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Hey guys do you think warham high elves are friendly but aloof when it comes to humans or do they basically think of them as uncultured swine to use as a shield? I know that five straight pages of totally unsourced opinions on this matter might sound unreasonable, but I think we can do it!
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Chomp8645 posted:Hey guys do you think warham high elves are friendly but aloof when it comes to humans or do they basically think of them as uncultured swine to use as a shield? I know that five straight pages of totally unsourced opinions on this matter might sound unreasonable, but I think we can do it! I hear the Phoenix King wants to build a wall and make the Bretonnians pay for it!
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Mar 10, 2016 23:53
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Make Ulthuan great again.
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Mar 10, 2016 23:59
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Relin posted:I'm trying to draw attention to a Warham game that's actually good and out That'd be Battlefleet Gothic, and there's a few goons streaming the beta right now at the end of the thread if you want to see if powersliding space cruisers around and ramming the poo poo out of cathedral spaceships is for you (yes it is).
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Mar 10, 2016 23:59
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Chomp8645 posted:Hey guys do you think warham high elves are friendly but aloof when it comes to humans or do they basically think of them as uncultured swine to use as a shield? I know that five straight pages of totally unsourced opinions on this matter might sound unreasonable, but I think we can do it! do you think elves lay eggs haha? do you think maybe someone drew images of elves pooping elf eggs haha? if you have them you can post them, just for fun lol haha
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Mar 11, 2016 00:07
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Countdown! Four more days (GMT) till we can all be mad again at what isn't included.
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Mar 11, 2016 00:54
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Mans posted:do you think elves lay eggs haha? lol i got an ironic boner hahahaha
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Mar 11, 2016 02:39
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I cant wait for the AoS expansion that deletes all the fun armies you paid for in DLC.
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Mar 11, 2016 03:25
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So how do vampires work in WHFB? Do they bite people on the neck to make other vampires or is it a magic related thing? Can they go in the sun? Do they fight with chaos and orks frequently or are they mostly antagonists to the Empire? Can they turn into bats and poo poo?
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Mar 11, 2016 04:05
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Sharzak posted:So how do vampires work in WHFB? Do they bite people on the neck to make other vampires or is it a magic related thing? Can they go in the sun? Do they fight with chaos and orks frequently or are they mostly antagonists to the Empire? Can they turn into bats and poo poo? Yes Basically, take all vampire lore out there, throw it in a blender, then x100.
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Mar 11, 2016 04:54
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Okay so is the conversion blood or magic tho
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Mar 11, 2016 05:11
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It's not werewolf rules where just biting someone turns them into a vampire but I don't think it's just a potion either. It's a process, and making more vampires makes your own lineage weaker like the Masquerade.
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Mar 11, 2016 05:26
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Sharzak posted:Okay so is the conversion blood or magic tho Yes.
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Mar 11, 2016 05:32
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Warhammer vampires were created with a version of Nagash's (the first necromancer) elixir of immortality. Neferata figured it out, and the original vampires were created with her and Arkhan's work. All the others get fed a vampire's blood, and the vampire bloodlines are all different genres of vampires. Neferata's Lahmians are the sexy vampires, the Von Carnsteins (Vlad is probably her husband wiegieman fucked around with this message at 08:01 on Mar 11, 2016 |
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Mar 11, 2016 05:40
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Sharzak posted:So how do vampires work in WHFB? Do they bite people on the neck to make other vampires or is it a magic related thing? Can they go in the sun? Do they fight with chaos and orks frequently or are they mostly antagonists to the Empire? Can they turn into bats and poo poo? In addition to what others said, vampires originally could go out in the sun and be just fine, but there was a battle against the race that would become the tomb kings and Nagash that changed all that. Nagash, being the first necromancer and responsible for the vampires existing at all, decided that the vampires should be his generals. Instead of enslaving them and controlling them directly like other undead, he instead gave Vashanesh, the husband of Neferata, a ring that gave him control over the other vampires and also prevented him from dying. The vampires had the pre-tomb king dudes pretty much beaten, but realized that if they won Nagash would turn the whole world into undead and it would be a bad time, so Vashanesh removed his ring while in one on one combat with the tomb king leader (I think that was Lamashizzar, but it might have been one of his kids or grandkids) and was killed. When that happened, the vampires were able to rebel from Nagash's army and they all fled. When this happaened, Nagash cursed them to be weak to the sun. Then later the same kind of thing happened when Nagash tried to fight Sigmar, and the curse that time was that vampires are weak to Sigmar's followers. If you decide you really care about vampires in WHFB, you should track down Liber Necris (https://www.amazon.com/dp/1844163385, but don't buy it at the crazy prices it goes for there). It's a pretty neat little book detailing vampire biology and history, written from the perspective of the main vampire in Total Warhammer. drgnvale fucked around with this message at 07:20 on Mar 11, 2016 |
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Mar 11, 2016 07:18
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Relin posted:idgi Hes supremely broken and nearly unkillable by level 5 with the right gear. Worst case scenario you can waltz around and pop the scarabs and lead the entire enemy swarm around like the pied piper of hamelin as your team whittle them down.
