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Majorian posted:Don't you EVER suggest that a comedian could turn into Doug Stanhope. That's a horrible thing to say. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dT1AHDjzcsQ
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Majorian posted:I think it's a pretty mild shift overall though - it mostly seems to be a disenchantment with internet callout culture, which I think is understandable, even if I don't 100% agree with it. It's slow, yes, but I don't think there's a limit to how far right he'll go given enough time. He started exhibiting a general get-off-my-lawn style discomfort with new ideas around the time he hit 40. I don't think he's a bad person though and we've probably talked about him too much. Back to the horrorshow of Cruz's america.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:It's slow, yes, but I don't think there's a limit to how far right he'll go given enough time. He started exhibiting a general get-off-my-lawn style discomfort with new ideas around the time he hit 40. I don't think he's a bad person though and we've probably talked about him too much. Back to the horrorshow of Cruz's america. Yeah, but keep in mind, most of the comedians that swung far-right, did so around the time of major events like 9/11. Some of my friends know him personally, and they say his heart is pure, so eh. I'm not too concerned that I'll ever have to stop liking him.  But yeah, that's another discussion for another time obviously.
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Mar 10, 2016 21:15
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Looks like Patton Oswalt's slow transition from callow liberal comic to bitter conservative comic is right on schedule. Looking forward to watching him cross the Dennis Miller threshhold sometime late 2017.
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Mar 10, 2016 21:17
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Majorian posted:major events like 9/11. Trump opening the Hellmouth would probably qualify
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Mar 10, 2016 21:17
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Majorian posted:Yeah, but keep in mind, most of the comedians that swung far-right, did so around the time of major events like 9/11. Some of my friends know him personally, and they say his heart is pure, so eh. I'm not too concerned that I'll ever have to stop liking him. I love Patton, and his comedy holds a high place in my heart. I just wasn't thrilled with the tweet honestly. rudatron posted:Ted Cruz is a genuinely worse human being, to the point where old college associates hated him. You cant' say that about Trump. I can see people at least having good things to say about Trump. Friends, Family, etc. Like we're not seeing a Ron Reagan or Patricia Reagan situation with his family oddly enough.
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FuzzySkinner posted:I love Patton, and his comedy holds a high place in my heart. Yeah, neither did I, to be fair. Not a particularly deep reading.
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Mar 10, 2016 21:21
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the trump tutelage posted:He's right though. Basically every candidate running except maybe Bernie Sanders is human filth. Given the options and relative silence on the other candidates, the inordinate criticism of Trump's "policies" are nothing more than tone policing. Tone policing: complaining about explicit racism
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Mar 10, 2016 21:32
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Badger of Basra posted:Tone policing: complaining about explicit racism Trump's one comment about illegal immigrants got more coverage than some candidate's entire Presidential campaigns while Cruz attending a rally with the "kill the gays" pastor got ZERO coverage from mainstream news media, NONE. It was only covered on gay news websites and the Rachel Maddow show. They don't care about racism or sexism or homophobia, they care about ratings. Therefor they basically just cover Trump all day and as a result dumb low-info liberals barely even know there are other candidates running. MaxxBot fucked around with this message at 21:52 on Mar 10, 2016 |
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Mar 10, 2016 21:49
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Badger of Basra posted:Tone policing: complaining about explicit racism Is explicit racism not better than implicit racism? At least then we can argue what they actually believe instead of giving them the opportunity cloak their hate in dogwhistles and act like everyone else is just playing the race card when called out on it.
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Mar 10, 2016 21:59
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bango skank posted:Is explicit racism not better than implicit racism? At least then we can argue what they actually believe instead of giving them the opportunity cloak their hate in dogwhistles and act like everyone else is just playing the race card when called out on it. yep, one of the key aspects of dogwhistle is plausible deniability and then turning it around to call the accuser the real racist
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Mar 10, 2016 22:03
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bango skank posted:Is explicit racism not better than implicit racism? At least then we can argue what they actually believe instead of giving them the opportunity cloak their hate in dogwhistles and act like everyone else is just playing the race card when called out on it. Maybe, but they still deny it. There's no racism so explicit people won't defend it as non-racist.
