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Aphrodite posted:Oh no everyone who cherry picks episodes of a TV season based on IMDB ratings is going to skip it. Hell hath no fury like a shipper scorned. I only found out because some guy on r/tv was asking if the 100 was worth it because he noticed that the latest episode had half the rating of the previous one and was wondering if the show had jumped the shark or something.
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hope and vaseline posted:Do CW shows benefit from delaying important episodes into the sweeps period? Or are they so niche that this doesn't really matter Sweeps has nothing to do with what benefits the shows, it's to set advertising rates for the next year. It doesn't matter how niche your viewership is, you want maximum number of eyeballs in front of the screen when that happens.
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Mar 10, 2016 17:42
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Lexa fans legitimately want to see the show cancelled now. This whole campaign has officially moved from the realm of "unhappy fans voicing their opinions" to "shrieking children smashing their own toys in a temper tantrum." EDIT: And I loving guarantee you that if they succeed, the takeaway will not be "oh, we better treat our gay characters better!" It will be "don't even bother courting gay fans, they're loving crazy and will turn on you at the drop of a hat." Nothing shoots itself in the foot quite like tumblr social justice. 
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Mar 10, 2016 18:17
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hollylolly posted:
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Mar 10, 2016 18:29
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Spergatory posted:Lexa fans legitimately want to see the show cancelled now. This whole campaign has officially moved from the realm of "unhappy fans voicing their opinions" to "shrieking children smashing their own toys in a temper tantrum." They won't succeed. The ratings for last week were actually up a tenth over the week before. It's an extremely small but extremely vocal minority.
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Mar 10, 2016 18:30
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zoux posted:They won't succeed. The ratings for last week were actually up a tenth over the week before. It's an extremely small but extremely vocal minority. But last week was when she died. So we haven't seen the response to it yet.
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Mar 10, 2016 18:34
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:But last week was when she died. So we haven't seen the response to it yet. I could've sworn it was two weeks ago...but nope it was Thursday. This has been a longer week than I thought 
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Mar 10, 2016 18:36
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zoux posted:It's an extremely small but extremely vocal minority. This is something I have to remind myself of every time something blows up on the internet. Most people just don't give a poo poo. I hope the show-runners weather the vocal criticism though. The writers of 'Arrow' caved to their screaming fans, and the show has been going downhill all season for it.
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Mar 10, 2016 18:44
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If ratings are dropping its probably because someone decided this season needed to be "WOPR vs Skynet: Does anyone have a working tic-tac-toe program?"
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FELD1 posted:This is something I have to remind myself of every time something blows up on the internet. Most people just don't give a poo poo. I hope the show-runners weather the vocal criticism though. The writers of 'Arrow' caved to their screaming fans, and the show has been going downhill all season for it. I wasn't aware there was Arrow controversy this season. What did they cave to?
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Azhais posted:If ratings are dropping its probably because someone decided this season needed to be "WOPR vs Skynet: Does anyone have a working tic-tac-toe program?" They aren't.
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qbert posted:I wasn't aware there was Arrow controversy this season. What did they cave to? They had Felicity and Oliver get together, but that's hardly the issue. The issue is the writers can't find anything better to do than have Felicity be a full time  when it comes to keeping secrets
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Apparently the showrunner lost 15000 followers or something as part of their campaign. That's an insignificant number. It's like a tenth of a tenth of a ratings point if they're all 18-34. qbert posted:I wasn't aware there was Arrow controversy this season. What did they cave to? Additionally, there are set photos from the episode which presumably reveals who dies this season, and if they are what they seem it means the showrunners are very dumb.
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Spergatory posted:Lexa fans legitimately want to see the show cancelled now. This whole campaign has officially moved from the realm of "unhappy fans voicing their opinions" to "shrieking children smashing their own toys in a temper tantrum." Nah, still fans voicing their opinions, just weird and bad opinions that don't make sense.
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Aphrodite posted:Apparently the showrunner lost 15000 followers or something as part of their campaign. And that's only if they actually quit watching.
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Truth be told it's a little strange how worked up people get over this, but I guess I wasn't as exclusively invested in Lexa as others were? I liked her and agreed it sucked when she died (not on a cataclysmic level just the way you feel when a character you like dies) but the show ran for a while without her being a significant character, what were those people enjoying before Lexa came around?
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MMM Whatchya Say posted:Truth be told it's a little strange how worked up people get over this, but I guess I wasn't as exclusively invested in Lexa as others were? I liked her and agreed it sucked when she died (not on a cataclysmic level just the way you feel when a character you like dies) but the show ran for a while without her being a significant character, what were those people enjoying before Lexa came around? most of them began watching the show because they heard about Lexa
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Mar 10, 2016 19:22
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Troposphere posted:most of them began watching the show because they heard about Lexa I think I have to accept that I'll ever be able to wrap my head around people like this, or the people who stop watching a show if their favourite character dies, or people on tumblr or twitter. Oh well, to each their own I guess.
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Azhais posted:If ratings are dropping its probably because someone decided this season needed to be "WOPR vs Skynet: Does anyone have a working tic-tac-toe program?" The way the AI works with the Commander's blood means you have to scratch the game into her abs.
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I think a lot of you are failing to grasp the point that there are not many lesbian characters on television and certainly not many that are important to the plot and who have relationships with the main character people can't just go oh well guess I'll just change the channel to another show that has this because it doesn't exist. that's why they're angry.
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Johnny Truant posted:I think I have to accept that I'll ever be able to wrap my head around people like this, or the people who stop watching a show if their favourite character dies, or people on tumblr or twitter. Oh well, to each their own I guess. I can understand no longer watching a show if the main things that are interesting to you stop being there. Whether it's a character or whatever else.
