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darthbob88 posted:While this may be quote:The Iowas' armor scheme was modeled on that of the preceding South Dakota class, and designed to give a zone of immunity against fire from 16-inch/45-caliber guns between 18,000 and 30,000 yards (16,000 and 27,000 m) away. Your better grade of Russian missile arrives at speeds comparable to the muzzle velocity of a naval cannon, rather than the terminal velocity.
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Last I checked US superheavy shells were the gold standard for shell penetration when the Iowas were kicking, and they were many things but they were Cold War HEAT projectiles. Also angling is vital to immune zones.
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Koramei posted:while you guys are on this again, NK has claimed (not for the first time, mind) to have miniaturized their nukes to the point they could put them in a missile- this time though, with pictures: I hope that gives lil'Un ball cancer
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Koramei posted:while you guys are on this again, NK has claimed (not for the first time, mind) to have miniaturized their nukes to the point they could put them in a missile- this time though, with pictures: No visible connection points for the explosive panels for wires, there are far too many of them, and there are visible gaps in-between each one. They'd have honestly done better to copy the device from that 80s movie "The Manhattan Project," because that looks like a display for a science project.
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Propagandalf posted:Unless they show it next to a pile of enriched uranium big enough to fill that sphere, that's about as threatening as a rolled up newspaper. well you wouldn't want a solid sphere that big (unless you want everyone in the room to die as it goes critical), the trick is to have a hollow sphere that stable and boring but gets compressed into something more interesting when the explosives fire. Looks to me like it could be a mockup or something with all but one of the explosive modules removed, but I can't really comment on if the scale is really feasible (it's certainly much smaller than the gadget was).
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My initial suspicion would be that it's a buoy or pressure vessel of some kind that somebody took a rotary sander to.
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I managed to read the whole of "the last ship". Is the TV series as.. weird? Could have been a really solid book if it didn't spend three quarters of the time making awkward paths around  turf and had the war/other survivors padded out a bit. Least it was nowhere near as bad as "the third world war" which was just a loving awful failed attempt at clancy fanwank airport fiction that even blueballs you on the apocalypse you end up wishing would just loving happen by the end of the third page. C.M. Kruger posted:My initial suspicion would be that it's a buoy or pressure vessel of some kind that somebody took a rotary sander to. I swear the other half of that thing was hanging from the ceiling of my aunt's place with a lightbulb in it somewhere around the late 80's
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DesperateDan posted:I managed to read the whole of "the last ship". Is the TV series as.. weird? I haven't read the book, but it's not weird that I can tell. The science is the usual Hollywood mockery of biology, but otherwise I haven't noticed anything particularly problematic. I mean it's about as  murica rah rah as it gets, but that's just to be expected (and it does it in a satisfying, the-way--it-should-be sort of way).If I had to compare it to anything, it'd be like a patriot-porn version of Star Trek: TOS.
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Propagandalf posted:Unless they show it next to a pile of enriched uranium big enough to fill that sphere, that's about as threatening as a rolled up newspaper.
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Kesper North posted:If I had to compare it to anything, it'd be like a patriot-porn version of Star Trek: TOS. Yeah, best description I've heard is "Star Trek, but not in space"
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Mar 9, 2016 20:58
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Thought this was interesting: Demonstration of microdrone deployment from a fighter's flare pod.  https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...d-drone-swarms/
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Mar 9, 2016 21:15
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https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/usaf-studying-future-attack-aircraft-options-422936/ Hahaha
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Cat Mattress posted:https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/usaf-studying-future-attack-aircraft-options-422936/ I forge who ran the article today, but apparently someone found a couple of functional OV-10s and has been using them against ISIS.
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Mar 10, 2016 00:18
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Propagandalf posted:I forge who ran the article today, but apparently someone found a couple of functional OV-10s and has been using them against ISIS. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/03/09/why-is-america-using-these-antique-planes-to-fight-isis.html?via=mobile&source=email
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Mar 10, 2016 16:19
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Poor dudes who got stuck inside that as it sank like a rock. DD Sherman off Normandy? It doesn't look like it has "all the stuff" a DD would though.
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Mar 10, 2016 16:32
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I was driving underneath the normal takeoff/landing path at Centennial, CO's little municipal airport last night when an F/A 18 screamed overhead in a low, banked turn with the burners lit. It was dusk, so it really made my night. Sadly, I didn't get a pic because I was driving... Here's a Bronco, because Broncos are cool.  E: post the image, not the page Faster Blaster fucked around with this message at 16:40 on Mar 10, 2016 |
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Mar 10, 2016 16:37
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Dark Helmut posted:Poor dudes who got stuck inside that as it sank like a rock. DD Sherman off Normandy? It doesn't look like it has "all the stuff" a DD would though. My guess is loading/unloading mishap, so I doubt there'd be anyone inside. There's an escape hatch on the bottom in case there was, however.
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Mar 10, 2016 16:45
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Was there ever a two engine COIN/CAS plane like the Bronco which had a turret on the back of the center fuselage to shoot at the ground? I remember seeing something like that but I could be mixing up my crimson skies with reality.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:My guess is loading/unloading mishap, so I doubt there'd be anyone inside. There's an escape hatch on the bottom in case there was, however. Probably this. It looks pretty close to the surface...maybe it's a trick of editing though. But there are thousands of tanks, jeeps, trucks, and aircraft that were literally pushed over the side of ships rather than bringing them home after the war. It could be one of those with the contrast and coloring edited.
