardware. There is a better way, and it's actually the other major RAN proposal that no-one talks about - SEA 5000 'Future Frigate', a $10 billion dollar plan to build 8 replacements for the current ANZAC class frigates designed more around anti-submarine warfare. Currently the ANZAC class has what's called a Vertical Launch System, a modular launch system which can take a variety of weapons, but we really only have one equipped - The Enhanced Sea Sparrow, a ship to air missile with a range of around 50km. It can also take a larger anti-air missile with some anti-ballistic missile ability called the Standard Missile 3, but we haven't decided to buy this yet. But the future version is being asked to also submit designs for something called the "TEAM" - and that's the follow on for the TLAM" or the Tomahawk Cruise Missile. Range up to 2,500km, heavily used in the Middle East as a replacement for aircraft strikes, and at $2 million / shot it's only 4x as expensive as the AGM-84's that the Airforce use, with the added benefit that they can be fired from a long, long way away without risking an entire strike package. No need to worry about having to jam your way into the target and avoid air defense, sit a few of them 1000km offshore, and they can protect themselves from Submarines and Aircraft, fire off their missiles and then turn around and sail home, or they can reload and keep firing while at sea. There's only two problems with this : 1) The RAAF will hate it because it shows their big fancy fighters are pretty much useless. 2) Our Neighbors will hate it. Because, although the only ones in use today use conventional warheads, Tomahawks were originally designed to carry a 150 kt Nuclear weapon. This is why only the USA and the UK use them today - they are not a very subtle purchase.
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evilbastard posted:This is why only the USA and the UK use them today - they are not a very subtle purchase. Just buy them on a Friday afternoon, I'm sure everyone will of forgotten about it by Monday morning. That or put out a press release saying that we're buying them to fight off our dangerous native wild life. Come the secound emu war we shall not lose again 
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An airforce can be useful for stuff other than an outright shooting war. You can fly a plane over an artificial island in the south China sea and do other stuff that doesn't involve actually dropping a bomb in anger. If it's come to actual war, we're already hosed, the international geopolitical system has collapsed and it's all gone mad Max.
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Negligent posted:An airforce can be useful for stuff other than an outright shooting war. You can fly a plane over an artificial island in the south China sea and do other stuff that doesn't involve actually dropping a bomb in anger. If we want to fly over the islands, we have that plane - the P-8 Poseidon has the range to fly there, hang around for 3-4 hours and fly back, un-refueled. It's also carrying one of the best maritime radars in the world. The South China Sea is over 3000km from Darwin - sending the F/A-18G electronic warfare plane to do the same mission would need no less than 6 complete refueling trips from Darwin, and the F-35A is the same if not worse. I'm not saying ditch the Airforce, I'm saying ditch the pipe dream of the Airforce being used in a strike role, cancel the F-35A and F/A-18H and just accept that we don't need the biggest, best warplanes if we just use the Navy for 1/3rd the cost.
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Big Daddy Keynes posted:which i think is weird because we are totally the bitch of the usa. if i was el presidente of australia after a coup i would pull out of the f35 program and hopefully lockheed martin would send some coke and hookers to the us gov to change their mind about the f22 because lol mic. if this didnt work i'd buy some f15s or rafales. the gripen is the coolest plane but single engined planes are pants on head retarded for a country like australia. There's a very limited supply of F-22s, they stopped production after a short run and have probably lost all the tooling too so no more can ever be made ever again. And they're definitely never handing them out to allies, let along second-tier allies like Australia. Pros: super fast, agile, looks cool, shoots missiles? They fixed the date line thing and oxygen thing. Cons: more expensive than god, self-inflicted rarity makes them far too valuable to ever actually deploy in places with AAA more advanced than 1960's Soviet surplus. The F-35 was meant to be a cheaper more versatile superjet but well they hosed that up in every conceivable way and invented a few more so now Australia has doubled down on probably the worst thing ever. A better defense plan would be to buy old F-16s from India or something.
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quote:Senior Queensland Labor figures believe the government has no choice but to go to an election, after it was taken "completely by surprise" by Rob Pyne's resignation, despite the Cairns MP airing his frustrations publicly.