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Troposphere posted:I think a lot of you are failing to grasp the point that there are not many lesbian characters on television and certainly not many that are important to the plot and who have relationships with the main character No we get that but since the alternative is to never ever kill off an lgbt character even if the actor leaves the show or we riot, it's absurd. Johnny Truant posted:I think I have to accept that I'll ever be able to wrap my head around people like this, or the people who stop watching a show if their favourite character dies, or people on tumblr or twitter. Oh well, to each their own I guess. This happens all the time though. AV Club even had a Q&A about it the other day.
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Troposphere posted:I think a lot of you are failing to grasp the point that there are not many lesbian characters on television and certainly not many that are important to the plot and who have relationships with the main character You've made that abundantly clear. I guess I don't understand why people need to relate to the entertainment they watch. Like, gently caress, I relate to none of the characters on House of Cards but I eat that poo poo up. MMM Whatchya Say posted:I can understand no longer watching a show if the main things that are interesting to you stop being there. Whether it's a character or whatever else. No I agree with you here, like if Lexa dying is The 100's sharkjump and the show is literally FTWD quality afterwards. But people crying about this poo poo just seem immature to me. zoux posted:This happens all the time though. AV Club even had a Q&A about it the other day. Oh, really? I'll have to find that, maybe it can shed some light on this for me.
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It's okay for people to be mad. If Arrow goes through with the rumors I'm going to be mad at them. The problem is the people having a normal response to a character they like being killed off are being crowded out by the crazies trying to get the show canceled, attacking people on Twitter, trying to do ratings bombs, etc. Or worse than all that watching Fear the Walking Dead instead.
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I think it makes sense to be disappointed and even angry, but there's only so far that can really go. They gave Lexa a good arc and her death is a significant plot affecting event not just a cheap shock moment for another character's development (though I guess we don't really know what's going to happen wrt Clarke and Titus on that end.) Her death could have been better, happening right after the sex scene reeked of getting stuff out of the way so they could kill her and the little comedy of errors death was pretty cliche. Like I understand fan resentment, and think those are some good points. I guess the disconnect for me is I don't think the show was ever really about Lexa, but for a lot of fans it was.
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Johnny Truant posted:You've made that abundantly clear. I guess I don't understand why people need to relate to the entertainment they watch. Like, gently caress, I relate to none of the characters on House of Cards but I eat that poo poo up. http://www.avclub.com/article/what-show-did-you-quit-watching-after-character-yo-232572 Also I did a bit of research into "Bury Your Gays" after last week. Common dramatic devices like the Bechdel test, fridging, black guys die first and so on usually have some quantified scholarship so we're not just relying on viewers' anecdotal data. Everything recent I can find on BYG is from tvtropes or tumblr, but I did find this blog entry that tries to integrate BYG into existing Queer Theory and here's how they define it: " The T.V. trope ‘Bury your gays’ follows the format of painting a tragic tale of an individual struggling against an oppressive society which either directly kills the individual or pushes them to murder. Mulholland Dr., Cruising, Cloud Atlas, Brideshead Revisited, and shockingly Nine Dead Gay Guys (to name a few) all follow this rough format." Does that sound like what happened on The 100? I don't have an issue with talking about lack of representation on TV or the ways in which characters representing irl marginalized populations are poorly served by straight white dominated media companies, but I can't stand it when people try to take a subjective narrative decision and try to make it objective by labeling it problematic. It's harmful to the cause of equality and acceptance, because the next time The 100 writers have an opportunity to make a character gay, I bet they think twice.
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MMM Whatchya Say posted:I guess the disconnect for me is I don't think the show was ever really about Lexa, but for a lot of fans it was. Fans are loving nuts. I think the leads from Supernatural get literal death threats, and I read a story that some fan tried to get the actor's wife kicked out of a con by telling security she was a hooker or something? Yeah, Lexa getting killed off is a bummer, even if it's a bummer that has a valid reason (it's hardly a fridging) but that doesn't matter to the literal crazy people we're talking about.
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zoux posted:http://www.avclub.com/article/what-show-did-you-quit-watching-after-character-yo-232572 This is a good post and you are a cool person!
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I'd say that describes the situation pretty well, considering lexa's whole thing was her getting over costia's death and her "love is weakness" mindset, but as soon as she did and the love was reciprocated she died
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Troposphere posted:I'd say that describes the situation pretty well, considering lexa's whole thing was her getting over costia's death and her "love is weakness" mindset, but as soon as she did and the love was reciprocated she died Nope.
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Love doesn't mean Sex. She's clearly loved Clarke for a while now, and has been a pretty lovely leader because of it.
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zoux posted:Nope. yep.
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If the leader of a society is openly gay, then that is not an oppressive society in the BYG sense. The show goes out of its way to show how unremarkable it is to not be straight.
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zoux posted:If the leader of a society is openly gay, then that is not an oppressive society in the BYG sense. and that is one person's opinion on what the trope means I've always seen it used as "gays must be tragic and can't be happy".
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Troposphere posted:and that is one person's opinion on what the trope means Gee you must have hated the 100 from day one then huh.
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zoux posted:Gee you must have hated the 100 from day one then huh. what? no...
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So I started reading the tumblr and twitter craziness and holy poo poo.
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Rhyno posted:So I started reading the tumblr and twitter craziness and holy poo poo. Never use social media IMO
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Troposphere posted:what? no... But everyone is unhappy and tragic all the time? That's the reason that "gay people can't be unhappy or it's a trope" is loving stupid because it creates a separate class of character that is immune to the rules of storytelling, which are rules because they create compelling and interesting characters. What you are complaining about is actually better for LGBT representation than an absurd contextless moratorium on drama because the shipping echochamber on the internet has tried to appropriate another critical paradigm they understand at the most superficial level.
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