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Tunga posted:Multitasking in the N Preview seems horribly unintuitive in terms of what the home and overview buttons do in various different states. There also doesn't seem to be any way to swap the content of the left side of the screen, only the right. Nice idea and the Pixel feels really good with two apps up but the mechanics of organising/managing what it is on the screen needs a lot of work. I don't know, I think they did a pretty good job without making it overly complex. A lot of reviews thus far have been praising it for being far more intuitive than Samsung's implementation and more functional than Apple's Home seems pretty standard if you are in split view. The primary app (always on the left or top) slides out of the way so you can select a new secondary app. Also, while there's no button to swap, you can do so in pretty much two actions. Just drag the right app's window to the left so it's the only app, then re-select the app that was previously primary from the overview button to put it on the right. The real missing killer feature is the inability to have chrome split across two sides. You can fake it by doing chrome beta in one and chrome stable in the other, but that's not as elegant. So far, most things seem to be working well. As Ars pointed out, Android actually has a distinct advantage over Apple with respect to split screen since there are so many resolutions and aspect ratios already out there. So, as long as the apps flow well normally for all screen types, there aren't that many quirks to be had. Facebook, of course, stands out as one that doesn't work properly. They added a landscape view awhile ago which ads a 2nd column for suggestions and such and it seems to be hard-coded to show up in landscape regardless of what the window size is. It would be nice to be able to shrink it down to 1/3rd of the screen while other stuff is done in the 2/3rds area, but the layout breaks at that point. This then goes back to "wouldn't it be nice if I could run chrome side by side with itself so I could use the mobile site?" Anyways, I would suspect that apps that use hard coded orientations to break with split screen as they are going to try to use a landscape layout on a window that is likely more portrait in orientation. Maybe this will finally be the push we need to kill that behavior once and for all.
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Smythe posted:I'm continuously flabbergasted that there's a living, breathing contingent of stockholmed sycophants who are are so deranged from using bad software for so long that they spend their days F5ing Android Police in an attempt to post an epic Gotcha at a man for simply suggesting they use well designed software that respects them as a user. Simply incredible. At the risk of getting involved in this discussion, the quick settings in M, works a way I like. Pull down the shade, and you just get noficitations, pull it down a second time, and then you get the quick settings. You can also do two finger swipe, but focusing on the first behavior, does N work like that?
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bull3964 posted:Anyways, I would suspect that apps that use hard coded orientations to break with split screen as they are going to try to use a landscape layout on a window that is likely more portrait in orientation. Maybe this will finally be the push we need to kill that behavior once and for all. One thing I noticed is that our app looks bad when you make the window roughly square, so that's a thing that we'll need to think about in future which never really happened in the past. I image you can do the Chrome side-by-side thing on a phone because you can tell tabs to show up as separate tasks in overview? On tablet it's impossible though, and you're right, this is definitely a thing that it needs. Hopefully Chrome will be updated with proper support for this. SIR FAT JONY IVES posted:At the risk of getting involved in this discussion, the quick settings in M, works a way I like. Pull down the shade, and you just get noficitations, pull it down a second time, and then you get the quick settings. You can also do two finger swipe, but focusing on the first behavior, does N work like that?
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grimcreaper posted:Too bad for the price point, even with 25% off, the Pixel C isnt worth getting. More so when you consider how much their keyboard costs and the serious lack of features it has at that price point(big one, no backlit keyboard, for a $150.00 cost, what the hell Google?). Where the Surface Pro did things right, the Pixel C did almost all of it wrong. Flash is dead fyi.
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vyst posted:Flash is dead fyi. More like undead. Not dead enough.
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Dies the N Preview have any way to send feedback? I'm testing it for a few days and found a bug with Sharing (as in, you can't haha). Also, there's apparently a radio fix on the Nexus 6 since I'm currently in a place where I had no signal whatsoever from the time I've had the device and now I've got signal just fine.
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ThermoPhysical posted:Dies the N Preview have any way to send feedback? Marshmallow has a "Send feedback about this device" thing in About Phone, I assume it's still there in N.
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repiv posted:Marshmallow has a "Send feedback about this device" thing in About Phone, I assume it's still there in N. Got it! Thanks 
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ThermoPhysical posted:Dies the N Preview have any way to send feedback? If you got it through Android Beta there's a button in the Quick Settings for it.
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bull3964 posted:The real missing killer feature is the inability to have chrome split across two sides. You can fake it by doing chrome beta in one and chrome stable in the other, but that's not as elegant. Tunga posted:Our app uses the proper sw600dp-landscape to switch to the tablet view and when I put it in split screen it properly displays as if it is on a phone. So basically Facebook are just a bunch of idiots.