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Negligent posted:An airforce can be useful for stuff other than an outright shooting war. You can fly a plane over an artificial island in the south China sea and do other stuff that doesn't involve actually dropping a bomb in anger. I thought the entire point of our military was to make a token contribution to a larger ally's wars (and purchase a larger ally's lovely fighter jets) in exchange for protection from Asia. I thought this was the guiding principle of Australian defence policy for over 100 years. Which raises the interesting question of whether we actually have to participate in all of America's boondoggles in order to secure that protection. If we'd passed on dumbshit wars like Vietnam or the second Iraq War, I still can't see the US being cool with a Chinese invasion of Australia, since they're trying to keep the Chinese contained. I mean that's overly simplistic armchair general pontificating, but that has to be right, yeah? I couldn't see America being fine with the Chinese annexing a major continent in the Pacific just because we didn't show up to one of their war parties. Although I also think a lot of our recent ventures have more to do with people like Howard and Abbott wanting to play Churchill and sit at the big boys' table, rather than any coherent defence policy.
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iajanus posted:Queensland worst state, as ever. Sorry, this actually reads as Queensland best state. Gov wins election on a committment they turn around and ignore; gov memeber quits in disgust. He'll still be there, and he ticks all the boxes - neglect outside the SE corner, coal donors negatively affecting his local area, Anna P listens to party bosses instead of voters. This isn't a swing back to equilibrium like they thought the election was, this is indicative of a wider state movement to be less poo poo.
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iajanus posted:Queensland worst state, as ever.  This is some House of Cards poo poo Gentlemen and Lawrence Springborg is Frank Underwood and Campbell Newman is Doug.
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asio posted:Sorry, this actually reads as Queensland best state. Gov wins election on a committment they turn around and ignore; gov memeber quits in disgust. He'll still be there, and he ticks all the boxes - neglect outside the SE corner, coal donors negatively affecting his local area, Anna P listens to party bosses instead of voters. This isn't a swing back to equilibrium like they thought the election was, this is indicative of a wider state movement to be less poo poo. Just because Queensland may be being a bit less poo poo doesn't mean it still can't hold the title of worst state. A PB while coming last is still last.
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toe shoes posted:Just because Queensland may be being a bit less poo poo doesn't mean it still can't hold the title of worst state. A PB while coming last is still last. If it wasn't for those bloody southerners moving up here and ruining it for the rest of us. Close the southern border and open up north instead, cairns knows what's up
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asio posted:If it wasn't for those bloody southerners moving up here and ruining it for the rest of us. Close the southern border and open up north instead, cairns knows what's up We need to excise the gold coast and return it to it's rightful owners; NSW.
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Brisbane City Council sold another block of public land to a Liberal National Party donor in 2013 without going to tender, but the Quirk-led LNP administration has rejected any suggestion of favourable treatment. Lot 2, 538 Nudgee Road was sold to the BMI Group for $1.5 million as part of a $10.5 million compensation package for a 13-hectare landfill at Murarrie, which the council resumed in 2010 to convert to parkland. The Nudgee Road property, which had been used as a spoil shed during the construction of Airport Link, was adjacent to another block of land – Lot 1, 538 Nudgee Road – which mired the LNP's council campaign in controversy last week. Like Lot 1, which the council had hoped to sell to LNP donor Tan Boon Seng before Local Government Minister Jackie Trad refused to allow the transaction, Lot 2 did not go to public tender, as was legally required. Both deals needed the approval of the sitting Queensland local government minister. The $1.5 million price tag for Lot 2 was more than $100,000 below market value, according to the council's own valuations. But a spokesman for BMI, which had made more than $80,000 in donations to the LNP in four years, said the company did not believe it had received special treatment. "We do not believe we have ever received any benefit from donations to any political party or candidate and actually believe that any transactions we have undertaken attract a higher level of external scrutiny because of past donations," he said. A spokesman for Lord Mayor Graham Quirk said BMI, the parent company of then-Murrarie site owner Siveressence, did not want to part with the southside property and "utterly rejected" any suggestion of favourable treatment. "Their (Murrarie) business was closed down and they sought compensation of $36 million, but settlement was later reached for $10.5 million," he said. "Part of the $10.5 million compensation included a land swap with an agreed purchase price of the Nudgee Road site for $1.5 million based on market value (remaining $9 million in cash). "The site was considered surplus to council's needs and by entering into a land swap it meant council did not need to find the total value from its cash reserves." Cr Quirk's spokesman said an independent valuation of the property gave it a sales value of $1.61 million, more than $100,000 above the agreed value