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Zonekeeper posted:Doesn't help that it's so reliant on TMs. I don't know how many times I've attempted to use one in Gen 1 only to toss it in the box around Cerulean/Vermilion (usually to make room for an Abra or Diglett). Its level up movelist sucks in early gens and it being so TM dependent means it takes a while to get a good set going. It would be serviceable if it got a STAB move that wasn't Poison Sting. Dig?
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Some Numbers posted:Dig? Forgot all about that. Yeah, a Nidoking with Dig will get you pretty drat far now that you mention it. I'm one of those item hoarders that saves those one-time things only to never use them, so I've never really used any TMs in my playthroughs until I could dupe them with Missingno. As a result it's usually late in the game before I even think about using them, and I tend to avoid TM-reliant pokemon like Nidoking and Clefable as a result. I guess Dig's a usable one since Earthquake is the better ground-type duping target. I was gonna swap out my Nidoran for a Geodude in my current Blue run, but now you have me reconsidering... It sucks that the Nidoran lines get screwed regarding Double Kick if you evolve them that early in R/B, though. Putting Double Kick at lv12 in Y was a massive improvement.
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Mar 9, 2016 20:27
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I think I used a Nidoking in a FireRed run a while back. I forgot that they don't learn Double Kick early in RB.
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Mar 9, 2016 20:31
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Remember when Charmander used to learn Metal Claw?
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Mar 9, 2016 20:34
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Nidoking cannot learn Dig in Gen I.
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Mar 9, 2016 20:38
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Okay, so Gen I Nidoking not nearly as good as Gen 3. My bad.
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Mar 9, 2016 21:31
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Y'all are (almost) all wrong and bad for not mentioning 2 of the 3 best Gen 2 pokemon: Hoppip and Corsola. Cute little pink dudes that are my friends forever. You at least mentioned Ampharos, so you didn't get 0/10.
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Mar 9, 2016 21:48
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You should never think of Poison-types in a bad light, since Nidoking is the KING of Pokemon RB speedruns. There are also cool Poison dudes like Muk, Toxicroak, Garbodor, Dragalge, Crobat... And those are just the primary Poison types! The only real issue to Poison is that its typing means it only hits two things for SE damage, but often Poison types have either the coolest designs, or a variety of moves to play around with, so I think that is rad.
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Mar 9, 2016 22:15
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Toxicroak is a beast.
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Mar 9, 2016 23:02
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Did a FireRed run of all Poison types a little while back and it owned. Venusaur, Nidoking, Tentacruel, Crobat is a solid team base, with a supporting cast of Haunter, Beedrill, Muk, Arbok and so on. Definitely more usable than the all-Bug team I'm running through LeafGreen now...
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Mar 9, 2016 23:45
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sebzilla posted:Did a FireRed run of all Poison types a little while back and it owned. How did you beat Sabrina...
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Mar 10, 2016 01:13
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Silegna posted:How did you beat Sabrina... Dark moves.
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Mar 10, 2016 01:44
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Rigged Death Trap posted:Dark moves. But Dark was Special in Gen 3! Her moves would've have wrecked you, especially her Alakazam!
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Mar 10, 2016 02:48
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I remember using a Nidoking back when I played Yellow as a kid. I was so excited to have finally beat Brock back then, since I didn't understand how to play the game and basically used Charmander all day erry day.
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Mar 10, 2016 07:05
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Silegna posted:How did you beat Sabrina... Beedrill's Twineedle Golbat's Bite
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Mar 10, 2016 13:59
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Silegna posted:How did you beat Sabrina... Potions and X Defs
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Mar 10, 2016 13:59
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Memory seems to escape me, but is it in Crystal [gold/silver] where they do the dividing of the bag for you? God, that was a pain in the rear end in Red. And then there's my favorite, Growlithe, who has the shittiest stats in Red and won't learn loving FLAMETHROWER until level 50. ಠ_ಠ. Nidoking though, he's my good guy and kills everything.
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Mar 10, 2016 17:53
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Dingwall posted:Memory seems to escape me, but is it in Crystal [gold/silver] where they do the dividing of the bag for you? God, that was a pain in the rear end in Red. Yes, but each individual pack still has the 20 item limit. To be fair, I had to grind my Competitive growlithe to almost 60 for outrage.
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Mar 10, 2016 18:10
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I'm partial to Crobat of all the Gen 2 Pokemon. I had a Golbat that was a beast throughout my blue run when I was a kid, so picking up another zubat was a no brainer. Then Golbat surprised the poo poo out of me when it evolved. It's been a mainstay in most of the Pokemon games I've played since.
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Mar 10, 2016 18:25
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Silegna posted:Yes, but each individual pack still has the 20 item limit. the worst is trying to figure out when to eventually evolve my pokemon that need a blood evolution stone. i think i can finally evolve my pikachu [god he's trash in the originals] because he knows thunderbolt now. and whenever i used squirtle or charmander, i didn't realize what a powerhouse freaking oddish was. holy cow. and i'm partial to dogs and houndour was amazing but you didn't get him until much, much later in the game ; v ;
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Mar 10, 2016 19:50
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Dingwall posted:the worst is trying to figure out when to eventually evolve my pokemon that need a blood evolution stone. i think i can finally evolve my pikachu [god he's trash in the originals] because he knows thunderbolt now. Bellsprout is surprisingly good, too. Sleep Powder is always great, Growth lets you set up, and Wrap lets you abuse terrible gen1 game design for fun and profit.
