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Astroman posted:Yeah, after seeing how the Ark got started and what they did to Polaris right out of the gate, Pike is pretty much being true to his heritage and upbringing. Arkers were also the people who forced Octavia's parents to make her live in the floorboards, floated people for whatevs, sent their own children to Earth to probably die, and did wacky poo poo like asphyxiate a huge percentage of their population. Sounds like Pike is on the Ark Program. Kane in particular seems to have evolved beyond that. You act like they did this stuff for fun. They legitimately thought they were the last people alive and had to do everything to conserve resources so they could survive another hundred? years so the radiation levels were low enough to have the planet be hospitable.
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And don't forget Mt. Weather could have contacted them, so they were assholes all along too.
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hollylolly posted:I think the Pike situation was rushed because the show only had Lexa for a certain amount of episodes. They hurried the plot so they could get to this point before she was gone. Regrettable, but understandable. Understandable, but possibly still the wrong decision. By devoting all their resources to fleshing out Lexa in the brief time they had her, they sacrificed all nuance for the Arkadia plot and destroyed audience sympathy for Bellamy. And now that Lexa is dead, the audience goodwill they got for developing her has turned into scorn and backlash, partly because they spent so much time on her. Now they are stuck with Bad Bellamy and any redemption they try to give him is, at best, going to be looked upon with suspicion (because what if the writers just decide to walk it back again?), and at worst, will earn even more audience scorn because Bellamy is now mathematically a worse murderer than Finn. Audience goodwill is a limited resource that should be spent carefully and invested wisely so it grows over time, but basically every decision the writers have made this season so far has resulted in a loss. They took stock out of Bellamy to invest in Lexa, and now they're almost broke. At this point, all they can do is cross their fingers and hope the City of Light pays off big.
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Literally all of Clarke's love interests can be expected to die. Buffy and the 100 are both shows where character love interests die as part of plot advancement. Let's look at the characters and their love interests who die. (Buffy spoilers for the entire series) Character - Love interest who dies Giles - Straight Woman Xander - Straight Woman Buffy - Straight Man x2 Dawn - Straight Boy Spike - Straight Woman Willow - Lesbian Woman. 1/8 dead love interests is a lesbian. 1/2 of Clarke's dead love interests was a lesbian. This episode was good, except that the flashbacks to the polaris stations were pointless and boring. The budget to model a new space station to depict something that we all knew happened in the distant past would have been better spent on almost everything else.
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lol now "ALYCIA WANTED TO COME BACK" is trending on twitter. The writers must be outright panicking at this point. This isn't some CBS behemoth of a a show, this is the CW which relies on its cultist fan base to pick up the slack. I don't think I've ever seen so many fans pissed about a TV show before.
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Snak posted:This episode was good, except that the flashbacks to the polaris stations were pointless and boring. The budget to model a new space station to depict something that we all knew happened in the distant past would have been better spent on almost everything else. I liked it but I kind of agree, it was fleshing out some stuff that.. we didn't really need fleshed out. It did show us Becka(I seriously hate this spelling...) injecting herself with the stuff and the neural-interface device, but it kind of just felt like the CW was like "oh poo poo we can totally just throw some explosions in... some SPACE explosions!" I hope we're all completely wrong and Murphy turns out to get him and Clarke out, or somehow spin the tale so he doesn't get framed. He just needs to eat more 100 year old wafers and party, that's the Murphy we know and love.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:lol now "ALYCIA WANTED TO COME BACK" is trending on twitter. The writers must be outright panicking at this point. This isn't some CBS behemoth of a a show, this is the CW which relies on its cultist fan base to pick up the slack. I don't think I've ever seen so many fans pissed about a TV show before. Nobody cares about a few dozen people on Twitter. It's easy to make something trend at 11am on a weekday.
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It sure looks like more than a few dozen people to me.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I don't think I've ever seen so many fans pissed about a TV show before. The 100's ratings aren't big enough to make this statement true. I would say near the end of any season of Game of Thrones has it beat for sheer number of angry fans.
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Azhais posted:Strictly speaking didn't the whole grounder/skykru war start due to the rockets the kids sent up to say they were ok? I seem to recall them managing to hit and destroy multiple grounder settlements, which is why the warband went on the march in the first place. If you want to point fingers, Jasper got speared by a grounder in the pilot episode. Grounders lied, Arkers died.