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Mar 10, 2016 22:09
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bango skank posted:Is explicit racism not better than implicit racism? By definition, no.
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Mar 10, 2016 22:09
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Majorian posted:You both are reading way too much into Patton Oswalt's tweet fyi. He's wrong about Cruz, but it's really dumb to see a rightward shift in his views just because of this tweet and the fact that he hates Salon. He spends all of his free time listening to old Opie & Anthony clips so it's only a matter of time before he drifts from 'loving pc speech police' to 'loving s.j.w liberals' (edit Hold on, s.j.w is in the word filter now?) InsanityIsCrazy posted:You either die Mitch Hedburg, or you live long enough to see yourself become Doug Stanhope Doug Stanhope's still awesome. He's stopped taking himself so serious, moved to a trailer in Bisbee and surrounded himself with insane people. His podcast is some of the best cringe radio around.
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Mar 10, 2016 22:28
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Where "disagreeing with neoliberal policies on labor migration" is == "racism", of course.
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Mar 10, 2016 22:33
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Maoist Pussy posted:Where "disagreeing with neoliberal policies on labor migration" is == "racism", of course. Accusations of racism are largely a signaling mechanism for middle class whites to declare their superiority to lower class whites. It's performative.
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Mar 10, 2016 22:41
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rakovsky maybe posted:Accusations of racism are largely a signaling mechanism for middle class whites to declare their superiority to lower class whites. It's performative. Mmm, yes. hosed up if true.
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Mar 10, 2016 22:42
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FuzzySkinner posted:Patton Oswalt @pattonoswalt 2h2 hours ago I am surprised that even oswalt doesnt see that. Cruz is pretty much everything he hates.
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Mar 10, 2016 23:16
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Racism is a lot like herpes. Everybody has been exposed, and not showing symptoms is proof of nothing.
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Here. Here's some of ted cruz's greatest hits. (Some of these are from TYT. I know some people aren't thrilled with them, but they're to prove a point.) Here's a Ted Cruz supporter that is as vehemently racist as any person that has tweeted support at trump. Bonus? HE'S FEATURED ON THEIR WEBSITE AND HAS STUFF BEING SOLD BY THE TED CRUZ CAMPAIGN. A man that uses the words "friend of the family", calls black people "monkey's", etc on his twitter profile. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KWfYvYEBns Ted Cruz's father on African Americans, LGBT, President Obama and other topics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJ4jN8bPHPs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFKMBFkbnTM Ted Cruz admiring Jesse Helms https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsIeEcRXjTQ Ted Cruz's father discussing how Ted is anointed by God to bring up on the end of the world. Seriously. WATCH. THIS. CLIP. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecmcK0SHhzs Ted Cruz talking about how there's a gay jihad going on in this country. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUxzZzMkvuc Ted Cruz bragging about how after Sandy Hook? He stood in the way of any sort of action being taken following that horrific attack. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ted-cruz-obamacare-iowa_us_56ad66a1e4b077d4fe8e6396 Ted Cruz being confronted by a man asking what he's planning to do after repealing Obamacare. I'm likely just scratching the surface here, but Ted Cruz is an unbelievable poo poo bag of a human being. And I've never seen one reporter challenge him on this. When he's challenged? He does the same exact thing trump does...perhaps even worse. He pouts and claims that it's the "LIBERAL MEDIA" and then how everything in unfair. He never answers the question asked or even offers some form of a solution. edit: Case in point? Check out this interview he does with Chris Wallace when Chris challenges him on his dirty politics. How does he respond? "Well you're using Donald Trump talking points!!!!!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sojrdion3Uw FuzzySkinner fucked around with this message at 00:00 on Mar 11, 2016 |
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Mar 10, 2016 23:39
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FuzzySkinner posted:Here. Here's some of ted cruz's greatest hits. But isn't it a little encouraging that he's actually too horrible for even republicans to like him? Like I wish they drew the line at Trump if not well before, but at least now we've seen where the boundary is.
