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Zoness posted:No you see the black card is def the bad guy and the white card is def the good guy here Konda is the good guy because kidnap gods, kidnap masters.
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Count Bleck posted:Black is in fact, not the color of pure, unadulterated evil. And yet the moment Avacyn turns evil, she ceases to be white.
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Mar 9, 2016 22:12
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Konda is the good guy because kidnap gods, kidnap masters. I mean to be fair he was just being used by some ~blue~ people.
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Mar 9, 2016 22:14
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I generally agree with Maro's color pie philosophy musings, but watching him try to square the circle of black being about selfishness and doing things at any cost but not actually evil is hilarious.
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Mar 9, 2016 22:15
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whydirt posted:I generally agree with Maro's color pie philosophy musings, but watching him try to square the circle of black being about selfishness and doing things at any cost but not actually evil is hilarious. in reaching that conclusion he is in popular company given it is not really too far off the philosophy of most rich people black as the color of 'have you read atlas shrugged?'
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Mar 9, 2016 22:19
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Entropic posted:They could still be WR and WU and be evil, which I think would be cooler. They could, but Avacyn is RW now and Bruna has a lot of lightning in her art which is very RU
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whydirt posted:I generally agree with Maro's color pie philosophy musings, but watching him try to square the circle of black being about selfishness and doing things at any cost but not actually evil is hilarious. I started playing kitchen table magic again after many, many years with some officemates. And because I'm a huge goddamn nerd, I started reading about the color pie. Black really gets the shortend of the stick, philosophically. WORLD DOMINATION silliness. There's a whole better way to approach it. If green is the color of the strong eating the weak, and white is the color of the community, then black is simply the opposite: its about the weak eating the strong. Its the color for those swept under the rug by the community (beggars, orphans, refugees, etc). Black is the color that wants to flip the world on its head because the white/green world is unjust, and it will sacrifice everything to do it because it has nothing left to lose. Basically, black is the color of Jesus Christ (and that's not even counting the rising from the dead stuff  )
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Mar 9, 2016 22:31
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Barry Shitpeas posted:They could, but Avacyn is RW now and Bruna has a lot of lightning in her art which is very RU In terms of casting costs for building your deck, avacyn is still mono-white. I'd be unsurprised if we just get another set of four W, RW, UW, GW mythics. With Sorin and Were-walker being the other two multicolor mythics.
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Lottery of Babylon posted:And yet the moment Avacyn turns evil, she ceases to be white. Edit: Also you can do good things for selfish reasons, guys. "I'm gonna volunteer with habitat for humanity because it'll look good on my resume!" is a completely black mana reason for doing something that is quite clearly Good. Yawgmoth fucked around with this message at 22:39 on Mar 9, 2016 |
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Mar 9, 2016 22:35
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Count Bleck posted:Black is in fact, not the color of pure, unadulterated evil. They forgot to put this on cards, no matter how many times maro says it on his podcast.
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Death Bot posted:They forgot to put this on cards, no matter how many times maro says it on his podcast. They got the second half at least, Heliod and Elesh Norn are huge pricks even on cards see also avacynian missionaries/lunarch inquisitors
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Death Bot posted:They forgot to put this on cards, no matter how many times maro says it on his podcast. The only white card I ever looked at and thought "oh you're obviously evil" was Elesh Norn. That isn't really that much of a leap mind you, but I thought it.
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Yawgmoth posted:Edit: Also you can do good things for selfish reasons, guys. "I'm gonna volunteer with habitat for humanity because it'll look good on my resume!" is a completely black mana reason for doing something that is quite clearly Good. Good name/post combination imo. "I'm gonna volunteer to cure the people of phthisis because it'll look good on my resume"
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Madmarker posted:I actually think more of the interest is because standard and modern are so astronomically expensive of late that people wanting to play competitively are seeking other means to get that fix. Pauper too expensive for you to afford? Play the format designed for the poorest of the poor, Bulk (only cards less than $1 are legal)
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dragon enthusiast posted:Pauper too expensive for you to afford? Play the format designed for the poorest of the poor, Bulk (only cards less than $1 are legal) Calling it now, Wizards is trying to kill Bulk
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Mar 9, 2016 22:47
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People always try to come up with formats based on card prices but it's kinda dumb because if one of those formats ever actually got popular, what was legal would change on a daily basis.
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I've talked about this before but I feel like when you associate mana with emotions and motivations rather than spell effects, it gets weird. Sure, you can assert some demographic trends like 'a person who raises zombies is less likely to be an altruist,' but when you leap from there to asserting, as some people do, that the magic system will throw out a general protection fault if an altruist decides to tap a swamp and raise a dead, it becomes kind of dumb imho Also, the black hero/white villain example from Kamigawa is good and cool. Same with Theros block, though again I don't think it came through clearly enough in the cards that Heliod was a massive dick and Erebos was... a relatively chill guy given his portfolio and duties, I think? New Phyrexia is kind of wasted potential. I like that they doubled down on white being the villain, but (if I understand correctly) they pretty much strangled the red Phyrexian subplot in the cradle.
