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Mostly fair criticism I think, but I did want to call out one point: quote:(B) No charge will be made for any covered services other than for payment authorized by this Act. This line is a bit vague and may not say what you think it says. Depending on the Definition of "charge" elsewhere in the law it may only apply to charges made through the Berniecare system. This would be more in line with the claim that Bernie wants to model it on Swiss healthcare (i.e. You can charge a different rate for the same care, but in that case, it is not covered by Berniecare and would need to be covered by direct payments outside the standard Berniecare system. EDIT: That said, I would fully expect the more... disingenuous opponents of Berniecare to claim exactly your point even if my interpretation is actually the intended one. I mean, those people ARE the people who got Death Panels to stick... ComradeCosmobot fucked around with this message at 06:04 on Mar 8, 2016 |
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Rhesus Pieces posted:As if there was any doubt, GOP elites are officially planning to screw Trump at a contested convention What am I missing here, it feels like this was all on Meet the Press this past Sunday. Edit: I have to wonder what the off year primaries are going to be like. We've already seen the tea partiers go crazy, so I wonder if we're going to see a bunch of mini-Trumps as well. Solkanar512 fucked around with this message at 06:02 on Mar 8, 2016 |
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drat McAlister, that was an effort. What open criticism has Bernie faced on his plan?Radbot posted:edit: looking forward to Clinton's "reasonable" Grand Bargain proposal, and her obviously superior healthcare plan Oh gently caress someone posted some well researched criticism, I better race to shitpost about something else!
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Mostly fair criticism I think, but I did want to call out one point: Providers either are in or out - there's no "I'm a provider but also taking patients on the side at a higher rate" e: § 204(e)(3) quote:Covered services under this Act do not include the following: (C) The services of a professional practitioner if they are furnished in a hospital or other facility which is not a participating provider. and § 301(b)(1)(B), quoted earlier, as the exclusion from charging outside of the program WhiskeyJuvenile fucked around with this message at 06:10 on Mar 8, 2016 |
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lol can you imagine, i said to myself "the D&D chat thread is not smart enough for me, let's go to another thread" and i see this. gently caress your memorized textbooks, thats not smart! im not going to read that crap!@!!! Goodbye!
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FCKGW posted:Can't seen to embed this gif of January2017.gifv Why would Rubio be in congress? https://v.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/B311...CBxP.xQ3N8J2z32 gohmak fucked around with this message at 06:25 on Mar 8, 2016 |
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FCKGW posted:Can't seen to embed this gif of January2017.gifv I want to take this gif out behind the middle school and get it pregnant
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Thanks for that analysis, McAlister.
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VitalSigns posted:I still could not loving believe that in the debates. FYGM. Most red states, tornado alley states, etc. love taking fed money when something bad happens to them. But those dirty liberal/blue states(hell even nearby red states) gently caress them.
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PhazonLink posted:FYGM. Most red states, tornado alley states, etc. love taking fed money when something bad happens to them. But those dirty liberal/blue states(hell even nearby red states) gently caress them. My favorite part is when you get red regions of blue states talking about defecting to another state, like you'd hear some during the Malheur thing in Eastern Oregon, then it turns out that nobody wants them because they're just money sink regions. Was it Abbot or Perry in Texas a few years back that went immediately from screaming about Obama and the gov wasting money on hurricane aid to the east coast (which was both the undoing of Christie when he accepted it and everything you need to know about the modern GOP), to tapping his foot and saying "WHERE'S THE AID HERE OBAMA HUH LET'S GET A MOVE ON" when wildfires due in part to slashing land management budget were eating up like all of the west of the state?
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Since you mention money sinks, the graph is old(like more than 5+ years), but I'm sure most of you are familiar with the chart that shows that most of the red states take more fed money than they give. fake edit : Also also, speaking of cutting back on state programs. Cutting back on mosquito management programs. Hopefully Zika doesn't become a major thing.
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PhazonLink posted:Since you mention money sinks, the graph is old(like more than 5+ years), but I'm sure most of you are familiar with the chart that shows that most of the red states take more fed money than they give. Aren't the mosquito species that carry zika pretty restricted in range? I don't think anyone is expecting a major outbreak in the US.
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Litany Unheard posted:Aren't the mosquito species that carry zika pretty restricted in range? I don't think anyone is expecting a major outbreak in the US. Be interesting for state budgets and abortion/birth control restrictions in Texas tho if it shows up in affluent white ladies tho Plus the thing about regions being too cold for it is that's the same was as saying, "they're spreading more northerly every year"
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PhazonLink posted:Since you mention money sinks, the graph is old(like more than 5+ years), but I'm sure most of you are familiar with the chart that shows that most of the red states take more fed money than they give. You know, avian and swine flu never became a thing (maybe because of public health outreach, etc, etc.) but also this is the year that Donald Trump became the lead Republican presidential candidate so who the gently caress knows  God save the souls of states without strong contraceptive culture and sex ed if it does. 