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Mar 10, 2016 16:54
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ughhhh posted:Was there ever a two engine COIN/CAS plane like the Bronco which had a turret on the back of the center fuselage to shoot at the ground? I remember seeing something like that but I could be mixing up my crimson skies with reality. Are you thinking of the Black Widow? Not CAS though
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Godholio posted:Probably this. It looks pretty close to the surface...maybe it's a trick of editing though. But there are thousands of tanks, jeeps, trucks, and aircraft that were literally pushed over the side of ships rather than bringing them home after the war. It could be one of those with the contrast and coloring edited. A lot of older stuff gets dumped too because it's a good base for reef growth.
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ughhhh posted:Was there ever a two engine COIN/CAS plane like the Bronco which had a turret on the back of the center fuselage to shoot at the ground? I remember seeing something like that but I could be mixing up my crimson skies with reality. Yeah, there was.  wikipedia posted:The U.S. Marine Corps YOV-10D Night Observation Gunship System (NOGS) program modified two OV-10As (BuNo 155395 and BuNo 155396) to include a turreted forward looking infrared (FLIR) sensor, laser target designator and turreted 20 mm (.79 in) XM197 gun slaved to the FLIR aimpoint. NOGS succeeded in Vietnam, but funds to convert more aircraft were not approved. NOGS evolved into the NOS OV-10D, which included a laser designator, but no gun.
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Mr. Despair posted:Yeah, there was. Well that seems incredible. Put a bushmaster II under there instead and some Griffins on the wings and you have 75% of a Harvest Hawk. Mazz fucked around with this message at 18:09 on Mar 10, 2016 |
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Mr. Despair posted:Yeah, there was. Amazing. I'm surprised there arnt more wierd planes with turrets shoot the ground like that.
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ughhhh posted:Amazing. I'm surprised there arnt more wierd planes with turrets shoot the ground like that.  
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Mar 10, 2016 18:27
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Mazz posted:Well that seems incredible. Put a bushmaster II under there instead and some Griffins on the wings and you have 75% of a Harvest Hawk. I also want to know what metric the Marines used to define "success."
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Dead Reckoning posted:I also want to know what metric the Marines used to define "success." Retired marine officers employed by contractor and redundancy with Navy projects.
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Mar 10, 2016 18:39
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Dead Reckoning posted:Except with less endurance, less survivability, and the inability to go back to hauling cargo when you realize you've made a huge mistake. Their continued existence in the face of all logic.
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Sometimes you look at things built in WWII and become convinced they were just created so you could troll people in War Thunder 70 years later. hobbesmaster fucked around with this message at 19:34 on Mar 10, 2016 |
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These things happen when you are in an existential conflict against a genocidal power. I'm sure that kind of setup is abysmally sub-optmal for all kinds of reasons (magazine capacity of the guns and accuracy of that kind of strafing run are the obvious one) but when you're gently caress out of bombs but still have pilots, gas, and germans to shoot at it's better than nothing. See also: those USN dive bombers dropping depth charges on Japanese battleships or just making dummy runs to get them to try and dodge during the Battle of Samar.
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:It is exactly that. In a 1 to 1 comparison neither of them had much ability to shoot down the other's missiles. TLAM-N was a sea skimmer, or at least could be used as one, and that pretty much rules out everything aside from the AK-630 and maybe the SA-N-6 depending on how low they flew the TLAMs and how close they got before being picked out. The AK-630 was apparent pretty bad at tracking and actually hitting things and while there had been programs to fix or replace the system in the works for like 20 years it wasn't done until the Kashtan was finally slapped on there. Meanwhile the Iowa had a decent CIWS and a sea sparrow of varying effectiveness but not a whole lot of them and with a pretty small envelope to engage. Warbadger fucked around with this message at 19:42 on Mar 10, 2016 |
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The biggest problem with the bomb bay full of tommy guns other than accuracy and effectiveness of relatively small, slow rounds is that it weights a fuckton and you have to fly back to base with all that metal still in the bomb bay. Now you need more fuel to get home, which means that you need more fuel to get there...
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Dead Reckoning posted:Except with less endurance, less survivability, and the inability to go back to hauling cargo when you realize you've made a huge mistake. If anything, I suppose the laser designator wound up being handy considering that bit stuck around.
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Not sure what you mean by that, since it's not as though we were slinging LGBs on the regular at any point in Vietnam.
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Warbadger posted:In a 1 to 1 comparison neither of them had much ability to shoot down the other's missiles. TLAM-N was a sea skimmer, or at least could be used as one, and that pretty much rules out everything aside from the AK-630 and maybe the SA-N-6 depending on how low they flew the TLAMs and how close they got before being picked out. The AK-630 was apparent pretty bad at tracking and actually hitting things and while there had been programs to fix or replace the system in the works for like 20 years it wasn't done until the Kashtan was finally slapped on there. Wikipedia mentions the Iowas also packed a dozen or so harpoons.
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TCD posted:Wikipedia mentions the Iowas also packed a dozen or so harpoons. Harpoons on a surface vessel were for shooting at poo poo like Libyan fast attack boats in the absence of adequate air cover. If a Russian ship larger than a Udaloy got within the firing envelope of them, it'd be because someone hosed up royally or because both sides had expended all of their better SSMs. Harpoons launched from aircraft and submarines made more sense, but they still were never ideal weapons.
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Wait, was that contraption actually supposed to be fired in-flight? I assumed it was an arrangement for airdropping weapons to partisan units or something.
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.