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Firebert posted:e: the solution is as easy as 'glitterlance does reduced damage to minions' but they are too stupid to do it
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Servaetes posted:Totally fair, I haven't seen pro league in the past three or so weeks. Shiv just seems odd on him given the whole perk is waveclear? I swore shiv did pretty low damage to champs. Shiv damage can crit and is pretty good since they buffed it a patch or two ago. To compare, Shiv is 50-120 compared to Firecannon's 50-160. With IE + Shiv your bonus damage from the Shiv will crit 40% of the time for 125-300 damage to champions. With any decent amount of crit it seems like Shiv's expected damage output to champions is actually higher now.
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Xyretire posted:With IE + Shiv your bonus damage from the Shiv will crit 40% of the time 50
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Shiv also seems really good on Jhin because it sets up his canister for quick wave clear.
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Mar 11, 2016 20:23
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Oops, but yeah that actually just pushes the Shiv's expected damage higher than the Firecannon's more than before.
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Yeah and another thing to realize is that rfc's bonus range is percentage based on your attack range, meaning that lower range ad carries get less out of it
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Mar 11, 2016 20:26
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Servaetes posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0-pxxx6qOw PICK A DIMENSION, BARD, YOU'RE CONFUSING THEM
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henkman posted:Yeah and another thing to realize is that rfc's bonus range is percentage based on your attack range, meaning that lower range ad carries get less out of it This only barely affects Graves, Urgot and low level mini-Gnar for ranged auto attackers. Everyone else with a ranged AA has at least 430 range to get the maximum +150 range bonus. Graves and Urgot are sitting at 425 range and get +148.75 bonus range from the proc.
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Mar 11, 2016 20:36
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Mar 11, 2016 20:40
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This is how I feel about league right now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45lB-fyB87Y
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Mar 11, 2016 20:53
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im in a promo series for i think silver IV got here after about a week of barding already won one, time to try to carry my teams kicking and screaming to victory from support
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Mar 11, 2016 21:03
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Sperglord Firecock posted:im in a promo series for i think silver IV godspeed bard main
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Killed By Death posted:Jhin has been picked 10 times in competitive. 6 of those games were by Rekkles, who goes Shiv 2nd every game. Pray, S1mLz, Sneaky and Ssol each played 1 game each of Jhin. Pray/S1mLz went Shiv 2nd, Ssol and Sneaky went RFC. I thought people hate Lulu because she is literally unkillable
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Servaetes posted:Totally fair, I haven't seen pro league in the past three or so weeks. Shiv just seems odd on him given the whole perk is waveclear? I swore shiv did pretty low damage to champs. Shiv isn't only the "wave clear" item. I feel like that's a common misconception since the item has been introduced. It's good on many ADCs who already have excellent wave clear. It gives you an up-front first shot burst that is solid, that damage is magic so it creates problems for people who don't have mixed defensive itemization, and that damage can crit which can really surprise people on openers. It's competitive with all of the other choices, and the extra help with wave clear is a nice bonus on top of that other really good stuff, not the primary driver for buying it.
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Servaetes posted:Which of the zeal line gives the most movespeed? I ask because RFC seems to be the premier thing for Jhin but if it's been hit again I'd imagine PD would be the next best thing ghostblade
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Did the Jarvan and Vi buffs actually do anything to make them good again? I've taken a break during the reign of boring tanky right click junglers (ie Udyr, Shyv, and Voli being like 40% of all junglers played and all having gross winrates) and I'm hoping something finally breaks it. E: Aurelion Sol is the sassiest mofo ever and I love it. Magres fucked around with this message at 22:17 on Mar 11, 2016 |
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Mar 11, 2016 22:13
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speaking of gays here's a quote from one of my favourite books on the hiv/aids epidemic
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Thanks for the posts on adc items all. Super helpful and informative stuff which has been super clear. I'm go ogling about at the new masteries, christ this game has changed.
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Mar 11, 2016 23:08
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i would love to figure out how i am supposed to jhin efficiently
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Mar 11, 2016 23:28
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Sperglord Firecock posted:i would love to figure out how i am supposed to jhin efficiently Hope the enemy assassins never notice that you actually exist and keep your support shackled within a 5 teemo distance at all time.
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Mar 11, 2016 23:40
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Sperglord Firecock posted:i would love to figure out how i am supposed to jhin efficiently Stay back far as gently caress, pick with your ult, use your w to let your team follow up. If you get into the range of the real fight. , play carefully. You can also watch the ROX vs SBE game for really good next level jhin poo poo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoOxwPmIjKM&t=6m12s
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Flipswitch posted:Thanks for the posts on adc items all. Super helpful and informative stuff which has been super clear. I'm go ogling about at the new masteries, christ this game has changed. Imo, ADC masteries are basically: -Fervor is good to great on everyone, even better if you're getting a Hurricane, and stupid good on Kog. -Deathfire whatever is good on Jhin and nobody else. -Thunderlord's is a lane dominator mastery -The one that makes you run fast after doing 30% damage or whatever is possibly good? Nobody's picking it though I think -Some people have experimented with tank masteries on Graves for example with Strength of Ages. 300 HP (and more from the tree) is a solid chunk of beef for a role that buys minimal defenses and is prone to getting popped. Could be interesting but sounds niche as gently caress. -The new lifesteal on low hp one sounds okay or something?