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PhazonLink posted:Since you mention money sinks, the graph is old(like more than 5+ years), but I'm sure most of you are familiar with the chart that shows that most of the red states take more fed money than they give. From what I've seen, what actually happens is that urban areas of red states take a disproportionate amount of money.
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Litany Unheard posted:Aren't the mosquito species that carry zika pretty restricted in range? I don't think anyone is expecting a major outbreak in the US. The CDC's been raising the alarm on zika in a major way, and I think they're definitely concerned about rising temperatures resulting in nasty mosquito weather spreading disease up into the US. They're also just health professionals concerned about the rise of any illness in the Northern Hemisphere, of course, so it's likely just a wise precaution.
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NJ just reported a Zika case. fake edit : search engine results show a 2nd NJ case, a case in Philly, and Alabama.
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PhazonLink posted:Since you mention money sinks, the graph is old(like more than 5+ years), but I'm sure most of you are familiar with the chart that shows that most of the red states take more fed money than they give. Here's an in-depth look at net contributions by state from 2014 in The Atlantic ~ "Which States are Givers and Which are Takers?" Edited to add the moneyshot: 
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PhazonLink posted:FYGM. Most red states, tornado alley states, etc. love taking fed money when something bad happens to them. But those dirty liberal/blue states(hell even nearby red states) gently caress them. That's why I have respect for horrible rear end in a top hat Tom Coburn (  -OK). When the tornado hit us, Inhofe did the typical hypocritical thing and voted for aid when it was his own state on the line, but Coburn didn't waver from his relentless crusade to crush up the bones of our children and feed them to the ultrawealthy and unflinchingly insisted on getting budget cuts elsewhere that he wants before he'd support any aid for tornado-ravaged Oklahoma.
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Combed Thunderclap posted:The CDC's been raising the alarm on zika in a major way, and I think they're definitely concerned about rising temperatures resulting in nasty mosquito weather spreading disease up into the US. I dunno what the news in the US say but over here they've been reporting the fears of the zika virus wrt damaging fetuses has been overblown and it's actually a pesticide in the water that are causing babies with microcephaly. Which as i gather has been the main cause of fear of Zika. Either way it sucks about all those babies 
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:That's really interesting, thank you. Sometimes it's nice to remember that, whatever the outcome, we're living through history. Np. I highly recommend checking out the sticky "why are you voting Hillary?" Thread at the top of r/hillaryClinton. It's got very diverse perspectives including a few registered republicans explaining why trump has driven them to vote for Hillary. "The front runner of my party just spent five minutes talking about the size of his dingus on national TV". =D WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Providers either are in or out - there's no "I'm a provider but also taking patients on the side at a higher rate" Also in the blurb Bernie released right before the health care town hall he makes his intent clear: https://berniesanders.com/issues/medicare-for-all/ Bernie propaganda posted:As a patient, all you need to do is go to the doctor and show your insurance card. Bernie’s plan means no more copays, no more deductibles and no more fighting with insurance companies when they fail to pay for charges. Some of the claims on that page contradict the verbiage of the bill he submitted multiple times to the senate. Where they differ I go with the law text over the campaign promises. Also on its face that promise is impossible unless you mandate that all doctors accept BernieCare. Something he shied away from in his bill. Beating up on doctors is a lot less popular than beating up on insurance companies. ---- To those who read the text wall, thank you. G'night for real.
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BobTheJanitor posted:Regardless, FPTP voting is always going to offer, at best, an illusion of choice. You can drink this poison which will make you deathly ill, or this poison which will kill you outright. You have the freedom to vote for whichever you wish. If you don't vote, we're going to let Bubba over here pick one for you. Saying 'I'd rather have a latte instead' is a nice sentiment, but that's not on offer. Protesting the choice by not voting at all just means you're ceding your choice to Bubba, who read on the internet that death-poison is good for the economy. Thank you for this metaphor. I have stolen it for my own nefarious purposes. Edit: on the topic of FPTP voting, one alternative is preferential voting (all voters rank at least one candidate; if nobody wins outright people who voted for the last place candidate have their votes transferred to next highest choice; if nobody wins outright...). The Wikipedia page says that "this system fails the monotonicity criterion, where ranking a candidate higher can lessen the chances he or she will be elected." Can someone come up with a small example of this? The examples given on the Wikipedia page did not make it clear why ranking a candidate higher would have/did hurt that candidate. Grundulum fucked around with this message at 09:33 on Mar 8, 2016 |
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McAlister posted:Dear god thats a wall of text. Enough for tonight. Yeah, that seems pretty bad. Thank you for posting it. It's disappointing so many things and bad results are overlooked in this. It probably was more of a political purpose bill than anything he expected to be passed. I actually see why ALEC writing bills for people is helpful, though worrying. In an ideal world, this would be the type of thing covered by political news and opinion rather than "Do Black People Like Bernie? HMMMMMM?"