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Mar 10, 2016 19:54
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Zonekeeper posted:Bellsprout is surprisingly good, too. Sleep Powder is always great, Growth lets you set up, and Wrap lets you abuse terrible gen1 game design for fun and profit. UUUUUGH. ERIKA.  she would spam me with wrap and constrict and in the original they had unlimited move set so they could do this all the freaking time. i'm glad that they got rid of it in the future gens but holy hell replaying red made me forget how rage inducing it is. [i still love it but. drat
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Mar 10, 2016 19:58
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Remember when Charmander used to learn Metal Claw? Yes, and it makes me sad that they got rid of it, he can still learn it as an egg move but that's not the same.
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Mar 10, 2016 20:09
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Realistically, how doable is an all-poison run of RB? I'm reliving the experience in all its glory on 3DS and I can confirm that Nidorino/Nidoking is a beast. E: Thunder Wave Pikachu and Wrap Ekans make a great cheap combo. Tardigrade fucked around with this message at 20:18 on Mar 10, 2016 |
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Mar 10, 2016 20:15
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Tardigrade posted:Realistically, how doable is an all-poison run of RB? sebzilla posted:Did a FireRed run of all Poison types a little while back and it owned. This pretty much applies, the movesets are a bit crappier but the Toxic Leech Seed bug will be your best friend.
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Mar 10, 2016 20:38
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Dingwall posted:UUUUUGH. ERIKA.
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Mar 10, 2016 20:43
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Just popping back in the thread to say I'm really surprised at all the Nidoking love up in here. Awesome! He can learn a lot of solid TMs in gen 1 that make him a viable powerhouse through the main campaign. Also Surf. Anything that learns Surf is solid in gen 1. Oh yeah, he looks bad-rear end too and Giovanni has one so you know he's super cool and knows how to get poo poo done and manage an Arby's and he can probably lift up cars and... My inner 9-year-old is leaking.
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Mar 10, 2016 23:12
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It's always fun looking up the kind of Pokemon that can actually learn Surf, it's pretty crazy. Interesting candidates are Tyranitar, Weavile, Haxorus and Slurpuff, among others, including those weak to Water, such as Rampardos or Diggersby.
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i don't think i've ever not used a furret (usually named big boss) as my surf mon in gen2
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Mar 10, 2016 23:19
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Along similar lines as Rampardos. Aggron can learn surf. A pokemon with an ability that is literally "dude's heavy, yo" floats apparently. And of course, since Gen 1 you could have a surfing Rhydon, because apparently the Rock Rhino is made of Pumice.
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Mar 10, 2016 23:47
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Poison is pretty doable. While Psychic is king it has low defence. So if you get the badge boosts as well as being overly leveled you can take them out with just about any high attacking and moderate special pokemon that can out speed them. IIRc to make the game challenging before Nuzlocke became a thing was to beat the game with only Weedle.
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I binged the whole Yellow LP and just finished reading the RBY arc of Pokemon Adventures. Thanks for the suggestion, thread. I'm looking forward to seeing how this LP goes, especially what kind of team you're going for!
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Mar 11, 2016 02:29
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Let's talk about Badge boosts! I don't think I've ever noticed a difference with them!
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RareAcumen posted:Let's talk about Badge boosts! I don't think I've ever noticed a difference with them! Does any non-Gen I/Gen I remake games even have the badge increases?
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hopeandjoy posted:Does any non-Gen I/Gen I remake games even have the badge increases? are you talking about if someone traded XX lvl pokemon would listen to you? then yes, that still exists. in gen I, you're able to get better TMs from the gym leaders imo. like thunderbolt from surge and fireblast from blaine. and loving earthquake from giovanni
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Mar 11, 2016 04:01
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Dingwall posted:are you talking about if someone traded XX lvl pokemon would listen to you? then yes, that still exists. No, the badges in Gen 1, 2 and 3 actually boosted your Pokemon's stats. Different badges give different bonuses. In Gens 1 and 2, it's a 9/8 multiplier, and in Gen 3 it's a 10% boost (or 1.1 multiplier). These bonuses are applied during battle and are really broken in Gen 1. Here's the article. Here's something I've never heard before though: Bulbapedia posted:Type boost
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Mar 11, 2016 04:04
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...........oh. i had NO IDEA that the badges did that. > .>
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Mar 11, 2016 04:24
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Solumin posted:No, the badges in Gen 1, 2 and 3 actually boosted your Pokemon's stats. Different badges give different bonuses. In Gens 1 and 2, it's a 9/8 multiplier, and in Gen 3 it's a 10% boost (or 1.1 multiplier). These bonuses are applied during battle and are really broken in Gen 1. Here's the article. Poor Dark Types.
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Mar 11, 2016 04:26
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No name for your Hoo-thoot? Shame. Call him Hootler. Also, Chompy for Ratata.
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I asked because I- fairly sure I'm right here- remember that starting at the second gym at the latest, when you beat a Leader they give you a badge and tell you about it improving the stat of all of your Pokemon in some way but since they only mention it right after you beat them there's no real way to check.
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