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Mar 11, 2016 08:05
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Sharkopath posted:Hes supremely broken and nearly unkillable by level 5 with the right gear. Yeah but he doesn't get rocket run so he's inferior to the IG guy. e: also my username is relevant wrt the Huan talk.
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Mar 11, 2016 09:37
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Sorry if this has already been posted, but if you're in Bongland: GMG's UK site lowered their price to match steam, so combined with the usual 20% discount I was able to pick up the game for 32 pounds. Afaik that's the best deal available to Brits at the moment, aside from VPN shenanigans.
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Mar 11, 2016 14:17
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Vampire Stream confirmed for March 15th, not that anyone doubted it at this point.
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Mar 11, 2016 16:42
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Also, an early hands on preview with Vampires http://mytechnews.net/hands-on-preview-total-war-warhammer/ I'd expect what he describes to be basically the same video we get on Tuesday, as that has been the pattern so far. Edit: Quoting because it appears this is a leak with a high chance of getting taken down. quote:
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Mar 11, 2016 19:38
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This may have been addressed, but I feel like the fear mechanic of the VC will be very powerful. Total War has always been about chain routing the enemy so I wonder how it'll play out.
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Mar 11, 2016 20:09
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Fresh Shesh Besh posted:This may have been addressed, but I feel like the fear mechanic of the VC will be very powerful. Total War has always been about chain routing the enemy so I wonder how it'll play out. Perhaps its a way to balance their poo poo tier infantry and the fact that if the head Vamp dies the whole army collapses. Seems like the counts will be a glass cannon army.
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Mar 11, 2016 20:14
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Yeah, if VC is this this game are faithful to the tabletop and other adaptations then they will need that fear and strong leaders/monsters because their line troops should be expected to lose most engagements and are generally of poor quality.
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Mar 11, 2016 20:25
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I'm interested in seeing if they can reliably field more than a full stack via summoning.
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Mar 11, 2016 20:28
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Mannfred is not an EPIC VAMPIRE DUDE, he is vampire starscream.
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Mar 11, 2016 20:33
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Klaus88 posted:Mannfred is not an EPIC VAMPIRE DUDE, he is vampire starscream. Manfred is totally EPIC VAMPIRE DUDE, according to Manfred. I still wish they'd included Konrad 
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Mar 11, 2016 22:08
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Rygar201 posted:Manfred is totally EPIC VAMPIRE DUDE, according to Manfred. They've only announced one Legendary Lord, right? Vlad and Konrad would make for a good generalist, melee, caster setup. Who cares about being dead? So is Azhag.
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Mar 11, 2016 22:15
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Arcsquad12 posted:Perhaps its a way to balance their poo poo tier infantry and the fact that if the head Vamp dies the whole army collapses. Seems like the counts will be a glass cannon army. I kind of doubt they'll keep that as-is. Maybe a bigger-than-normal negative if they general dies, like a debuff of some kind beyond just losing the bonuses and lovely morale, but having your entire army explode (except for ghouls) if your general dies would be a pretty poo poo mechanic. Fear/Terror could easily just be mechanics which reduce the stats of the enemy and maybe damage their morale a bit. Having the RNG spontaneously cause your units to immediately route when faced with a unit that causes Fear or Terror would be similarly awful mechanics. Basically these are tabletop rules that would be dogshit in the extreme if copy/pasted over. A good analogy is the magic rules from tabletop. They're stupid garbage for video games, so naturally CA did something different. They aren't beholden to tabletop rules. Lassitude fucked around with this message at 22:25 on Mar 11, 2016 |
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Mar 11, 2016 22:23
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Lassitude posted:Fear/Terror could easily just be mechanics which reduce the stats of the enemy and maybe damage their morale a bit. Having the RNG spontaneously cause your units to immediately route when faced with a unit that causes Fear or Terror would be similarly awful mechanics. TW games have had mechanics for fear causing units (Like, literally "This unit passively causes fear/reduces morale of nearby enemy units. Units with fear are immune to the fear effect of other fear causing units".) in place for over a decade, they don't have to even make an effort to port that rule over. Fear causing units are helpful but they aren't going to win the battle for you on their own, especially if your front line is weaker to start with.