reached by the two parties. "However, council considered it failed to take into account requirements of the Nudgee Road bikeway and the uncertainty at the time of getting a 'general industry' area designation," he said. Then-local government minister David Crisafulli signed off on the deal on February 28, 2013, about 1½ months after the council requested the exemption on November 23, 2012. Mr Crisafulli said it was just one of "dozens" of ministerial exemption requests he received as minister. "I had a simple rule. If council put forward a case that it was in the public interest and there was a valuation to ensure ratepayers dollars were protected I'd back the council," he said. "I'd do that whether it was Graham Quirk in Brisbane or Jenny Hill in Townsville. "Political affiliations or donations were never factored into my decision." According to Electoral Commission of Queensland disclosures, the BMI Group had made $82,700 in donations to the LNP between 2011 and 2015. BMI also sponsored a corporate golf day for Cr Quirk last year, photos of which were posted on its Facebook page. The BMI spokesman said the company believed the overall resumption compensation was "below the true value of the Murarrie asset". He said BMI also had to comply to what it considered to be "onerous" conditions to build its new waste facility on the site. "We believe that the amount which BMI was required to pay would have been well in excess of the market value of the property at the time, given that it was not approved for industry at that time and give that the MCU [material change of use] was an impact assessable application," he said. "A development application was lodged in April 2013 and in February 2014 it was approved subject to numerous conditions – the most onerous of which required BMI to improve and signalise the intersection onto Nudgee Road. "Another condition removed direct access onto Nudgee Road from the property." Cr Quirk's spokesman said BMI's financial support of the LNP did not enter into the council's consideration. "There was no material personal interest on the part of any councillor in relation to the disposal of the property," he said. Labor lord mayoral candidate Rod Harding once again accused the LNP administration of making secret deals to escape scrutiny. "This is yet another land deal with a mate they didn't want to tell us about and this deal got the rubber stamp from Campbell Newman," he said. "The question for Graham Quirk and the LNP remains: if it was such a good deal, why keep it a secret all this time?" Greens lord mayoral candidate Ben Pennings said political donations would continue to cloud council decisions as long as they continued to be made. "These matters will continue to arise while it's legal for political parties to accept donations from vested interests," he said. The attempted sale of Lot 1 has been referred to the Crime and Corruption Commission.
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None of us watch Q&A so we missed this momentquote:Michaelia Cash, the minister for women, rejected being labelled as a feminist despite pressure from other commentators on the Q&A panel – and even an admission from rightwing radio host Alan Jones that he hoped he was a feminist. what an age we live in
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Plain packaging will probably make kids more interested in the games. Apparently it's a marketing decision made by Target so whatever, they can sell games how they want.
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Good, the sooner gamers are treated like pariahs the better. Also jesus gently caress are there any major banks in australia that arent awful as gently caress? no
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open24hours posted:Plain packaging will probably make kids more interested in the games. Apparently it's a marketing decision made by Target so whatever, they can sell games how they want. Honestly my instinctual reaction as an adult is those sort of sleeves are associated with "unwanted" games and even knowing whats in the box makes it less appealing. I think its a rather great idea to be honest.
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Noted feminist Alan "women are destroying the joint" Jones.
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Jumpingmanjim posted:How do you feel about plain packaging? This but for everything. gently caress advertising, and that includes box art.
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The ALP ha been trialing plain packaging for politicians for a while.
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Occasionally they have something at crazy low prices. Which I then get EB to pricematch.
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Amoeba102 posted:The ALP ha been trialing plain packaging for politicians for a while. 
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Amoeba102 posted:The ALP ha been trialing plain packaging for politicians for a while. 
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SynthOrange posted:Also jesus gently caress are there any major banks in australia that arent awful as gently caress? no Major banks? No. Minor banks? Yes. Check out Bendigo Bank, or a local credit union in your area. Also, PNbank is pretty good, but I dont know if they are over east yet.
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Jumpingmanjim posted:How do you feel about plain packaging? I'm cool with it cos I gave up smoking but Sinclair Davison (paid consultant for Big Tobacco) has a GRAPH:  I'm not a statistician so I don't know what his regression analysis is about but even I can see that that graph means jack poo poo. Oh and Quadrant is gurgling over one of Roger Scruton's books, he's another paid tobacco shill but loves to write books about how all lefties are EEEEVILLL and also bad.
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