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http://m.androidcentral.com/moving-forward-what-we-can-learn-android-n-developer-preview A lot of supposition, but it seems logical. They noticed that more and more stuff is being moved into the OEM and Vendor partitions, even Google stuff. This seems to be going toward the direction of a "clean" system partition that could be standardized between all devices. This would essentially turn Android into a framework more than an OS, but it would allow Google to update Android independently of the OEM (beyond what they currently do with framework services.) In the past, several OEMs made claims about how they were looking to decouple their modifications from the underlying OS and use only standard APIs to make it easier for them to build updates. This may be the ultimate evolution of that. The underlying OS will be isolated on its own partition that Google could patch on their own schedule. So. in the future, you may have the situation where your device LOOKs like a 3 versions old install, but the core under it is fully up to date.
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bull3964 posted:http://m.androidcentral.com/moving-forward-what-we-can-learn-android-n-developer-preview Probably just turn /system into what they are doing with Google Play Services, that makes a lot of sense.
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I thought that swiping down twice or doing a two finger swipe from the notification area to access the toggles/settings gear was a pain in the rear end at times. There are other ways to access it. You can swipe down once from notification bar and then tap on the grey notification area. You can also (if you time it right) triple tap on the notification bar. The first tap lets you glance at the notification shade, the second tap holds it in place/keeps it on, the third tap is the same process as tapping on grey notification area to bring up toggles. Also there were a few toggles that seem useless, but the version of Marshmallow on this phone allows System UI Tuner, so I can remove whatever toggles I think are stupid. Doctor Butts fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Mar 10, 2016 |
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http://phandroid.com/2016/03/10/android-n-summer-release-date/ OEMs are told that the final build of N will come this summer. While on the surface that sounds soon, remember that summer doesn't end until Sept 22nd. So things may not be all that far off the schedule the past few years. Then again, Jelly Bean came out in July. Perhaps we'll see a new Nexus tablet mid summer to launch this version due to split screen being the big feature, similar to the Nexus 7 2012. bull3964 fucked around with this message at 17:57 on Mar 10, 2016 |
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I took the plunge on N on my nexus 6. I am quite pleased with how it performs so far, nothing broken and it seems my applications all work, even in windowed which is nice. It may horribly go wrong later on though...
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I can confirm my new phone's operating system does not force feed adverts down my throat so i think it will be quite a nice update.
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I'm curious as to why they're fiddling with Doze in N, given that it works simply and effectively as it is now; your phone works as usual during the day, but if you leave it alone on a table for a while it'll conserve power (because you're not using it) until you wake it again. Thus striking a neat balance between convenience (phone works) and utility (battery life). I don't want my phone to go into PANIC NO POWER mode every time I put it in my pocket, that's overkill. Being able to wake up to a still-active phone if I forget to plug in the charging cable overnight is fine enough!
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so I could say that I finally figured out what this god damned cube is doing. Get well Lowtax.
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Argyle posted:Do any of the "battery calibration" tutorials out there actually work? I realize you're not calibrating the battery itself, but the OS's measurement of battery capacity. My findings: No, it did not work. Phone still jumps from 15-20% down to 1% or turns itself off completely while showing a decent amount of juice remaining. Oh well.
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spincube posted:I don't want my phone to go into PANIC NO POWER mode every time I put it in my pocket, that's overkill. Being able to wake up to a still-active phone if I forget to plug in the charging cable overnight is fine enough! I'm going to take a wild guess that they have probably thought about this a bit and your phone will still work
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Are there any ways you can change what's on the "always on" display on the S7? I don't think I could live without the active display on my droid maxx which is why I've been considering just going with the 2014 Turbo (it still has really nice specs too) but if there's a way I can change what's on the S7 then I might go with that. Touchwiz isn't a HUGE issue since I'm going to be using Nova anyway.
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MikusR posted:Also in N from Touchwiz http://i.imgur.com/VM1vM3m.png Always play mono audio.
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Argyle posted:My findings: No, it did not work. Phone still jumps from 15-20% down to 1% or turns itself off completely while showing a decent amount of juice remaining. Oh well. I have a 2014 Moto X as well. Most of the time when the battery meter hits 15% it will kick into battery saver mode and then shut off right afterward. The batteries on the launch-day 2014 models are only 18 months old. You'd think it would take longer for battery wear to manifest, but perhaps not.
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Argyle posted:My findings: No, it did not work. Phone still jumps from 15-20% down to 1% or turns itself off completely while showing a decent amount of juice remaining. Oh well. nimper posted:I have a 2014 Moto X as well. Most of the time when the battery meter hits 15% it will kick into battery saver mode and then shut off right afterward. My 2014 Moto X was also doing the same thing. Actually it once even cut off when it said 29%. It's one of the reasons I got a new phone.
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Modaco figured out how to enable Marshmallow's adoptable storage on the S7 and S7 Edge using ADB, no root required
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BottleKnight posted:Installed the N beta on my Pixel C just for the multiwindow. Works well so far, but I've only used it for about half an hour. Works almost identically to how it works on the iPad Pro but you can scroll the divider in both directions. If the Pixel C was about $75 cheaper and an 8" size I'd have bought one to replace my N7. As is, I already have a surface, I don't need two large screen tablets. But I'm also one of the crazies who put N on my daily usage 6P, so shrug.