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Mar 11, 2016 22:44
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madmac posted:TW games have had mechanics for fear causing units (Like, literally "This unit passively causes fear/reduces morale of nearby enemy units. Units with fear are immune to the fear effect of other fear causing units".) in place for over a decade, they don't have to even make an effort to port that rule over. Fear causing units are helpful but they aren't going to win the battle for you on their own, especially if your front line is weaker to start with. Except that the fear causing ability was usually a rarity. If the majority of undead units cause some level of fear, and if that stacks, you could easily get into a situation where you can snowball routing without even engaging, which would be pretty neat.
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Mar 11, 2016 23:04
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madmac posted:Fear causing units are helpful but they aren't going to win the battle for you on their own, especially if your front line is weaker to start with. Spoken like a man who has never faced a Suebi rush. And I don't think losing the general should make the army die since general sniping isn't that difficult when you have a lot of arty, and Dwarves and Empire will have a lot of arty.
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Mar 11, 2016 23:24
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But right there, units suffering fear are immune to other fear causing units. Seems like VCs are going to be predatory with a main army of harryhausen models with some varghul waiting in the flanks to go oogie boogie boogie and scare the enemy into a rout while they're distracted with the zombies.
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Mar 11, 2016 23:24
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Triskelli posted:But right there, units suffering fear are immune to other fear causing units. Seems like VCs are going to be predatory with a main army of harryhausen models with some varghul waiting in the flanks to go oogie boogie boogie and scare the enemy into a rout while they're distracted with the zombies. They are immune to fear of the same type, so probably a Fear:Undead. Someone with Fear:Holy could possibly scare skeletons, and vice versa. However, most undead are probably going to have an additional immunity to fear. Except for Manfred, he will be afraid of everything, should be funny watching your hero break and retreat at the slightest sign of danger.
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Mar 11, 2016 23:29
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MadJackMcJack posted:Spoken like a man who has never faced a Suebi rush. That's not gonna work when generals have as much HP as a unit or two
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Mar 11, 2016 23:33
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Uh it's not paranoia if everyone's actually out to get you? Discretion is the better part of valor? I'll get you next time Gadget? 
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Mar 11, 2016 23:36
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MadJackMcJack posted:Spoken like a man who has never faced a Suebi rush. I don't think sniping generals with artillery is going to be all that effective when your target is a single dude with 100+ armor and 5000 HPs. Which is probably for the best, actually. Losing battles because of bullshit instant general deaths has never been a selling point for the series.
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Mar 11, 2016 23:42
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madmac posted:I don't think sniping generals with artillery is going to be all that effective when your target is a single dude with 100+ armor and 5000 HPs. Didn't Vlad get his head knocked off by a cannon at least once when he was trying to become emperor?
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Mar 11, 2016 23:46
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drgnvale posted:Didn't Vlad get his head knocked off by a cannon at least once when he was trying to become emperor? Yes, also the grandmaster of the White Wolf order tore his head off with a cavalry hammer like a polo player. Luckily for him, he had a certain bullshit ring and got better.
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Mar 11, 2016 23:54
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Angry Lobster posted:Yes, also the grandmaster of the White Wolf order tore his head off with a cavalry hammer like a polo player. Luckily for him, he had a certain bullshit ring and got better. Then he made that grand master a vampire. Now that's style, baby. 
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I think the bottom line here is that Vlad Von Carstein was a pretty cool vampire and it's a pity we have to play as his nerdy kid.
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