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BigLeafyTree posted:-Some people have experimented with tank masteries on Graves for example with Strength of Ages. 300 HP (and more from the tree) is a solid chunk of beef for a role that buys minimal defenses and is prone to getting popped. Could be interesting but sounds niche as gently caress. Jungle Graves, presumably? SoA seems to be the new default for nearly every jungler, except for sustained attackers who want Fervor or the few burst assassins that still want Thunderlord's. John Murdoch fucked around with this message at 00:17 on Mar 12, 2016 |
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Can someone explain to me why Deathfire is Jhin's go-to? I'm sure there's a good reason I just don't know enough about either to get it.
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The Crusher posted:Can someone explain to me why Deathfire is Jhin's go-to? I'm sure there's a good reason I just don't know enough about either to get it. Deathfire damage scales off AD and Jihn gets crazy amounts of AD from his scaling.
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John Murdoch posted:Jungle Graves, presumably? SoA seems to be the new default for nearly every jungler, except for sustained attackers who want Fervor or the few burst assassins that still want Thunderlord's. Nah it was lane Graves. http://youtu.be/6TtBigMAY1U
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The Crusher posted:Can someone explain to me why Deathfire is Jhin's go-to? I'm sure there's a good reason I just don't know enough about either to get it. They made it so his W and his ult, despite hitting multiple minions, count as single target on champions (since they can only hit one). That makes the deathfire burn more powerful on them.
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BigLeafyTree posted:Your lifesteal options are a choice of BoRK, Bloodthirster, and Mercurial. Bloodthirster is the best for banging it out toe-to-toe since it offers the most lifesteal and the shield. BoRK is anti-tank, and the active is pretty good for fighting bruisers (or anyone, but especially bruisers). Mercurial is legit as hell now, combining the speed boost with cleanse with lifesteal and some damage. They also offer different spreads of stats so make an informed decision. It's fine to sit on a Vamp Scepter for a while if you have higher priorities too. I really like Deaths Dance on MF. IE+ER+Deaths Dance = max CDR, and you get physical damage vamp so you heal from R's and Q's. The burst damage reduction also helps against assassins, allowing you time to get your murder on, and other squishes really underestimate how much extra damage you can poop out in those extra seconds as MF. Don't know if it would seem so good on ADC's who don't want CDR or stack AD over AS.
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Tyty posted:They made it so his W and his ult, despite hitting multiple minions, count as single target on champions (since they can only hit one). That makes the deathfire burn more powerful on them. He also gets at least a full second of burn out of each auto attack, even if he's AA'ing the same champion over and over. So at least an extra 15% bonus AD scaling per auto on enemy champions.
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Xyretire posted:He also gets at least a full second of burn out of each auto attack, even if he's AA'ing the same champion over and over. So at least an extra 15% bonus AD scaling per auto on enemy champions.
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TheAnomaly posted:I really like Deaths Dance on MF. IE+ER+Deaths Dance = max CDR, and you get physical damage vamp so you heal from R's and Q's. The burst damage reduction also helps against assassins, allowing you time to get your murder on, and other squishes really underestimate how much extra damage you can poop out in those extra seconds as MF. Don't know if it would seem so good on ADC's who don't want CDR or stack AD over AS. would that build work on lucian then?
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Someone tell me that Liandry's is bad on bard and why because I really like it if you get ahead and need to add some punch to your stuff + they have tanks
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Killed By Death posted:DFT does not trigger from autos. Huh. I could have sworn it did but I'm reading it again and it doesn't. And looking at the patch history it doesn't look like it ever did. I guess it's still good on Jhin because there's not really anything else that has better synergy with his kit?
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He liked thunderlords before they nerfed precision. I'd imagine that'd still work on him, but the offense tree is better for him now. Due to his lack of attack speed fervor isn't very good on him. Warlords is probably workable, but from his kit you want the damage more than sustain.
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Jhin liked a mastery that got nerfed half a month before he was released? Riot playtester spotted.
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Darth Windu posted:Someone tell me that Liandry's is bad on bard and why because I really like it if you get ahead and need to add some punch to your stuff + they have tanks Because making a support do more damage to tanks is worse than using CC more often, or moving faster, or having an aura, or pushing waves
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BigLeafyTree posted:Nah it was lane Graves. Oh, interesting. I suppose it mostly plays to Graves' weird pseudo-fighter role (and him not needing the extra damage so much) and basically nobody else. Though I'm bad at math and just kinda assumed that SoA was too slow to stack to really be worth it in lane.
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kingcobweb posted:Because making a support do more damage to tanks is worse than using CC more often, or moving faster, or having an aura, or pushing waves What's a good item to do more damage as bard
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