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Rastor posted:It's one of the reasons I got a new phone. Yep. Almost to that point for me. Very close to pulling the trigger on a 6P and getting on Fi.
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Lowen SoDium posted:Modaco figured out how to enable Marshmallow's adoptable storage on the S7 and S7 Edge using ADB, no root required This is going to be such a clusterfuck. Can't wait to see people running their $700 phones with a card that writes at a couple megs a second and wondering why poo poo is so slow or why their entire phone crashed and they lost everything.
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BeastOfExmoor posted:This is going to be such a clusterfuck. Can't wait to see people running their $700 phones with a card that writes at a couple megs a second and wondering why poo poo is so slow or why their entire phone crashed and they lost everything. Still beats the poo poo out of apps poorly supporting Move-to-SD.
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nimper posted:Yep. Almost to that point for me. Very close to pulling the trigger on a 6P and getting on Fi. Why the 6P and not the S7? Just to get on Fi?
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two_beer_bishes posted:Why the 6P and not the S7? Just to get on Fi? The S7 is twice as expensive as the 6P for not much more benefit.
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I want to make sure I understand this correctly...in-app purchases on a restricted profile are just not possible? Daughter wants to buy some in-game stuff on her restricted profile, but, of course, it says "You don't have permission to make purchases." She doesn't have a Google account, and I can't see a way to un-restrict her account, add my Google account, make the purchase and then re-restrict her profile...
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BeastOfExmoor posted:This is going to be such a clusterfuck. Can't wait to see people running their $700 phones with a card that writes at a couple megs a second and wondering why poo poo is so slow or why their entire phone crashed and they lost everything. No sympathy for someone who installed the barrel, the trigger, the safety, took off the safety, pointed it, and shot themselves in the foot on that one.
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BeastOfExmoor posted:This is going to be such a clusterfuck. Can't wait to see people running their $700 phones with a card that writes at a couple megs a second and wondering why poo poo is so slow or why their entire phone crashed and they lost everything. lol no one is actually going to do this on the s7 besides people who know it will break poo poo. None-issue, really.
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People looking to intentionally break their poo poo. Why you would want adoptable storage on a $700 phone with 32 gigs of UFS storage is beyond me.
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I've been playing with the adopted storage feature on my old Galaxy S4 and it doesn't seem nearly as awful of an idea as you guys let on. Android will supposedly warn you if your media is slower than Class 10, so you have to go out of your way to intentionally shoot yourself in the foot. It also doesn't seem to prefer moving the apps themselves (and other performance-critical stuff, I suppose) over to the card unless they specifically allow this. If you look at what it places out there, it's some app-generated data and media (photos, music, podcasts, browser downloads, etc.). It's not really putting your two filesystems together in a blender. It looks like it just makes symlinks (or something like that) for certain directories which point to your card, so your apps won't notice that they're actually placing your podcasts on different storage. I think it's actually pretty elegant if you're permanently keeping your SD card installed and/or have an encrypted device.
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Desk Lamp posted:People looking to intentionally break their poo poo. Why you would want adoptable storage on a $700 phone with 32 gigs of UFS storage is beyond me. It's frankly ridiculous that Android still CANNOT get something as simple as a SDcard right in 2016. Just what exactly is so hard about making the SDcard purely as a media storage device and leaving all the system/app files in the much faster onboard flash, instead of Google and the OEMs flip-flopping all over the place for the past few years. These jokers aren't doing any favors to their bottom line considering how unprofitable the Android handset business already is.
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azurite posted:I've been playing with the adopted storage feature on my old Galaxy S4 and it doesn't seem nearly as awful of an idea as you guys let on. Android will supposedly warn you if your media is slower than Class 10, so you have to go out of your way to intentionally shoot yourself in the foot. It also doesn't seem to prefer moving the apps themselves (and other performance-critical stuff, I suppose) over to the card unless they specifically allow this. If you look at what it places out there, it's some app-generated data and media (photos, music, podcasts, browser downloads, etc.). That's pretty much how Samsung devices handle sd cards, except you can remove the card whenever you please.
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Thermopyle posted:I want to make sure I understand this correctly...in-app purchases on a restricted profile are just not possible? I don't know anything about restricted profiles, but if the IAP is like a new feature or level the app will need the Google account to remain connected as it uses it to verify the purchase on launch.
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Drm copyright mah freedoms away, I bought what I bought 
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As 'beta' as N is right now, I'm really impressed on the Pixel C. Chrome (beta) is amazingly fast, faster than I've ever seen it on an Android device. Battery life has been really good so far as well. Other tricks the app switcher has picked up, double tap on it will bring up the last most used app. It's a great complement to split screen. It's almost like having 3 active apps. Anchor one on the left and double tap to swap between two on the right.
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