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rakovsky maybe posted:Accusations of racism are largely a signaling mechanism for middle class whites to declare their superiority to lower class whites. It's performative. Finally some truth. And getting beaten up at Trump rallies is just a signalling mechanism for blacks to declare their superiority to lower class whites. It's performative and it makes me sick too, OP
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:But isn't it a little encouraging that he's actually too horrible for even republicans to like him? Like I wish they drew the line at Trump if not well before, but at least now we've seen where the boundary is. Not really. Cruz is a wretched excuse for a human being, but the GOP hates him more for the fact that he's a backstabbing dick to them specifically than the rest of his miserable character so they don't score points for that. rakovsky maybe posted:Accusations of racism are largely a signaling mechanism for middle class whites to declare their superiority to lower class whites. It's performative. And this right here is a prime example of why the racism in this country has grown so much over the years. People know they can hide their intentions behind the veil of class warfare or pseudo-intellectual nonsense to avoid having to admit to wrongdoing. It's the perfect way to protect your pride and insulate yourself from introspection by devaluing all negative connotations of the word racism by labeling any claim or evidence of it as nothing but a scam of a nebulous "elite". It lets you watch a man be assaulted for his skin color, then beaten and arrested by police while the actual perpetrator smugly states his intentions to kill him next time and go about your day without having to question the turn of events at all. Geostomp fucked around with this message at 01:31 on Mar 11, 2016 |
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Badger of Basra posted:Tone policing: complaining about explicit racism My point was that Trump is attacked as though he's uniquely terrible; as though what he stands for is atypical of U.S. politics. He's not. He's no more repulsive than any of the other GOP contenders once you get over his hype, and unlike Hillary Clinton, he hasn't actively projected American hard power and promoted imperialist adventures. e. If you're a GOP who is uniquely disturbed by Trump, it's probably a tone argument. If you're a Democrat who is uniquely disturbed by Trump, you're probably just a fool. unlimited shrimp fucked around with this message at 01:54 on Mar 11, 2016 |
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Geostomp posted:Not really. Cruz is a wretched excuse for a human being, but the GOP hates him more for the fact that he's a backstabbing dick to them specifically than the rest of his miserable character so they don't score points for that. Cruz keeps getting endorsements from people like Dana Loesch, Mark Levin, Glenn Beck, Matt Walsh, and Steven Crowder. The GOP base hates him, sure. The John Boehner's, John McCain's, Lindsay Graham's, and Mitch McConnell's of the world are not fans of the guy. The wing nut base? Love him. This is a guy who considers "compromising" with people as being the equivalent of being a socialist. Which is what makes Patton's comments even more incorrect. You CAN actually reason with Trump. He's a guy that's into making deals and has done so his entire life. Cruz? He's not interested in that. He wants the purest most vile form of conservatism possible with no room for compassion and no room for compromise. To quote what Craig Mazin (his freshman roommate) just tweeted at me: "Smart and evil [cruz] is soooo much worse than dumb and evil. [trump]" FuzzySkinner fucked around with this message at 02:11 on Mar 11, 2016 |
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the trump tutelage posted:unlike Hillary Clinton, he hasn't actively projected American hard power and promoted imperialist adventures. This is a uniquely stupid argument. There are literally thousands of politicians who are awful reactionary pieces of poo poo who are far worse ppl who have not projected hard power like HRC, which is due entirely to their lack of position and should never be considered when they run for national office.
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menino posted:There are literally thousands of politicians who are awful reactionary pieces of poo poo who are far worse ppl who have not projected hard power like HRC, which is due entirely to their lack of position and should never be considered when they run for national office.
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I do have a morbid curiosity about what Cruz would actually do as President as it's literally impossible to be President without making deals unless you have 60+ senate seats and a house majority. Would he just leave the government permanently shut down?
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the trump tutelage posted:That's true. What's your point? Does it make Hillary Clinton less of a disgusting imperialist pig? It makes here less of an imperialist compared to the other choice, yes. Who's more dangerous in the White House, Samantha Power or Rudy Giuliani?
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menino posted:It makes here less of an imperialist compared to the other choice, yes. Who's more dangerous in the White House, Samantha Power or Rudy Giuliani? Both? At least the American left seems to magically find a spine when neocons are the ones running the adventurism biz.