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Grundulum posted:Thank you for this metaphor. I have stolen it for my own nefarious purposes. I don't like this metaphor. I think I understand the limitations of FPTP but my inherent faith in my fellow man keeps me from reducing it to a simple game theory situation where the nebulous other is mashing betray as hard as possible. Okay, it sounds fairly accurate now that I've typed it out. Maybe I should go look at birds for a while.
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His Divine Shadow posted:I dunno what the news in the US say but over here they've been reporting the fears of the zika virus wrt damaging fetuses has been overblown and it's actually a pesticide in the water that are causing babies with microcephaly. Which as i gather has been the main cause of fear of Zika. The data linking either one of those to small head baby isn't too thorough. It's still alarming and deserving of the CDC/who getting to the bottom of it. Zikas particularly worrisome because the disease itself is sort of a pushover for a healthy adult. Like a cold is worse symptom wise. Still don't think it's the defcon 420 the media portrays it to be.
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First Past the Post is a fantastic system far superior to proportional representation. It encourages and promotes moderate politicians and moderate policy shifts. It's certainly less democratic, though it's not illiberal by any means. An acceptable sacrifice in my opinion.
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The Iron Rose posted:First Past the Post is a fantastic system far superior to proportional representation. It encourages and promotes moderate politicians and moderate policy shifts. It's certainly less democratic, though it's not illiberal by any means. An acceptable sacrifice in my opinion. Noted moderate legislative body the 114th United States Congress.
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The Iron Rose posted:First Past the Post is a fantastic system far superior to proportional representation. It encourages and promotes moderate politicians and moderate policy shifts. It's certainly less democratic, though it's not illiberal by any means. An acceptable sacrifice in my opinion. I mean, if we had PR, we might very well end up with a grand coalition to keep out the fascists and the socialists, which is perhaps something Democrats and Republicans would actually be interested at this very moment.
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How many first past the post systems has the US imposed on other countries after occupation, again? Like Iraq and Japan? How many presidential systems?
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Antti posted:How many first past the post systems has the US imposed on other countries after occupation, again? Like Iraq and Japan? How many presidential systems? The Philippines has a FPTP and Presidential system modeled against the US.
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gradenko_2000 posted:Noted moderate legislative body the 114th United States Congress. There was a WaPo article yesterday about this and how the 2010 gerrymander has killed bipartisanship and moderate positions because races are at the primary level now. Representatives don't have to appeal to the other party since they aren't the threat to their seat - it's someone else who would say they aren't X enough so vote for them instead.
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gradenko_2000 posted:Noted moderate legislative body the 114th United States Congress. What's more moderate than doing nothing at all?
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Someone tell the NC GOP that "If you can't beat 'em, cheat 'em" is not an acceptable state motto.
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Recently, those same hosed up NC districts (NC-12 represent) were judged to be unconstitutional, and the legislature announced new changes to the map. quote:But the proposed map also changes each of the state’s 13 congressional districts, some of them strikingly.
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I want a Sanders in a Clinton body so basically Elizabeth Warren. A woman getting elected though will really help bring out the sexists as much as Obaam got to bring out the racists so it's going to be another fun 4 years. Also paving the way for more diversity in the executive branch. Seeing the first black, first woman and maybe even the first hispanic (ironically named Castro) presidents is really loving cool.
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The Iron Rose posted:First Past the Post is a fantastic system far superior to proportional representation. It encourages and promotes moderate politicians and moderate policy shifts. It's certainly less democratic, though it's not illiberal by any means. An acceptable sacrifice in my opinion. No it's not. FPTP guarantees that you're always left with a "choose the lesser evil" situation because it promotes having a two or three large parties. This means that you're stuck with lovely options if neither of the evils want to play the greater part. At least with PR you at least have a chance of promoting an outsider party to a position that a larger party is forced to compromised. The reason the US has such an awful situation in its Congress is because you can't have "moderate politicians and moderate policy shifts" when one or both big parties don't want to play. This is why you're Congress is so lovely. If PR was an option the GOP and Dems would be forced to speak to these lesser parties without giving leadership to them. As it stands now the GOP is completely insane and since you have no other options other than the Dems, they can be just as lovely as long as they're not as lovely as the GOP. The only people who promote FPTP are conservatives or neo-liberals who specifically want to entrench their own power. It does nothing to promote "moderate" policies. What "moderate" policies are the GOP promoting? Stretch Marx fucked around with this message at 14:43 on Mar 8, 2016 |
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Kansas legislators pushing forward bill to expand legal grounds for impeaching judgesquote:A committee in the GOP-controlled Senate plans to vote Tuesday on a bill that would make "attempting to usurp the power" of the Legislature or the executive branch grounds for impeachment. I can't wait to see what happens when this passes and then the courts declare it unconstitutional.
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fknlo posted:Kansas legislators pushing forward bill to expand legal grounds for impeaching judges Thunderdome is the obvious solution since Kansas is well on its way to Mad Max Hellscape anyway.
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