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There have been multiple recent "mtg finance" articles about speculating on pauper and making money on it. That's all.
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Entropic posted:People always try to come up with formats based on card prices but it's kinda dumb because if one of those formats ever actually got popular, what was legal would change on a daily basis. I think my friend only ever played the Standard variant of it (so he could bring jank brews to FNM and feel some bizarre anti-capitalist sense of satisfaction when he beat decks hundreds of times the cost of his), so the legal card pool stayed relatively price invariant between Standard rotations.
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Mar 9, 2016 23:00
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From Avacyn's new card, I would have thought the lore reason for her turning murderous was that someone she was trying to protect died, not "thought of hedrons and turned evil".
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Mar 9, 2016 23:06
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Only crabs have the mental fortitude to handle the hedrons.
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BJPaskoff posted:From Avacyn's new card, I would have thought the lore reason for her turning murderous was that someone she was trying to protect died, not "thought of hedrons and turned evil". Yeah, the red was pointing to that, but it kind of makes sense if this is the angelic equivalent of werewolf lunacy. Her reasoning in this uncharted realms screams every other color except red, but whatever is going on with the moon might be flavored to be red in nature.
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She's red because she deals damage to things.
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I think the thing about the colour pie philosophy is that they represent different things, and differing ideals. We as people decide whether we think they're evil or not. The reason people kinda still think Black doesnt really work for 'good' is that generally people think unbridled selfishness al-la Ayn Rand is kinda bunk. That said that comes from our own biases. Its like with Maro mentioning that Black is also the colour of capitalism and, if you think capitalism is good that might work for you. Its also the colour of individuality and any philosophy that thinks individualism is okay, but not to an extreme, is going to be able to be okay with it to a degree. If you think capitalism is bad then that argument might not work with that, buuuuut thats not the end all be all of black either so it may be redeemable to you. Its all about our personal biases; if we fit into a white aligned or green aligned philosophy then ya we're totally gonna see black as poo poo.
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It would be a hella cool time to reprint blood moon. E: get rekt nerd Bread Set Jettison fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Mar 9, 2016 |
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e: ^^ dammitGimmickMan posted:whatever is going on with the moon might be flavored to be red in nature.  
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Rimusutera posted:I think the thing about the colour pie philosophy is that they represent different things, and differing ideals. We as people decide whether we think they're evil or not. The reason people kinda still think Black doesnt really work for 'good' is that generally people think unbridled selfishness al-la Ayn Rand is kinda bunk. That said that comes from our own biases. Red is the color of individuality. Black is just "the ends justify the means"
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Irony Be My Shield posted:She's red because she deals damage to things.
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Bread Set Jettison posted:Red is the color of individuality. conversely, RW is militant authoritarianism e: the boros are super fascist
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Oh god Ninth Edition draft on MTGO. I'm very sure that is an awesome format and not at all horrible and devoid of value outside of Blood Moon.
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Angry Grimace posted:Oh god Ninth Edition draft on MTGO. Um Worship??????
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Count Bleck posted:Um Worship?????? Next week is Triple Ravnica which actually is devoid of value also, but actually fun. Amusingly enough, the most valuable set of the scheduled flashbacks is Triple Coldsnap. The single pack of Future Sight in full block Time Spiral is decent value too.
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p sure the pick order is something like 1. anaba shaman 2. kill yourself I mean the commons are still better than AVR or DGM levels at least.
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Bread Set Jettison posted:Red is the color of individuality. They both are, actually. Red is about your personal passions, black and about rationalized self interest. Its why they can get along. Rimusutera fucked around with this message at 23:40 on Mar 9, 2016 |
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Fiend Computer posted:The only white card I ever looked at and thought "oh you're obviously evil" was Elesh Norn. That isn't really that much of a leap mind you, but I thought it.  General Varchild from Ice Age is also very clearly a militant nationalist from flavor texts. Lieutenant Kirtar in Odyssey was also a villain but I don't think that comes through at all. I think white might actually the second or third most common for villains. Of course, they're still having problems with the whole "black hero" thing. Elyv fucked around with this message at 23:40 on Mar 9, 2016 |
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GimmickMan posted:Yeah, the red was pointing to that, but it kind of makes sense if this is the angelic equivalent of werewolf lunacy. Her reasoning in this uncharted realms screams every other color except red, but whatever is going on with the moon might be flavored to be red in nature. Isn't Emrakul's only card in BFZ block a red creature? 
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JerryLee posted:Isn't Emrakul's only card in BFZ block a red creature? No. It's colorless
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Zoness posted:Maralen is probably the most heroic mono-B character I can think of actually I always forget about that because I know almost nothing the Lorwyn story except that Oona is the antagonist and Colfenor had some weird plan
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Elyv posted:Of course, they're still having problems with the whole "black hero" thing. A problem shared by popular media
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