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Whitecloak posted:Both? At least the American left seems to magically find a spine when neocons are the ones running the adventurism biz. I would say Power isn't' close. The fact that she's an interventionist with a FP record doesn't make her more dangerous than an actual neocon
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The American left: notably successful at stopping imperialist adventures when neocons are running the show, elect more neocons
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MaxxBot posted:I do have a morbid curiosity about what Cruz would actually do as President as it's literally impossible to be President without making deals unless you have 60+ senate seats and a house majority. Would he just leave the government permanently shut down? I think that's the closest thing to the truth about the future that I have read anywhere. Fanaticism has brought the republican party to where it is now. The refusal to compromise and work things out has spiraled out of control, to the point where it's a huge deal when two heroic congressionals come together and agree that they both profoundly hate something but have to do it. They have lost sight of the fact that debate was at the heart of our society and that compromise for the greater good is required to make things work. Now, mainstream media pushes that preaching is at the heart of our society, and that refusing to play ball because the other team has girls or gays or blacks on it.
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VitalSigns posted:The American left: notably successful at stopping imperialist adventures when neocons are running the show, elect more neocons I'm not suggesting vote the War Party, just that hard interventionalist centrists rankle me more inside than their overtly mustache twirling counterparts. NPR 'liberalism' gets me way angrier than anything the alt right asshats put out. Not suggesting the alt right asshats aren't awful, but having the 'left' of acceptable Serious Discourse fall firmly in the internationalist/interventionist camp hits way closer to home. Whitecloak fucked around with this message at 02:49 on Mar 11, 2016 |
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menino posted:It makes here less of an imperialist compared to the other choice, yes. Who's more dangerous in the White House, Samantha Power or Rudy Giuliani?
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Solfrann posted:I think that's the closest thing to the truth about the future that I have read anywhere. I'm curious if the Republicans realize exactly what lead to making the monster they have now? Like, if they manage to get this under control again, will they keep making the same mistake of pushing fanatics for cheap, reliable votes or actually manage to tone it down a little out of pure self-interest?
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Geostomp posted:I'm curious if the Republicans realize exactly what lead to making the monster they have now? Like, if they manage to get this under control again, will they keep making the same mistake of pushing fanatics for cheap, reliable votes or actually manage to tone it down a little out of pure self-interest? Without the fanatics what party do they have? Between disaffected blue collars comprising in near 40% of the base and Tea Partiers being another third, there isn't much Republican party left. By and large the fabled moderate Republicans are the establishment supporting Dems.
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Geostomp posted:I'm curious if the Republicans realize exactly what lead to making the monster they have now? Like, if they manage to get this under control again, will they keep making the same mistake of pushing fanatics for cheap, reliable votes or actually manage to tone it down a little out of pure self-interest? I have to believe that there are senior people in the republican party that will realize this and that this will prove a wakeup call. That America might actually elect a criminal or a socialist rather than any republican, because of how poorly this is going.
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Geostomp posted:And this right here is a prime example of why the racism in this country has grown so much over the years. I remember back in the good old days, when nobody had ever heard of racism. Maoist Pussy fucked around with this message at 05:14 on Mar 11, 2016 |
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Hearing the actual POLICIES of Cruz and Rubio. goddamn. Let's be real, their tax policies favor the rich even more than Trump's (Get rid of the IRS? A flat tax? ARE YOU loving KIDDING ME!?). Their stance on immigration is hypocritical (VIA THEIR OWN WORDS THEIR FATHERS WOULD NOT BE UNITED STATES CITIZENS!), and did anyone HEAR what they had to say about what they want to do social security? Privatize and raise the age on us Millenials? Jesus. Trump is loving RICH and he's not even on that level of "gently caress you got mine". That's loving sad. The conservative/tea party/ted cruz portion of the party cannot die off fast enough as far as I'm concerned. Unfuckingreal. Sorry to vent, but just hearing those idiots talk has made me far more angry than anything Trump has ever said. FuzzySkinner fucked around with this message at 05:27 on Mar 11, 2016 |
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