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Wasn't the end of Dexter sort of peak angry fan? Certainly most people had checked out before then, but that was the TV point I recall the most people being upset by. Maybe BSG? That seemed like it had a lot smaller cultural penetration. I'm curious why anyone wanting to see characters live happily ever after would be watching The 100. How many of the 100 are even still alive? The old saying that none one are gets out alive couldn't be more true for this show. I doubt that Clarke will RIP soon, but it wouldn't be the most surprising thing ever and she is by far the most (maybe only?) plot armored character.
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Acinonyx posted:Wasn't the end of Dexter sort of peak angry fan? Anyone who snapped when woodcutter Dexter was unveiled was clearly not watching the show in the Dexter thread fashion.
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Boogaleeboo posted:I mean not for nothing but the Polaris crew did a really poo poo job there. "Begin docking now or we will shoot you out of the sky". "Ok, just hold on a minute.". "...begin docking now or we will shoot you out of the sky.". "Yeah that's cool, just give us a minute.". "....no really, dock now or we are totally blowing you the hell up.". "Yeah I see where you are coming from, but also one more minute.". "Well, guess it's time to kill a bitch." "NO WAIT WE ARE TOTALLY GOING TO DOCK NOW!". It's like who cares if you think she has a humanity killing AI, you weren't going to resolve that in the next ten seconds anyway. And there is no way to convey that information that wouldn't terrify the rest of the stations either. They tell you to start docking, just start docking really slow. Buy time. They got stupid and preachy and they ate some missiles for it. To be fair it seems like Polaris had plenty of time to dock and/or explain why they suddenly stopped dicking maneuvers without a word and they didn't so it looked super suspicious. They gave them time and last warnings to begin docking and they didn't respond until the time was over. Boom.
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Given that the station was owned by the crazy scientist chick it seems like the easy answer would be "crazy scientist chick has gone crazy and locked us out, we'll continue docking manoeuvres as soon as we space her and regain control" (or just "thrusters broke, we're working on fixing them") Send out the message that you can't dock, not that you won't.
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:You act like they did this stuff for fun. They legitimately thought they were the last people alive and had to do everything to conserve resources so they could survive another hundred? years so the radiation levels were low enough to have the planet be hospitable. Oh no, I don't think all that stuff was great or justifies Pike now, I'm just saying that's where he's coming from.
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Astroman posted:Oh no, I don't think all that stuff was great or justifies Pike now, I'm just saying that's where he's coming from. Yeah Pike is stuck in the "humanity (us) must do whatever is necessary to survive" way of acting whereas Kane has realised that since there seems to be thousands of humans left, being so exceptionalist doesn't make much sense.
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FiestaNinja posted:Yeah Pike is stuck in the "humanity (us) must do whatever is necessary to survive" way of acting whereas Kane has realised that since there seems to be thousands of humans left, being so exceptionalist doesn't make much sense. I just think it's basic tribalism. Every single authority figure in this show always goes on about "their people" and is willing to do horrible things to other people in order to keep them alive. Pike isn't really that much different then Mount Weather or really any grounder leader except Lexa. I mean the show is basically how the world was for most of human civilization (albeit with less people). 
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The show did make a pretty big deal about how unusual Lexa was as a Commander. Tribalism is one of humanity's oldest and strongest instincts. At base, shipping is really just another form of tribalism. That's why ship wars are so vicious and weird sometimes.
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DarkCrawler posted:I just think it's basic tribalism. Every single authority figure in this show always goes on about "their people" and is willing to do horrible things to other people in order to keep them alive. Pike isn't really that much different then Mount Weather or really any grounder leader except Lexa. I mean the show is basically how the world was for most of human civilization (albeit with less people). Although ironically, while humans have devolved to tribalism (including the still "modern" societies of the Ark and Mt Wx), that is not what actually destroyed civilization--it was ALIE. While "tribalism" in the form of nationalism and countries was still clearly present in the near future of the show with it's armed space stations from various countries, for all we know humanity in that era was in the beginnings of a golden age of peace and erasing of borders. ALIE just hosed it all up because of something something overpopulation computer logic something.
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DarkCrawler posted:I just think it's basic tribalism. Every single authority figure in this show always goes on about "their people" and is willing to do horrible things to other people in order to keep them alive. Pike isn't really that much different then Mount Weather or really any grounder leader except Lexa. I mean the show is basically how the world was for most of human civilization (albeit with less people). I think he's plenty different though. Half his people were killed fighting the Ice Nation, so he and his folks became who they are out of necessity. Whereas Mt. Weather was capturing, torturing and sucking the blood out of people from the total safety of their mountain bunker. Sure, their rhetoric was the same, but unlike with Pike, they never faced an existential crisis.
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enraged_camel posted:I think he's plenty different though. Half his people were killed fighting the Ice Nation, so he and his folks became who they are out of necessity. Whereas Mt. Weather was capturing, torturing and sucking the blood out of people from the total safety of their mountain bunker. Sure, their rhetoric was the same, but unlike with Pike, they never faced an existential crisis.  Are you serious? Mount Weather's entire existence was an existential crisis. Did you think they were sucking grounder blood for funsies or something?
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Spergatory posted:
 They even mention multiple times how back in the good ole days of Mt. Wx they had people who would refuse treatments. Tell me that place isn't packed with cognitive dissonance and I'll show you an Ice Nation warrior with no tribal scars 
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Spergatory posted:The show did make a pretty big deal about how unusual Lexa was as a Commander. Tribalism is one of humanity's oldest and strongest instincts. At base, shipping is really just another form of tribalism. That's why ship wars are so vicious and weird sometimes. It's spelled tribadism.
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Spergatory posted:
I mean they were getting poisoned by radiation and needed treatment, yes, but they didn't have to imprison people and suck their blood forcefully. They didn't even try to broker a deal with the Grounders. They just exploited their technological superiority. They had a choice and they picked the "evil mountain vampire" side. Even when Kane offered their blood willingly in exchange for the hostilities to stop, Cage declined. Pike's group never had a choice. As soon as they landed, they started getting attacked, so they had to "harden the gently caress up" if you will in order to survive.
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Mar 9, 2016 19:31
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Is there a new episode this week?
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Aphrodite posted:It's spelled tribadism. I approve of this post.
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Aphrodite posted:It's spelled tribadism. 
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zoux posted:Is there a new episode this week? Yeah, but it's going on a break after that. Apparently Clarke might not even be in this coming episode. All Arkadia and Bellamy.
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Mar 10, 2016 01:46
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Why's it going on break?
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Johnny Truant posted:Why's it going on break? mid season break because shows can't go for a full season anymore for whatever reason
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Troposphere posted:mid season break Goddammit I hate this series of words. 
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I have no idea why this show would need to go on break since all filming is done and Jason Rothenberg has apparently watched a cut of the finale.
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Spergatory posted:I have no idea why this show would need to go on break since all filming is done and Jason Rothenberg has apparently watched a cut of the finale. because it's the hot new thing for tv shows to do
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Hot as in steaming hot poo poo. Netflix is the only ones who actually understand the viewer.
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Here in Canada we don't have a network that carries The 100 so I have to wait until Friday morning to watch it (or go to my parents who have some sort of massive cable package that gets them a CW station from Chicago I think). I know we sometimes get ahead on broadcast TV when things like this happens, so I hope Canadian Netflix just keeps on pumping out the episodes.
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Yeah the reason I even asked is because all the other CW shows I watch are on break.
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Do CW shows benefit from delaying important episodes into the sweeps period? Or are they so niche that this doesn't really matter
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Well, the good news is the break can't be longer than two weeks. They've got eight episodes left after this one and the finale is scheduled ten weeks from today.
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hope and vaseline posted:Do CW shows benefit from delaying important episodes into the sweeps period? Or are they so niche that this doesn't really matter I have no idea. The DC comics shows just had a big winter break, come back for a couple of episodes, and break for another month? Also apparently there is some downvote campaign brigade on imdb, The 100 usually scores high eights, low nines but the latest episode has a 4.8. That's not even the episode they're mad about it was the previous one, and that has an 8.7!
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